why do people hate origin so much?

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markisb

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i keep hearing about people complaining that origin is this and origin is that that is tracks what u have on ur pc and such im just wandering whats the problem? steam records ur pc specs and what u have installed. whats different about origin? why do people hate it so much?

PS. i have both origin and steam installed on my pc and haven't had any trouble so far with ether.
 

octafish

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Origin is pretty good isn't it. I've had Steam bug out three times since I installed Origin and Origin has done nothing but install a couple of patches. It is working perfectly (so far). I think the big problem is it isn't Valve and doesn't sell any other publishers games.

Since the TOS was re-written I personally don't have a problem with EA collecting information about what programs I run and anonomously adding my information to a collated database. Steam does give you an option to participate in their data gathering, Origin makes it mandatory. EA will breach their TOS if they record anything that will identify you, and if they sell any information.

The Anti-Class action clause is pretty annoying but that isn't something you can enforce in Australia, nor is it really EAs doing. Blame the US Supreme Court or AT&T if you like, but once this shit was legal you as a business would be crazy not to add this clause to your TOS. Sony did it, and I suspect it will be a standard clause until it is overturned.

I think the prices are non-competitive to the extreme. I don't plan on buying any games through the service. Gamersgate and retail are both cheaper and nothing compares to a Steam Sale.
 

scorptatious

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Well for one, it's made by EA. Who is considered the Anti-Christ on these forums.

Also, from what I've heard, Origin is able to collect data on your computer. Hey, I'd be pissed too if some company was able to look at my secret porn stash.

...I mean, documents about things for school. >_>
 

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scorptatious said:
Well for one, it's made by EA. Who is considered the Anti-Christ on these forums.

Also, from what I've heard, Origin is able to collect data on your computer. Hey, I'd be pissed too if some company was able to look at my secret porn stash.

...I mean, documents about things for school. >_>
I know, it took me years to build up my collection of sexiness, I'm not gonna just share it with an entire corporation!

Also if they ever stole any of the novels I'm working on and used them in their games I might actually attempt to kill whoever was in charge of the information monitoring stuff at EA.


Rather not run the risk of either of those things happening... also nothing that's on origin only I really want anyway...
 

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octafish said:
Origin is pretty good isn't it. I've had Steam bug out three times since I installed Origin and Origin has done nothing but install a couple of patches. It is working perfectly (so far). I think the big problem is it isn't Valve and doesn't sell any other publishers games.

Since the TOS was re-written I personally don't have a problem with EA collecting information about what programs I run and anonomously adding my information to a collated database. Steam does give you an option to participate in their data gathering, Origin makes it mandatory. EA will breach their TOS if they record anything that will identify you, and if they sell any information.

The Anti-Class action clause is pretty annoying but that isn't something you can enforce in Australia, nor is it really EAs doing. Blame the US Supreme Court or AT&T if you like, but once this shit was legal you as a business would be crazy not to add this clause to your TOS. Sony did it, and I suspect it will be a standard clause until it is overturned.

I think the prices are non-competitive to the extreme. I don't plan on buying any games through the service. Gamersgate and retail are both cheaper and nothing compares to a Steam Sale.
So they changed their TOS? When was this?
 

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I have no idea. Steam has its fair share of problems, it decides I don't appreciate it enough or whatever every few months and forces me to do a full uninstall. The prices aren't as good as Steam and neither is the selection but it's a fairly new service, hopefully that'll change.
 

isometry

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I hate the way EA games nag me to death about online "features" that are really just a poor excuse for DRM and spam.

1. Click something in a brand-new game I'm excited to play.
2. *pop-up* Welcome to EA Spam-zone! To get started you'll need an account, give me your email so I can spam you about some DLC and games you don't care about!
3. *exit out of pop-up* You chose not to create a spam account at this time, so we assume you are a nasty pirate and have disabled half the features of the game you just bought.
4. *30 seconds later, loading into the game for the first time* Hey did you know you can sign-up for some new EA spam attacks?! Sign-up now to enable playing the game you bought.

etc

Not all EA games are this bad, but lots are e.g. recent Need For Speed.

So that's my reason, is that dealing with EA in recent years involves so much advertising and DRM crap that I feel like I am going to ghetto websites to play flash games. Add this to the general list of atrocities like destroying formerly good game series in the name of selling out, horrible start-up videos that they try to stop us from disabling, etc.

The thing about Steam is that I don't particularly like any of valve's games. Half-life, TF2, Portal, all lose my interest in less than one hour. But Valve did not create steam to push their own games down my throat, like the reason EA made origin. Valve set out to make a games distribution platform, not to give themselves tighter control over the customers of their games.

What would it take for me to use origin? EA would need to lose billions of dollars for multiple years in a row, fire their board of directors, and replace them all with human beings that have decent souls.
 

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I think the main problem is apparently that it is made by EA. Which makes it the spawn of the devil or something. As far as I know, it doesn't do anything different from Steam which people adore. So, I guess people hate it because they are hypocrites. For the record, I don't have Steam or Origin.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
EA is really untrustworthy when it comes to drm stuff, they are the company that did allot to really create all the hatred for drm from allot of gamers, I fully expect them to pull some weird shit with origin when they think no one is looking or they decide its not making as much money as they think it should.
 

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Harbinger_ said:
octafish said:
Origin is pretty good isn't it. I've had Steam bug out three times since I installed Origin and Origin has done nothing but install a couple of patches. It is working perfectly (so far). I think the big problem is it isn't Valve and doesn't sell any other publishers games.

Since the TOS was re-written I personally don't have a problem with EA collecting information about what programs I run and anonomously adding my information to a collated database. Steam does give you an option to participate in their data gathering, Origin makes it mandatory. EA will breach their TOS if they record anything that will identify you, and if they sell any information.

The Anti-Class action clause is pretty annoying but that isn't something you can enforce in Australia, nor is it really EAs doing. Blame the US Supreme Court or AT&T if you like, but once this shit was legal you as a business would be crazy not to add this clause to your TOS. Sony did it, and I suspect it will be a standard clause until it is overturned.

I think the prices are non-competitive to the extreme. I don't plan on buying any games through the service. Gamersgate and retail are both cheaper and nothing compares to a Steam Sale.
So they changed their TOS? When was this?
Their Terms used to allow them to distribute the information collected, there was a major backlash, now all information is collected and used exclusively by EA. It was maybe a month before the release of BF3, about a week before they added in the AT&T non class action clause. Of course not many people reported it.
 

octafish

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isometry said:
I hate the way EA games nag me to death about online "features" that are really just a poor excuse for DRM and spam.

1. Click something in a brand-new game I'm excited to play.
2. *pop-up* Welcome to EA Spam-zone! To get started you'll need an account, give me your email so I can spam you about some DLC and games you don't care about!
3. *exit out of pop-up* You chose not to create a spam account at this time, so we assume you are a nasty pirate and have disabled half the features of the game you just bought.
4. *30 seconds later, loading into the game for the first time* Hey did you know you can sign-up for some new EA spam attacks?! Sign-up now to enable playing the game you bought.
Or you know you could click the little box that says "I do not want to be contacted about special offers", when you sign up to an EA/Origin account/
isometry said:
The thing about Steam is that I don't particularly like any of valve's games. Half-life, TF2, Portal, all lose my interest in less than one hour. But Valve did not create steam to push their own games down my throat, like the reason EA made origin. Valve set out to make a games distribution platform, not to give themselves tighter control over the customers of their games.
That is exactly why Valve created Steam. Just like the big EA games (BF3) you couldn't play Half Life 2 without Steam. Half Life 2 was a blockbuster AAA title. Steam was created as a way of increasing profits and preventing piracy, you know DRM. It was frustratingly intrusive when compared to a standard disk check. The automatic patching utility was also horribly impemented and broke games. Don't fool yourself, Valve created Steam to give themselves tighter control of their customers.
 

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Origin is a half-assed version of Steam, with higher prices and a fraction of the library. And so the only thing it manages to accomplish is remove all EA games from Steam, which is annoying.
 

Sjakie

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Origins is just a platform to datamine your PC like any other malware would.
Ofcourse it does work , else you would not install it to play their games.

saying you got nothing to hide is maybe fine for you, but to me it is exactly the same as letting a guy from EA (or their 3rd party members, whoever those might be?) into your house and browse through every map and file on your computer..and you pay them for it to boot.

FU EA, FU!
 

Ken Sapp

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Why I don't want Origin? EA only titles and data gathering well beyond what is necessary, i.e. System specs and driver versions. What non-EA programs and/or data I have on my PC is none of EA's business.
octafish said:
Just like the big EA games (BF3) you couldn't play Half Life 2 without Steam.
Actually I was able to install and play HL2 from the Orange Box disc without installing or using Steam when it came out. I successfully avoided Steam for a couple of years until after it had settled down and become stable(it is for me at least).
 

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Ken Sapp said:
Why I don't want Origin? EA only titles and data gathering well beyond what is necessary, i.e. System specs and driver versions. What non-EA programs and/or data I have on my PC is none of EA's business.
octafish said:
Just like the big EA games (BF3) you couldn't play Half Life 2 without Steam.
Actually I was able to install and play HL2 from the Orange Box disc without installing or using Steam when it came out. I successfully avoided Steam for a couple of years until after it had settled down and become stable(it is for me at least).
So you cracked Steam in 2007 three years after it launched? People have already cracked Origin. No system is pirate proof.

I wish I could have avoided Steam in 2004 when HL2 was released. I couldn't play HL2 for four months after buying a retail disk on day one. Then a patch was released and it took another month or so to download in bits and pieces on my piddly dial up connection.

Sjakie said:
Origins is just a platform to datamine your PC like any other malware would.
Ofcourse it does work , else you would not install it to play their games.

saying you got nothing to hide is maybe fine for you, but to me it is exactly the same as letting a guy from EA (or their 3rd party members, whoever those might be?) into your house and browse through every map and file on your computer..and you pay them for it to boot.

FU EA, FU!
No third parties are allowed access to your data. Data which is not allowed to have any information to identify you.

You should probably re-read the Origin ToS and compare it to Sony's for PSN or Steam.
 

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isometry said:
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The thing about Steam is that I don't particularly like any of valve's games. Half-life, TF2, Portal, all lose my interest in less than one hour.
Portal is only about two hours long... How did it lose your interest after an hour?

On Topic:
Probably because Origin is an invasion of privacy. For some odd reason, people like keeping things private from giant, monolithic organizations.

As well as the snoopy neighbors.
 

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scorptatious said:
Well for one, it's made by EA. Who is considered the Anti-Christ on these forums.
For another, it's not made by Valve, who can do no wrong.

Also, from what I've heard, Origin is able to collect data on your computer.
Kiiiinda what the first post said. Steam does this too. Few complain because they either don't understand it or are making excuses.
 

Ken Sapp

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octafish said:
Ken Sapp said:
Why I don't want Origin? EA only titles and data gathering well beyond what is necessary, i.e. System specs and driver versions. What non-EA programs and/or data I have on my PC is none of EA's business.
octafish said:
Just like the big EA games (BF3) you couldn't play Half Life 2 without Steam.
Actually I was able to install and play HL2 from the Orange Box disc without installing or using Steam when it came out. I successfully avoided Steam for a couple of years until after it had settled down and become stable(it is for me at least).
So you cracked Steam in 2007 three years after it launched? People have already cracked Origin. No system is pirate proof.

I wish I could have avoided Steam in 2004 when HL2 was released. I couldn't play HL2 for four months after buying a retail disk on day one. Then a patch was released and it took another month or so to download in bits and pieces on my piddly dial up connection.
No I didn't crack Steam, I just did not install it.