Why do Jocks get away with it?

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MasterOfWorlds

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So I guess the strongest is the one who survives best -- that meaning different things to everyone, I know -- regardless of how they do it, or how 'good' or 'bad' it is. The servant who is treated badly, beaten and paid next to no wage is stronger in their own eyes than the rebel who takes to arms and dies for change. The owner of the former who pays no wage and mistreats his workers is only strong if they do not lose a rebellion or, and perhaps these mean the same things when you think about it, is imprisoned by their peers for crimes.

But if the point of life and thus survival is to procreate and spread your genes, wouldn't the rebel be stronger in an objective sense if they had children who survived to procreate, than the servant who does nothing but lives longer?

If the school shooter fails to kill the people who abused them (if anyone did) and is found guilty, sentenced and spends time in prison (assuming they don't want to be in prison) they are weaker than the bully, yes?

Life, eh? Ha. What a confused mess we humans make of it.
I don't think it's quite that simple anymore. According to Darwin's theory, the strongest survive because they're more fit to. In today's world that doesn't always mean being stronger. More often than not, it means being smarter.

I think you'd have a better time going along with Nicci (spelling?) who was the one that basically said, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." It's not that you go through shit growing up, it's what you get out of it and if you use the experience to become a "stronger" person because of it. I took martial arts to learn how to defend myself better and to learn discipline. I'm a fairly intelligent person. I'm a hard worker. I could use any one of these things and more to secure myself a better standing in society/nature.

Anyone can spread their genes provided that they're fertile and have the opportunity. It's whether or not they pass on genes that benefit the species that matters. Will there be a mutation that allows people to be immune to AIDs or cancer. Will we be immune to radiation or some such thing. It's these mutations that matter more than the act of being strong. This is all going back to Darwin though. We've stopped going by the rules of evolution though. I sometimes think it's a bad thing, but sometimes, I think it's ok.

The Spartans would leave a deformed baby to die. It wasn't because they hated the baby. It was because they didn't want that deformity to carry on through the bloodlines. We've seen similar things done countless times throughout history. With advances in technology, we've been able to use our minds more than our physical bodies to get whatever results we wanted.

Put a boxer in a ring with Bill Gates and have them go five rounds? I think Gates will lose. Does that make him the weaker man? In that situation, sure. But give Gates a computer and tell him to make a program or something and have the boxer try to do the same? It all depends on the situation.

I've been able to avoid most people picking on me because of my size. I'm just a big guy. Those few that I have had to fight, I knew how to put them down. Sure, I'm strong, I've cracked ribs with punches without much effort. But every fight you get into, evolutionarily speaking, is a chance for you to die. If you die you can't reproduce. Only the strongest would live. The strongest tend to be the first to wade into a fight. It seems like a paradox to me, but it seems to be fairly common. That's why your first string of guys on a team are better than the second and so on. But they are also more likely to get hurt because they're in the field/court/what have you.
 

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it really depends on the school. most dont have that kind of problem (at least that i have been in) while there are bullys in every school, if they pick on you its important to stand up to them (when no authority is around). i have been the subject of bullying twice. once in elementary school, i was really scrawny and this jock wasnt letting me play kickball. luckily, i had a really powerful punch and brought him to the ground in one hit. never got bothered again. high school i got picked on freshman year but i gave all the shit they gave me back to them. it stopped quickly.
 

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WOPR said:
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Football players get off easy because people care about football. This pampering almost always leads to failure later in life, but that's not really important when "lawsuit" has been on the tip of your tongue for several years. I'd say an "eyewitness" is not the same as a "witness" because the "eyewitness" is just someone who saw the incident. A "witness" is someone who saw it and is willing to defend an involved party. How many people actually came to back you up? (Note: The distinction between "witness" and "eyewitness" exists for lack of better terms, it is NOT a proper definition). Additionally, a capacity to fight back after the fact (especially in a manner that could constitute assault, self defense claim notwithstanding) never helps. Limping away to complain directly to the principal does.

And f**k your reputation. If you have these kinds of problems, popularity is your least concern.

Advice for avoiding this altogether: If you were still in high school, I'd say
-Keep out of the halls
Pretty obvious, just make sure to move through as quickly as possible and in the largest groups possible.
-Look before you leap
Make sure there's no opportunity for crude jokes
-Don't hold a grudge
Even for a second. If you loose it, you will be hit back.
-Act like a f**n tool (but a nice f**n tool)
This is somewhat complicated. Essentially sarcasm will put you on a field of non-vulnerability, while being generally friendly and helpful avoids unnecessary hatred
-Avoid human contact
Keep your friends. They are your friends and nobody else is. Help when asked, but never stick around too long. Dodge people if ever you see them coming.
-Don't go to a school in the same neighborhood
ESSENTIAL. The more you have the opportunity to avoid them, the better. Confrontations are almost always worse off-grounds.
-Smaller=Better (schools)
Lower population means it's easier to get noticed and easier to get shit done.
-Borrow a teacher's room during lunch hour
The farther away you are from your enemies, the better.
-Keep 5-10 friends handy, never walk alone
Harder to beat up 10 guys (and not all "nerds" are meek, I know this one guy that's BUILT like a football player and thinks like Stephen Hawking. Long ago I resolved never to cross him) than it is one. This applies to everything. If multiple people are willing to speak up, then important people start caring.
-Make sure at least one of them is female, if you want to be especially careful
There is an upside to a good number of athletes being chauvinistic pricks. It means they're less likely to beat you up in the presence of a woman.
-Suck up--Just do it ya pansy
Teachers are more likely to pay attention to you if you are considered trustworthy. Your reputation can take any number of hits, but there is a point at which you can be physically injured. This isn't to say: "be a rat"; this is to say have a conversation with your teacher once in a while. Make sure they know you, and on good terms.

--Loyalty from friends and acquaintances is also good

Essentially I mean "Be antisocial outside of you own, personal, small group". Proof: Never one broken bone in my body, then again, regions and population do make a difference.

This has worked for me for what is going on four years now.

And as for this:

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Except the football team. The coaches are still making absurd amounts of money and the program isn't losing any funding. While I struggle to get into classes because they had to drop a section, the football coach still gets his fucking pay raise because they don't want him to quit and go to another college.

Departments that actually teach important things that matter like: calculus, physics, composition, psychology, philosophy, education, humanities, engineering, technical training, and business, are losing their adjuncts because they can't afford them. As a result, classes are over full, teachers are overworked, students don't get as much feedback on their studies, books are being sold out because instructors aren't given enough time to order more, and students have to enroll for extra semesters so they can get required prerequisites.

I'm honestly surprised this country isn't dumber than it already is.
At my High School, I am in Band and Art. Neither get any funding. Because of the damn budget cuts, I have to work in a goddamm concession stand for 2 8-hour shifts to pay off my band-dues, and the arts program is entirely fundraiser-driven. And they're STILL hiring more coaches for the POS football team at my school! WE ONLY WON TWICE SINCE I ENROLLED. I'M IN THE 11TH GRADE, AND I WAS HERE SINCE 6TH. Can't they realize it's a lost cause and invest in the programs that have RESULTS? The Marching Band got 1st place last year, and we did not even have a goddamn band directer for half the year!

WTF?!?!
This is a problem pretty much everywhere. At my school the football team is the only one that gets funding. My art teacher has to pay out-of-pocket for half of the annual art supplies, while I see the football team going around with new jerseys that would cover most of the cost. I'd be inclined to do something if she cared, but at this time the status quo is apparently alright. The school does cover a lot of non-football related activities, which is pretty good considering it's a football school that's won 15 years of the division's 50 year program (looking back, I sometimes wonder how I landed myself here), but I can imagine where all the money would go if it needed to support a larger student body.
 

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Depending on the school that sort of shit can be either common or unheard of. My first school was like the one you described, I came out angry and bitter. The next one was nothing of the sort though, and no one understood why I was so bitter and resentful towards everything. Now that I'm done with school though I don't have to worry about it anymore :p

Essentially, schools are simply large mixes of people which tend towards systemic cruelty and brutality, but some are full of great people. I really hope things get better for you, as empty as that sounds.
 

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To punch someone for pulling the cushion out from under you, ya, you're normal.

To wrap a rope around their neck and make a command, ya, you're a psychopath.
 

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To punch someone for pulling the cushion out from under you, ya, you're normal.

To wrap a rope around their neck and make a command, ya, you're a psychopath.
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At least don't do it in public. revenge is a dish served cold, silent and in a dark alley that is rarely frequented and preferibly from behind, with gloves and an alibi.
 

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First I have to say, OP, that really sucks,
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Most of the jocks that went to my school were just content with getting drunk, high, and having sex, so they didn't really bully many people, and there were a few nice ones.
This sounds more like most schools that i have gone to or heard of, however, when it comes to being bullied, violence is generally not the best solution. Although that's easy to say from my perspective, In your situation I probably would have resorted to violence too. However, the Threat of violence is usually more effective, i suggest either looking at the bully like your crazy, or else standing up tall, making yourself look as big as possible, and getting very, very loud.
 

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Because people fucking suck that's why.

I dealt with this exact same type of fucking bullshit in my school. Constantly beat up by jocks, ignored by teachers and when I did anything about it, they shrugged it off like nothing.

Things went to an extreme amount though. They'd all gang up on me, beat me, cut me and just humiliate me. Once I decided to say anything, the teachers told me I had a problem because I supposedly "self inflicted the wounds"

I had had it with them and that school. I ended up kicking the shit out of each and every last fucking one of them and would have been expelled had I not have left the next day anyway. I know how much that shit sucks as I've lived through it myself.

As for why... I don't know. Jocks are seen as stars of the school. As long as they continue getting the school to look good in the sports aspects, they won't care what they do.
First off... Really?
You really did that?

I doubt it, but even if you managed to somehow beat up everyone in your school, I don't think you should encourage the OP.

That's mostly my point here - sorry for singling you out Julian, but your response was one of those I'm talking about, without being excessively violent(in its description) or outright deranged.

I can't help the OP, and neither can any of you other posters. He/She needs a psychologist. Hell, if people started taking the advice you people are giving, we would have an enormous amount of murder in all schools across the world.
"People bully you? Sneak into their house and slit their throats."

I know there is some form of "I relate, and am equally angered, so here is how I deal with it mentally: *Sick and deranged revenge fantasy*" but that doesn't help anyone.

People need to take a good hard look at themselves, and what they're writing.
My response, until reading that OP is choking people with rope, would have been that the police should be nearby - and that they should be able to solve the problem.
Then I realised something went very wrong in gym-class, and that OP is lucky to not have been arrested himself.

WOPR - seek help. Seriously.
You sound like you bottle up a lot of rage, and then explode with humongous force. It's dangerous for both yourself and your surroundings, if you don't get that shit sorted.
 

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Its not this bad at my school, in ours, its more verbal abuse... The football players picking on the regional finalist volleyball team for being gay when they havnet won a game in four years and the like. A bigger problem i think is the delinquints. At my school, i once got in school suspension for two days when i pushed back a kid that was literally tearing off my flesh with his nails for no reason. The moniters do nothing because they're all friends with the bad kinds... i swear, one of them actually showed a moniter his new bong and the moniter just said, "nice, you gotta put that away now."
 

Julianking93

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First off... Really?
You really did that?.
Yes, I did. As I've mentioned before here.

I doubt it, but even if you managed to somehow beat up everyone in your school, I don't think you should encourage the OP.
First off, I didn't beat up everyone. That would be ridiculous, nor did I say that. I meant I beat up the bullies who kicked my ass first hand and I just got my revenge.

I'm not encouraging the OP to do anything I did. What I did... probably wasn't the best way to go about it, but it made me feel better. I'm not telling the OP to do that. I'm simply stating what I did.

That's mostly my point here - sorry for singling you out Julian, but your response was one of those I'm talking about, without being excessively violent(in its description) or outright deranged.

I can't help the OP, and neither can any of you other posters. He/She needs a psychologist. Hell, if people started taking the advice you people are giving, we would have an enormous amount of murder in all schools across the world.
"People bully you? Sneak into their house and slit their throats."
Nor am I doing that. I'm not giving him advice. I don't think this is even an advice thread. It's asking about the jocks in your school and why they would get away with the things they do. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I didn't see where he asked for help.

I know there is some form of "I relate, and am equally angered, so here is how I deal with it mentally: *Sick and deranged revenge fantasy*" but that doesn't help anyone.

People need to take a good hard look at themselves, and what they're writing.
My response, until reading that OP is choking people with rope, would have been that the police should be nearby - and that they should be able to solve the problem.
Then I realised something went very wrong in gym-class, and that OP is lucky to not have been arrested himself.
There's two sides to this. One where you take the side of the law and the one where you take the side of the bullied kid who doesn't get any help. My experiences in school were that of torture and neglect from not only teachers and principals (and even the on campus policeman) but also from my parents. I took action when no one else would. I can't make a citizens arrest, so I took the second and in my opinion best option; I fucking beat the hell out of them.

Best choice? Probably not, though it was the only one at the time. Did it work? Fuck yeah, it worked. I never had to deal with them again and they got theirs. Albeit, I left the next day, but still, you get the point.

But to the gist of this; I never said the OP should do anything I did. The OP already handled his problems. As I said already, this doesn't seem to be an advice thread, rather just one of relation and venting, or at least, that's what it seems to be and how people are treating it.
 

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I'd like to take this chance to say that I'd rather be intelligent than strong.

And I'm glad to say I am.
 

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First off, I didn't beat up everyone. That would be ridiculous, nor did I say that. I meant I beat up the bullies who kicked my ass first hand and I just got my revenge.
I see. I would say "Good on you" - but I'm not going to applaud violence.

I'm not encouraging the OP to do anything I did. What I did... probably wasn't the best way to go about it, but it made me feel better. I'm not telling the OP to do that. I'm simply stating what I did.
Nor am I doing that. I'm not giving him advice. I don't think this is even an advice thread. It's asking about the jocks in your school and why they would get away with the things they do. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I didn't see where he asked for help.
Alright - but why then mention it in the first place?
As much as I have, admittedly, posted sort-off off-topic (given that I'm not answering "Why do "Jocks" get away with it?") so have you. I don't think the OP asked "Has anything similar happened to you, and how did you deal with it?" given that, as you point it, that would be asking for advice. This thread is not.
Okay, okay, you do provide some sort of answer - but all you say in that regard is "People suck". That is not going to help anyone.

It should be obvious to everyone however, that the OP needs help. Not just for his own bottled up anger, but also because going with such physical and mental trauma inside and not telling anyone about what is going on, isn't healthy either.

There's two sides to this. One where you take the side of the law and the one where you take the side of the bullied kid who doesn't get any help. My experiences in school were that of torture and neglect from not only teachers and principals (and even the on campus policeman) but also from my parents. I took action when no one else would. I can't make a citizens arrest, so I took the second and in my opinion best option; I fucking beat the hell out of them.

Best choice? Probably not, though it was the only one at the time. Did it work? Fuck yeah, it worked. I never had to deal with them again and they got theirs. Albeit, I left the next day, but still, you get the point.
Taking the law into your own hands, and exerting violence and power upon others is never the right way to go. Sometimes it cannot be avoided, but such cases are self-defense and not cases of aggression. I do not think the garroting rope counts as self-defense.

You have to realise, though, that you're writing "I beat up some people, and that worked." and that tells people reading, that beating people up works. It sends a rather disturbing message, if you catch my drift, even if you do not write "You should try this:" before your own analogy.

But to the gist of this; I never said the OP should do anything I did. The OP already handled his problems. As I said already, this doesn't seem to be an advice thread, rather just one of relation and venting, or at least, that's what it seems to be and how people are treating it.
It does seem like that, doesn't it? But venting isn't healthy, and it most certainly doesn't help anything or anyone in the long term. It only gets worse.
I'm no psychologist, but that is psychology 101.
 

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I'd like to take this chance to say that I'd rather be intelligent than strong.

And I'm glad to say I am.
Those are not mutually exclusive. Lifting weights and philosophy are among my favorite passtimes.
 

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I had the same problem. The quarter back of our school decided to beat up on me cause he thought I tripped his friend (which I didn't and it was actually his friend who tripped me) and when I got him suspended for it I was immediately the bad guy because the big rival game was upon us while he was suspended from the team.Now mind you, my school's team sucks the worst out of the tri-county area but I was a bad guy for making them lose the game by getting their star played kicked off. Even my friends shunned me for a period of time. My only answer to them was, "If you all didn't suck so bad with a single player gone, you would have won. Not my fault he was a jerkoff." And it happened twice to me by the same guy at the same time of the rival game. And twice, I was shunned by the entire school for a long time. I almost got a police report to have him arrested but I am too nice for that. But they got off scott-free because people let them do so. It isn't fair and isn't right but sadly, that is life as we know it.
 

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I think you just went to a terrible school, my friend.

I had problems with those types too, but I always stood up for myself, and the schools were usually helpful.

It just reminds me of something I told a buddy of mine who's still in high school:

"High school is a cultural cesspool that masquerades as enlightenment and education to hide its true colours as a hierarchical medieval shit pile. Tolerance and understanding are flaunted but ignored by most everyone unless they violate the latest norms and rules of what is considered offensive. This means it is not worth giving a damn. It's miserable only if you make it to be.
Show up, get your diploma, and leave. You will never see 99% of these people again."
 

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Anyone actually being surprised by this? Sounds like typical corporate america if you ask me. Jocks who play sports generate income to the schools, hence they get away with pretty much anything, because expelling them would mean a loss of prestige and profit for the school.

Capitalism, paving the way for bullies and assholes since it's inception...
 

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Due to the fact that the football team at my school is complete crap, nobody cares about them anyway. Our last season we went 0-13.

Our tennis team gets more prestige then they do, despite being populated by scrawny math herds, simply due to the fact that they actually win consistently every year.
 

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I wouldn't have let them get away with it in the first place. That's how you stop it. It's worked for me every time.