Well said. I really dug the last cartoon movie, but I guess you're right. Better to be late to the party than never show up at all in this case.Dangit2019 said:
Why Can't Bay Leave Enough Alone!
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I give him props for Transformers one. Jazz should have been kept in, and they could have figured out a way to have Megatron be a weapon and soundwave to be a sound system. That movie did NOT need Meagan Fox (eye candy). Many of the robots during the fight scenes were hard to see - they all looked like black, jagged robots leaping around.HardkorSB said:
Loved Bad Boys 1, 2nd movie was fine. The Rock was a good flick. Didn't see Armageddon, The Island or Pearl Harbor. Saw Transformers 2 and 3. Part 2 was frustrating, part 3 was ok. I think if he were to direct TMNT it would be a disaster, but thank goodness he's not.
Bad Boys 1 and Transformers 1, and The Rock were the best Bay movies that I've seen so far...
Just found out? I've dug the grave for my memories of that beloved franchise months ago.gamernerdtg2 said:
Did you know that Megan Fox is going to play April O'Neal?
There you go.
You are now more frustrated!
If they work this in somewhere I'm 100% behind it. All those 80s cartoons were basically just 20 minute commercials anyway, I really don't see any issue with them being turned into two hour commercials.
I do not have the proper words to articulate this, but I've notice that, specificly in nerd culture, that when something like Bay's transformers or the Star Wars prequels come out, there persists this feeling that their existence invalidates what came before. I hate all of Michael Bays movies, but that does not stop me form loving the things they are inspired by. I fully admit that I have gotten hot blooded when discussing these movies with my friends, especially the ones who like thoses movies, but I'm at a point where I just don't know why people get genially upset by news like this. Like, the idea that He-Man might get made by a people historically know for dumbass action movies does not drive me to genuine anger. I find it annoying, but I doesn't piss me off. I guess we all have our own personal lines in the sand, yea?gamernerdtg2 said:
I get mad that Marvel comics thinks that making a movie staring the Black Panther is "Difficult" but making a move about the "Guardians of the Galaxy", a team which has a tree and a raccoon, BOTH OF WHICH TALK, is somehow something they can make before 2015 rolls around. Again, lines in the sand.
/end rambling
The answer is quite simple:
It's all part of Hollywood's strategy to target the demographic that has the most disposable income while putting in minimal effort. They did it in the 80's and 90's with the Baby Boomers and Gen X-ers, now they're targeting us Gen Y-ers/Millennials/Screen-agers.
It's all part of Hollywood's strategy to target the demographic that has the most disposable income while putting in minimal effort. They did it in the 80's and 90's with the Baby Boomers and Gen X-ers, now they're targeting us Gen Y-ers/Millennials/Screen-agers.
It's one thing to reboot something, it's another to re-imagine it just for the sake of standing out and be flashy. That's just outright disrespectful to the source material, regardless of what that source material might be. From everything I've heard of the new TMNT, that's exactly what it is; they aren't even mutants anymore. Technically speaking, this isn't even TMNT anymore. There really isn't a point to ride that franchise except for the fact that Hollywood is scared shitless to make anything that doesn't have a familiar name behind it.
Weird I just read an article about this yesterday.
http://www.comicvine.com/news/why-i-disagree-with-the-massive-outcry-over-ninja-turtles/146101/
And I agree the hatred have been overly hyped, leave some for the release.
And I will be biding my time with this one, it can still be salvaged.
Not that I carry any delusions, this is a comicbook movie and they rarely turn out good.
Generally I don't get why anybody can hate something they have no definitive knowledge about.
http://www.comicvine.com/news/why-i-disagree-with-the-massive-outcry-over-ninja-turtles/146101/
And I agree the hatred have been overly hyped, leave some for the release.
And I will be biding my time with this one, it can still be salvaged.
Not that I carry any delusions, this is a comicbook movie and they rarely turn out good.
Generally I don't get why anybody can hate something they have no definitive knowledge about.
Sure you could, I mean with enough skill and effort you can probably make a good movie out of almost anything, I've even seen ways 50 Shades of Grey could be turned into am good film. However my point is, if one's goal was to make a good film then they wouldn't start with TMNT. Any film made of TMNT will be a cash grab first and foremost.Vault101 said:
the original comic and film I feel are a more "true" representation of the turtlesSexy Devil said:
I dont get why people get upset that their childhood cartoons are being given the bay treatment...seriously its nostalga fluff...nothing more
Ha I was going to mention that article aswell.Spacefrog said:
Well The Last Airbender had a similar treatment, once it was announce that the live action film of that series was going to be directed by M. Night Shyamalan, the fans became an angry mob.
Sure I try to be supported toward that live film (for one thing I disagree with the while white washing crap since do any of the fans knows know and young Inupiat actor/ actress to played Katara and Sokka?) but in the end the fans were right all along!
Wheather or not Ninja Turtle will be a success or not, either way I will not be defending/ supporting that film at all.
I thought this was fairly old news that Bay was involved in TMNT. Also I'm with the other people asking why Michael Bay is hated so much, sure some movies are bad but pretty much every director has crap movies. Slightly off topic but it was annoying when people complained about a lack of a proper story in the Transformer movies as if they went in expecting something like a Shakespearian story. It is a movie about 40 foot robots blowing shit up, people need to see movies for what they are not what they think they should be.gamernerdtg2 said:
Back on topic, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but apparently the TMNTs are aliens :/
Well, the 80's transformers cartoons started off fairly grounded with political intrigue and whatnot, but it turned into 20 minute comercials as someone pointed out here. I mean, Megatron working with human government to go against the Autobots is pretty cool. The movie touched on that a bit, but my small gripes have already been articulated.SSJBlastoise said:
Personally i disagree there has been a good spiderman or batman film. Think close as we got was above average ones, one of which was given undue credit because the death of an actor. Good for a live action film based on comic chars, perhaps, but good? I dont really see it.Vault101 said:
I'm gonna leap-frog you on that and say the 1990 film was absolutely fantastic. An underappreciated gem (in the critical sense, I don't remember how it sold, but everyone I know has seen it). It suffers from a few attempts a kid-pandering (cheesy comedy music, a few bad jokes, skateboards, the turtles have colored masks), but I don't think the cons weigh much against the pros:Vault101 said:
- story and characters are solid; interesting exploration of family dynamics, totally appropriate for the material and the intended audience (this movie's Shredder is often accused of ripping off Darth Vader, for understandable reasons, but I argue that it was intentional juxtaposition by way of homage: when Vader says "I am your father", he means it, when Shredder says it in the same tone, it's disingenuous and manipulative)
- well paced and structured without relying on the standard "hero's journey" which often gets slapped onto comic adaptations
- gorgeously shot (those can't be called lense flares coming off of Shredder's helmet, but they're something better; every shot in the climactic roof scene makes my eyes cum glitter)
- really well acted (especially for that type of film made at that time, but in general as well)
- (mostly) believable, effective, dramatically significant fight scenes
- consistent, involving, and serious tone (only offput at times by previously mentioned kid-pandering) that doesn't drudge into shallow "dark'n'gritty"
- most people don't know it was actually independently funded and fairly low-budget; more characteristic of passion projects than cash grabs
- often hilarious:
Because the franchise has become nothing but a lucrative a toy market now, and is generally accepted in that light, I don't expect much from any new iteration, regardless of who's directing.
nb4 = I know it was a lucrative toy market before the 1990 film as well, and I think it's why many people have trouble taking it seriously at all (really, check out Ebert's dismally dismissive and biased review, and normally I like the guy), but the filmmakers on this one actually seemed to have an interest in the source material, as well as just making a good movie.
I actually agre..it was dark, gritty 80's and it worked.As I said before Its actually the only connection I ever had with the franchise...so when people talk about the cartoon I dont really care..my version of the turtles is darker and more grounded...people act as though you cant make a good movie from it because its a cheesy 80's toy linePhuctifyno said:
you can make a good movie from anything if you respect the scource material and put in some effort