Why Creationism Supports Evolution.
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But even that theory is full of crap because Africa had been isolated for centuries and the people living there didn't become their own species. Hell, sometimes we still discover tribes in the Amazon and they arn't off shoots of the human species. Your argument really only serves to encourage racism and is kind of offensive.NDWolfwood5268 said:
Creationism is so badly flawed you don't even need to argue against it. The entire bible was written to be more of a moral guide than anything. The people who wrote it had a completely different understanding of the world back then. Hell, they thought the sky was water. People who take it literally are all kinds of retarded.
Evolution is largely based around the simple concept of natural selection. Species with usefull traits prosper, one without usefull traits die out. Simple and true
Evolution is largely based around the simple concept of natural selection. Species with usefull traits prosper, one without usefull traits die out. Simple and true
Whether they are beneficial, neutral , or negative, my argument is that differences EXIST. The creationists I talked to think that we were created relatively as-is whatever-the-time-ago was. By their ideas, these 'adaptations' shouldn't exist. The theory of evolution says that minor genetic anomalies are able to occur. This means that ethnicities can develop different looks.scobie said:
As for beneficial adaptations, I'm gonna go back to the 'black vs white' bit, NOT IN A RACIST SENSE (great how I feel I must qualify it). I had this conversation with my black coworker, racism is traced via genetics. In equatorial nations, having darker skin protected you against skin cancer. It does, however, reduce sun intake which is supposed to help develop vitamin c. Up north, the light skinned europeans have less protection so that they can get more sun and more vitamin c, but at the risk of more skin cancer options.
That means, having a light-skinned child in Africa was less wanted then a dark skinned and vice-versa in Europe. Racism stems from the idea of healthy children in each region.
But this isn't ABOUT racism, I use the above to prove a point. Adaptations, while EXTREMELY minor, did occur at some level. This supports evolution to me.
(Also, I never said my skin color or faith, so please, people reading, do not assume.)
Again you miss my point. If you find this offensive, that is due to your background with dealing with race, I mean no offense.bue519 said:
My point: MINOR DIFFERENCES exist. Creationism doesn't account for this. I made this just for a light social debate, so don't think I'm trying to encourage racism or anything.
ZOMG AFRICANS ARE SUBHUMANS?!
No.
No, you pointed out that with enough time that groups of humans would become a different species altogether. When scientifically and historically that has been shown that this is not the case. And while you might not be actively encouraging racism good intentions are some of the most dangerous things of all.NDWolfwood5268 said:
Ah nice! I've tried to explain this possible viewpoint before to friends, but never have been successful. This is a good explanation of that, and either I'm just bad at explaining, or it was the beer we were consuming that made it hard to understand.ThreeWords said:
Well, I get you, but I must enforce that notion. If societies remained independent, we WOULD have sub-species of humanity. Evolution happens incredibly slowly. I propose that minor things like facial structure and skin color are NOT evolutionary differences, but they hint towards the possibility. For TRUE evolutionary differences to occur, we would have to be as separated as ye olde medieval times for the next few millennia at LEAST.bue519 said:
Science has not show that this is not the case, as you stated. As I see it, science has show this IS the case. We just haven't allowed it. But that's a bit irrelevant.
Don't worry man, if people say you're being racist than there the problem. I understand where your coming from completely. And I came around to these facts myself. People are different skin tones because of the environment. Thats why black people don't get sunburned because their skin evolved so they could survive easier to the hot climate their ancestors originated from. ( Even though technically everyone originated from Africa)NDWolfwood5268 said:
i've hured that one before, and i still think that you've contradicted your own argument by pointing out the different races in people. If creationism is to be believed that adam and eve were the start of humanity, evolution to other races is impossible, due to the lack of inherent recessive gene from the past ancestors of the race involved.
I am also inclined to point out that creationism in no way supports the theory of evolution, because evolution would suggest that a natural occurrence is out of the hands of a higher being or "god". Both theory's directly oppose each other, both in terms of ideology and design.
Yours is a better argument that most though, although it's impossible to start a thread on creationism without sparking a response like this. Its a bit of a shame really... but there's my input
I am also inclined to point out that creationism in no way supports the theory of evolution, because evolution would suggest that a natural occurrence is out of the hands of a higher being or "god". Both theory's directly oppose each other, both in terms of ideology and design.
Yours is a better argument that most though, although it's impossible to start a thread on creationism without sparking a response like this. Its a bit of a shame really... but there's my input
