Why do people hate JRPGs?
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For me usually
1. Poor combat. The JRPG I've seen do combat the best was kingdom hearts, and even that isn't even close to being in the same league as games like God of War.
2. Bad characters. I'm not even talking about the common "androgynous teenage boy" problem, though I'm not a fan of that either. My bigger problem is that most of these characters don't even act remotely similar to real people. The archetypes that they fall into aren't even realistic archetypes. They usually have all these moral convictions, obligatory integrity, or devilish evilness that are just completely unbelievable, especially in life or death situations.
3. Convoluted anime plots. Any remote similarity to final fantasy 8's plot, no matter how slight, is enough to classify a plot as an indecipherable pulp of horrible writing.
1. Poor combat. The JRPG I've seen do combat the best was kingdom hearts, and even that isn't even close to being in the same league as games like God of War.
2. Bad characters. I'm not even talking about the common "androgynous teenage boy" problem, though I'm not a fan of that either. My bigger problem is that most of these characters don't even act remotely similar to real people. The archetypes that they fall into aren't even realistic archetypes. They usually have all these moral convictions, obligatory integrity, or devilish evilness that are just completely unbelievable, especially in life or death situations.
3. Convoluted anime plots. Any remote similarity to final fantasy 8's plot, no matter how slight, is enough to classify a plot as an indecipherable pulp of horrible writing.
I haven't really tried any jrpgs. Partially because very few of them exists on PC and partially because they just don't seem that interesting to me. They just seem so... silly.
They also seem to be missing things that to me are key features for RPGs. When I play RPGs I want to be able to:
a: change what kind of person my main character is, or at least have some say in the matter.
b: have some say in how the storyline develops. Railroading is ok in other games, but an RPG is only really good if you as a player at least have some impact to the story.
Also The Spoony one haven't exactly improved my view on JRPGs
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/final-fantasy-viii/page/2/
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-x/
They also seem to be missing things that to me are key features for RPGs. When I play RPGs I want to be able to:
a: change what kind of person my main character is, or at least have some say in the matter.
b: have some say in how the storyline develops. Railroading is ok in other games, but an RPG is only really good if you as a player at least have some impact to the story.
Also The Spoony one haven't exactly improved my view on JRPGs
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/final-fantasy-viii/page/2/
http://spoonyexperiment.com/category/game-reviews/final-fantasy-x/
Loving the insane ass-backwards logic of hating on JRPGs because they're 'unrealistic'.
Being unrealistic is what separates video games from...you know, real life?
This just in, FFXV involves the central character aspiring for an office job in a tall skyscraper constructed of various shades of brown and grey. When you level up, you get promoted.
Realistic enough?
Being unrealistic is what separates video games from...you know, real life?
This just in, FFXV involves the central character aspiring for an office job in a tall skyscraper constructed of various shades of brown and grey. When you level up, you get promoted.
Realistic enough?
Personally I love JRPG's, but it is a shame that they have got a bad reputation from, what I can tell, is no reason at all!
Where I live it is hard just to get a copy of a 'normal' western RPG let alone a JRPG no matter how good it is and when I do get a copy from Amazon or such like and play it then talk to my friends about it they don't seam to like the game just because of the lable.
Maybe it's one of those game ganres where people brand them and they are ignorant about the games in place. Like people thinking that all FPS's are all really violent and blood thirsty but there are exceptions like MGS4- snake eater or portal!
Os maybe it has a bad name because people are ignorant about the games and if those people learned why it is popular then it wouldn't have a bad name any more!
Where I live it is hard just to get a copy of a 'normal' western RPG let alone a JRPG no matter how good it is and when I do get a copy from Amazon or such like and play it then talk to my friends about it they don't seam to like the game just because of the lable.
Maybe it's one of those game ganres where people brand them and they are ignorant about the games in place. Like people thinking that all FPS's are all really violent and blood thirsty but there are exceptions like MGS4- snake eater or portal!
Os maybe it has a bad name because people are ignorant about the games and if those people learned why it is popular then it wouldn't have a bad name any more!
Predictable stories, annoying characters,redundant and obsolete combat, and REALLY bad voice overs.
All can be in Oblivion the latter with a mod and that is WRPG so pretty crap reason to hate JRPGs.Vetinarii said:
OT: People on this site that are usually quite vocal about it hate them for a multitude of ridiculous reasons and haven't even really given tham a decent try. While some actually hate them for good reasons.
On the immersion breaking fighting say a tank with a sword was Was Oblivion immersion breaking when you doing something as ridiculous as just running backward firing off magic like a machinegun or arrows? Was Mass Effect immersion breaking when a skill Adrenaline Rush could recharge all of your Tech Magic(I mean Talents) even though they nothing to do with your actual body or when you fought that Armature which is a tank outside of where Liara was with only guns and three people? Was Fallout 3 immersion breaking when they give you a Nuke Launcher?
The answer to most of those is probably no but it is ok to do complete bullshit in WRPG but when it happens in a JRPG it isn't ok. On the teenage people in JRPG that is only recent ones. Even then there are still plenty out there where the people are not in their teens. This is just lack of looking.
Gameinformer's the magazine you're talking about I think, or atleast that magazine had a JRPG flowchart thing in it recently, to be frank to me it spoke (and was funny referencing) more to the frustrations of a standard JRPG's conventions (IE: Having to grind/buy items), not so much the plot. (And though I did find the bits about the plot funny as well, they didn't hit the mark for any of the JRPGs I've played, though a few of the western ones)tellmeimaninja said:
Gay game and storyline details overload. Basicly the same reasons altogether why I hate naruto anime.
What I hate the most about jrpgs is the characters because in most jrpgs they are either cliche, too sissy or completely unlikeable. That is what turns me off most jrpgs, but I don't hate all jrpgs, there is one that I actually like: Chrono Trigger.
It has good characters who arn't annoying, the turn based combat is very smooth and fast, and switching through different time periods gives the game a lot of varity. What I don't like about Chrono Trigger is that some of the bosses take too long to finish, but it is still a great game in my opinion. I would like to give more jrpgs a chance and I'll definitely be trying some Final Fantasy games, Dragon Quest 9 and the Mario rpgs, but everything else like Star Ocean and Eternal Sonata just don't interest me.
It has good characters who arn't annoying, the turn based combat is very smooth and fast, and switching through different time periods gives the game a lot of varity. What I don't like about Chrono Trigger is that some of the bosses take too long to finish, but it is still a great game in my opinion. I would like to give more jrpgs a chance and I'll definitely be trying some Final Fantasy games, Dragon Quest 9 and the Mario rpgs, but everything else like Star Ocean and Eternal Sonata just don't interest me.
Scott Pilgrim is completely filled with JRPG and RPG references.FreelanceButler said:
http://www.scottpilgrim.com/
I mean really....
Well, usually because the gameplay is awful. Don't get me wrong, I love FFIX and FFX and many other JRPGs like Chrono Trigger or Persona 4. But I can't deny that the actual fights in these games are lame, boring and EXTREMELY repetitive. Casting Bufu once on a monster to knock it down is okay. Casting Bufu 500 times on the same monsters is more than a LITTLE ANNOYING. Granted, some fights in JRPGs require strategy, but those are rare and usually don't come up in the main story line of the game.
What saves JRPGs are the story and the artwork and the music. FFIX had a great story and even better music. I loved to play that game for the story. With JRPGs, you can measure how good they are if you can BEAR the random encounters and battles for the story. This is the reason why I couldn't stand FFXIII - the story, to me, was bad, and the characters downright annoying (except for Sazh). And if a JRPG has a bad story, there is literally NOTHING good about it, so when a JRPG fails in the story department, as they have been doing recently, they fail colossally.
I mean think about it - there's really no RPG element in a JRPG, since you don't play a role. You don't really have that much control over your character in battle, and the battles themselves get very repetitive, very quickly. So what is there to a JRPG, EXCEPT story, music and artwork?
And some people don't like the story, or the art work. So for them, a JRPG offers nothing. I mean, absolutely nothing - if you don't like the stories in JRPGs, there's nothing for you - they are supported solely by their characters and some people just don't gel with the typical cast and characters found in JRPGs. I, myself, am becoming increasingly exasperated with the "brooding pretty boy" stereotype found in a lot of JRPGs - probably the reason why I liked FFIX and FFX so much, because in those games the main protagonists were cheerful and optimistic, instead of whiny and sour.
For JRPGs to make a comeback, the designers have to start taking risks. Don't follow the standard anime tropes and cliches. Please don't follow pedestrian story structures and overused themes of "friendship" and "love".
My main point is that what makes a JRPG great is not the graphics or the gameplay. Persona 4 was a great game, despite being on the PS2 and having atrocious gameplay, because it had a pretty good story and a cast of likeable characters and great, stellar art-direction. FFXIII was, in contrast, a bad game, because the story was extremely limited (Almost no NPCs, towns or characterization of the world), and I found the characters, especially Hope, to be incredibly dim-witted and whiny.
What saves JRPGs are the story and the artwork and the music. FFIX had a great story and even better music. I loved to play that game for the story. With JRPGs, you can measure how good they are if you can BEAR the random encounters and battles for the story. This is the reason why I couldn't stand FFXIII - the story, to me, was bad, and the characters downright annoying (except for Sazh). And if a JRPG has a bad story, there is literally NOTHING good about it, so when a JRPG fails in the story department, as they have been doing recently, they fail colossally.
I mean think about it - there's really no RPG element in a JRPG, since you don't play a role. You don't really have that much control over your character in battle, and the battles themselves get very repetitive, very quickly. So what is there to a JRPG, EXCEPT story, music and artwork?
And some people don't like the story, or the art work. So for them, a JRPG offers nothing. I mean, absolutely nothing - if you don't like the stories in JRPGs, there's nothing for you - they are supported solely by their characters and some people just don't gel with the typical cast and characters found in JRPGs. I, myself, am becoming increasingly exasperated with the "brooding pretty boy" stereotype found in a lot of JRPGs - probably the reason why I liked FFIX and FFX so much, because in those games the main protagonists were cheerful and optimistic, instead of whiny and sour.
For JRPGs to make a comeback, the designers have to start taking risks. Don't follow the standard anime tropes and cliches. Please don't follow pedestrian story structures and overused themes of "friendship" and "love".
My main point is that what makes a JRPG great is not the graphics or the gameplay. Persona 4 was a great game, despite being on the PS2 and having atrocious gameplay, because it had a pretty good story and a cast of likeable characters and great, stellar art-direction. FFXIII was, in contrast, a bad game, because the story was extremely limited (Almost no NPCs, towns or characterization of the world), and I found the characters, especially Hope, to be incredibly dim-witted and whiny.
well seeing how Scott Pilgrim is Manga and Japanese AND in a JRPG i think it has a lot to do with it.FreelanceButler said:
I know we're spiralling horribly off topic here, but Scott Pilgrim isn't manga, it's a comic book. That was written in Canada. By a Canadian. And the game's a side-scrolling beat 'em up.scoober1111 said:
But as someone else pointed out, Scott Pilgrim does throw out a Japan reference, be it to anime or game, every couple of minutes. I'll admit I forgot about that.
Characters look like women in alot of cases, some absolutely stupid design choices
Slow paced gameplay, the the list goes on.
But, I love JRPGs.
Slow paced gameplay, the the list goes on.
But, I love JRPGs.
Japanese officers.