Why do current RPGs not have scythes?
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It probably has a lot to do with how a scythe needs to be used a certain way. And maybe that the 'certain way' in question makes it horrible in combat.
However, there were apparently scythes made for combat. They're probably not anything like what you want, though.
However, there were apparently scythes made for combat. They're probably not anything like what you want, though.
I don't see why scythes are being written off as 'lol, useless' by most people. I mean, the scythes in RPG's used to follow these kinds of standards:
-They are wielded by either non-combat heavy characters and used in coordination with magic or as a sort of 'crowd control' item in which they can strike multiple enemies 'surrounding' the wielder
-They are USUALLY not the regular kinds of farming scythes people are not used to, they either have a movement functionality (Like having a saw on it in the .hack//G.U. series), massively oversized (Agarest War and others) and again, would have some 'magical' element to it
-In terms of how one uses a scythe effectively in an RPG, the most common excuse is that the user has quick reflexes and a good deal of strength to 'flip' the scythe on a dime, let's say they were doing an air combo in some action combat RPG, the swing the scythe upward and then upon ending that swing, they let go of the scythe, twist it around and swing the blade back down to cut up an enemy
-ANOTHER way to effectively use the scythe is to attach a 'ball bearing' type handle that's in the side of the scythe's pole, thus allowing the user to 'spin' the scythe on this 'rolling' handle and either protect himself/herself from non-projective attacks and enemies charging harming them
And so on. So so so so many people seem to be COMPLETELY ignoring the concept of FANTASY when discussing scythes as weapons. When discussing ROLE PLAYING GAMES that usually have an element of sci-fi or fantasy in them, ASSUME IMPOSSIBLE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
My thoughts? I'd like to see the scythe a little more properly acknowledged as a weapon 'alternative', maybe in future Dragon Quest games? You know, the 'class switching' heavy titles like the recent iteration DQIX. Maybe Sages or... Um... Okay, maybe the DQ series isn't the best to suggest using scythes in but you get the idea. People just writing off scythes as a 'tool' in this thread are clearly not thinking outside the box.
-They are wielded by either non-combat heavy characters and used in coordination with magic or as a sort of 'crowd control' item in which they can strike multiple enemies 'surrounding' the wielder
-They are USUALLY not the regular kinds of farming scythes people are not used to, they either have a movement functionality (Like having a saw on it in the .hack//G.U. series), massively oversized (Agarest War and others) and again, would have some 'magical' element to it
-In terms of how one uses a scythe effectively in an RPG, the most common excuse is that the user has quick reflexes and a good deal of strength to 'flip' the scythe on a dime, let's say they were doing an air combo in some action combat RPG, the swing the scythe upward and then upon ending that swing, they let go of the scythe, twist it around and swing the blade back down to cut up an enemy
-ANOTHER way to effectively use the scythe is to attach a 'ball bearing' type handle that's in the side of the scythe's pole, thus allowing the user to 'spin' the scythe on this 'rolling' handle and either protect himself/herself from non-projective attacks and enemies charging harming them
And so on. So so so so many people seem to be COMPLETELY ignoring the concept of FANTASY when discussing scythes as weapons. When discussing ROLE PLAYING GAMES that usually have an element of sci-fi or fantasy in them, ASSUME IMPOSSIBLE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
My thoughts? I'd like to see the scythe a little more properly acknowledged as a weapon 'alternative', maybe in future Dragon Quest games? You know, the 'class switching' heavy titles like the recent iteration DQIX. Maybe Sages or... Um... Okay, maybe the DQ series isn't the best to suggest using scythes in but you get the idea. People just writing off scythes as a 'tool' in this thread are clearly not thinking outside the box.
I agree. And I think they're ignoring too that a weapon's success in a GAME is all about how the animation looks. It doesn't really matter how a scythe needs to move in real life, as long as the game's animation for it is unique and believable. It's not about realism, it's about believability. As long as the character swings the scythe in an appealing way and the enemy gets hurt, then everything is fine. It's a FANTASY GAME, not a History Channel special.Kyogissun said:
I came into this thread thinking about commenting on how much better poleaxes and halberds are than scythes. Man I miss Morrowind...
This thread still going on?
Well I will say again, because they are farming tool, not a weapon.
Also, I would imagine it would be difficult to believably animate a guy using a scythe as a weapon.
Also, People did not use scythes as a weapon in real life, even a farmer would sooner pick up his pitchfork or a knife then his scythe.
When one thinks of a scythe what comes to mind? The grim reaper, not really a good guy. Thus a game designer would go with something like a longsword, something a knight would use.
Besides, does it really matter if scythes aren't in the game? Are you going to not buy another RPG because it lacks a scythe?
Well I will say again, because they are farming tool, not a weapon.
Also, I would imagine it would be difficult to believably animate a guy using a scythe as a weapon.
Also, People did not use scythes as a weapon in real life, even a farmer would sooner pick up his pitchfork or a knife then his scythe.
When one thinks of a scythe what comes to mind? The grim reaper, not really a good guy. Thus a game designer would go with something like a longsword, something a knight would use.
Besides, does it really matter if scythes aren't in the game? Are you going to not buy another RPG because it lacks a scythe?
Souplex said:
Because keys aren't weapons. They're for opening doors. Only an idiot would fight with a key.
Because slabs of cement aren't weapons. They're building materials. Only an idiot would fight with a slab of cement.
Because balls aren't weapons. They're for playing sport. Only an idiot would fight with a ball.
Because boomerangs aren't weapons. They're for traditional aboriginal ceremonies. Only an idiot would fight with a boomerang.
Because scythes aren't weapons. They're farming tools. Only an idiot would fight with a scythe.
It's an RPG. How well a weapon would fare IRL has NOTHING to do with it.
In Neverwinter Nights you can use scythes. I used one for a while until I found a double sided axe.
The thing you cut corn stalks with?
I used one when us delinquents got 'community service' as punishment for small crimes. It really isn't a useful weapon, unless you are fighting tall grass!
I used one when us delinquents got 'community service' as punishment for small crimes. It really isn't a useful weapon, unless you are fighting tall grass!
Agree!!!Souplex said:
but yeah scythes are farming equipment, used to reap crops.. ie the grim reaper he reaps souls with his scythe.. yeah sickles are farming tools as well but a bit easier to use...
but yeah i get dissapointed by the lack of polearms in most rpgs. you where more likely to see a spearman then a swordsman... spears where cheap and easy to make/use unlike a sword that took some skill to do either
actually boomerangs are hunting tools... but ill let that pass.. and honestly final fantasy is not the best i use this as a weapon excuse...Mister Swift said:Souplex said:
Because keys aren't weapons. They're for opening doors. Only an idiot would fight with a key.
Because slabs of cement aren't weapons. They're building materials. Only an idiot would fight with a slab of cement.
Because balls aren't weapons. They're for playing sport. Only an idiot would fight with a ball.
Because boomerangs aren't weapons. They're for traditional aboriginal ceremonies. Only an idiot would fight with a boomerang.
Because scythes aren't weapons. They're farming tools. Only an idiot would fight with a scythe.
It's an RPG. How well a weapon would fare IRL has NOTHING to do with it.
but scythes where not designed to be weapons, and honestly i like realism with my rpgs.. i mean id rather have a simple spear then any of those fancy ones above
Because they are not very practical weapons. But they are still commmon in jrpgs because Jrpgs tend to throw the practicality of weapons and armour out of the window.