Why do people hate Treyarch?

[valkeminator]

I know you can't truly blame Treyarch for failing a good Blops experience on PC, unfortunately most people would just point the blame at who made the game, as opposed to the shareholders who had their own criteria and demand for the game itself and end up being released a bit too early before its fully ready.

Funny in hindsight how EA Vs. Activision, two massively popular gaming company, yet get backlash every now and then, with their own FPS series they compete against each other and still get backlashed.

Somehow its hilarious when you see its kind of like a contest of whose FPS game garners more protests/backlash between these two.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

Call of Duty: Black Ops was the highest grossing video game of all time (or some shit like that)
Hence, no "People" do not hate Treyarch....

That being said,

Because they make the world's most popular game.

"Escapists" hate treyarch for...well...this.
It's what we do....

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

Eh...I have an image of them that's based on no real evidence except the following items which aren't even necessarily true.

1. Treyarch CoD games have always been inferior to IW ones.
2. IW was the developer that "stood up" to Activision, and Treyarch didn't. Kind of makes them look like Activision's lapdog.
3. Treyarch has been involved with a number of crappy projects for Activision, which kind of makes them look like Activision's go-to franchise wrecker. I'm surprised they didn't take over Guitar Hero.

 

[SilkySkyKitten]

Because they make the world's most popular game.

"Escapists" hate treyarch for...well...this.
It's what we do....

Ninja'd

Unfortunately, The Escapist is filled to the brim with people who have a "It's Popular so it Sucks" mindset. Thus, considering that Treyarch made one of the most popular games in the world, people hate them alongside the game.
A shame, since the Call of Duty series as a whole is a very fun series (and I'm including both IW's and Treyarch's games when I say that, so shut up IW/Treyarch fanboys). It isn't perfect in any form, but it's still damn fun, and in the end that's all that really matters.

 

[TheFPSisDead]

I hate both Infinity Ward and Treyarch because I hate CoD because CoD is boring. CoD is boring and safe and does nothing for the genre or gaming as a whole and the only reason it sells is because of the "america, fuck yea" mentality that FPS customers have. Actually CoD is ruining a genre by being successful. Success equals clones, clones equals a market flooded with mediocre military shooters AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING!

 

[The Rockerfly]

It's not Treyarch it's Activision we hate.

Thread over, everybody can go home

 

[LeQuack_Is_Back]

I don't like how they handled Black Ops, frankly. They took out stopping power... so now everyone uses Ghost... big improvement. They made a couple dozen guns, with nearly identical stats and ironsights to keep them usuable... and everyone still uses the FAMAS or the AK74u cause they're better. They nerfed quickscoping, and in the process made normal sniping downright painful to do. They nerfed shotguns and made them a primary, when one or the other would have been enough. In theory, the game has a lot of variety, in practice, you're going to see 1 to 3 guns, and that's it.

So, in trying to fix MW2's mistakes, they made things worse, while still having some of those same problems. I'm not impressed.

 

[Megawat22]

I like Treyarch. They made my favourite Spiderman games and WaW (the best CoD I've played).
But they epically failed with Black Ops in so many ways.
As Black Ops is the most current CoD that's why they get the hate, just like IW got with MW2 and Sledgehammer will get with... whatever it is they make.

 

[tomme69]

Cause they released a game that doesn't even work half of the time, and cant seem to patch. . .

 

[jayzz911]

Thanks for stating your opinion as fact. I happen to like Black ops and really dislike mw2. (apart from the singleplayer) And to your remark on the Top spin 4 add stop watching your mom in the shower because that will mess you up.

Maybe because it is a fact... Your horrible taste in games is your own problem.[footnote]What is it with idiots these days and EVERYTHING having to have a giant fucking neon "IN MY OPINION FOR ALL YOU DUMBASSES" logo on it? My god fanboys are a whiney lot.[/footnote]
Oh and a "your mom" joke that has nothing to do with the subject but you just had to throw in because you are all butt hurt over me insulting a crappy game that you love. How mature. Begone fanboy.
Thank Christ for this beloved "ignore" button. ^.^

Yup my view isn't the same as yours so naturally I have a bad taste in games right? And in regards to my "fanboyism" don't see where i said i love all of Treyarch's games. And calling me a fanboy because i happen to like one game a studio makes? You sir are the pinnacle of maturity.

 

[Woodsey]

Not exactly beacons of quality, originality or general good-game making, are they?

Their release history is uninspired, to say the least. I don't think people hate them, because that would mean they'd have to do something of interest - indifference is about all I can manage.

Call of Duty: Black Ops was the highest grossing video game of all time (or some shit like that)
Hence, no "People" do not hate Treyarch....

Saddam Hussein could have been put in charge of making BlOps, it would have still sold. The studio doesn't come into play - hell, I imagine the majority of Call of Duty players don't know the difference between IW and Treyarch.

 

[Woodsey]

-delete, double post-

 

[Kajt]

I do not hate them. They make okay games, and I quite like nazi zombies. Hell, I even bought all the WaW map packs.

I still prefer CoD4 over WaW for online play though. Always liked the guns and maps more.

 

[retterkl]

Cause CoD2 is better than CoD3 by miles. Nazi Zombies is boring fast.
The first is fact, the second is my view.

But.... Treyarch made the CoD2 expansion which was good

 

[MR T3D]

The best game Treyarch ever made was Spiderman, which should speak volumes of their incompetence as a developer.

They're also even worse than Obsidian at releasing buggy software that needs oodles of patching before it's even playable. Their Q&A is zero, their R&D is zero, they just get told what to do by Activision, which in most cases is "make the shiniest game you can in under 2 years".

Another turd, another sales hit for the lowbrow masses.

UNITED OFFENSIVE.
A lot of the talent behind that, the greatest part of the COD franchise, went into treyarch (look it up yourself)
they tried something completely different with COD3, made THE BEST movie-based game ever (spiderman 2), actually try different things like vehicles in COD.

they've done better than IW.

 

[Death_Korps_Kommissar]

1. Treyarch CoD games have always been inferior to IW ones.

Your opinion. Personally, I thought that Black Ops had a brilliant campaign -- unfortunately, it seems that people, like the Escapist editor who reviewed BlOps, aren't intelligent enough to understand the story. They fixed the multiplayer, and when they found things that were broken, unlike I-Dub, Treyarch actually went back and fixed it.

2. IW was the developer that "stood up" to Activision, and Treyarch didn't. Kind of makes them look like Activision's lapdog.

What are you talking about? I-Dub didn't 'stand up' to Activision. They got ripped off of massive bonuses and were, understandably, upset. Up until that point, I-Dub was just as much Activision's ***** as you claim Treyarch is.

3. Treyarch has been involved with a number of crappy projects for Activision, which kind of makes them look like Activision's go-to franchise wrecker. I'm surprised they didn't take over Guitar Hero.

Again, your opinion. Now my opinion: I think I-Dub ruined Call of Duty. After all -- and this is still just my opinion, mind you -- Modern Warfare 2 was a bland, broken piece of crap.

I like Treyarch. Black Ops ranks just after Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare as my two favorite games in the Call of Duty franchise because, in my opinion, they have the best stories, the best multiplayer, and -- here's something you probably weren't expecting -- the best soundtracks.

I understood the story perfectly and I still thought it was retarded.
Just more of "America is da best!!!!! Fuck dem commies!"

 

[Elamdri]

Honestly, the only bad thing I can say about treyarch itself ( not Black ops, mind you ) is that they're just so..... plain. They just take what IW does and tweak it a bit.

Why would you mess with a formula that works?

 

[Netrigan]

Treyarch doesn't so much suck as I think they're more than a bit narratively challenged.

At the moment, I'm taking a break from Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 and while the story itself is a cluster-fuck of epic proportions, damn it if the game isn't really effective at making me forget it. From a story point of view, I don't have the slightest clue what I'm supposed to be doing or why its important, but the in-game narrative knows how to point me in the right direction and make everything I do seem really fucking important. Even when I played the demo level, I was just gripped by it... even though I was at a total loss as to what I was doing and why it was important. The game told me to do something, I did it, and wackiness ensued.

One of the last levels in MW2 I played was the EMP level, which starts off with you trapped in a chopper taking pot-shots at the hordes of Russians moving in on your position. Simply being able to interact with the environment in my most natural way (shooting shit) made the scene far more immersive than it would have been if I had just been a spectator controlling a camera. Infinity Ward understands that and doesn't take the power to shoot away from you very often or for very long. I've not seen any evidence that Treyarch has learned this lesson. Nor Valve or Rock Star or Epic or just about any company that has attempted to utilize the Half-Life style of story telling in their games.

I still regard CoD4 as being one of the best mix of story and gameplay I've ever seen (lots of games have had better stories, but none as well-told in my opinion). Most games load up the cinematics with the necessary bits of plot. While Half-Life (and to a less extent Bioshock) relied too heavily on the locked room mechanic, as some NPC slowly explained the plot to us in what was essentially an impossible to skip cut-scene (see also Black Ops' infamous Pentagon scene), which might be more immersive than a cut-scene, but is also far, far, far more boring. CoD4's story, while simple, just unfolded from gameplay in a way I've not seen before or since; but Infinity Ward has always has always been extremely good at constructing strong set-pieces that play all the required emotions of the story masterfully.

Having played Quantum Of Solace, the first half of CoD 3, and the demos for WaW and Black Ops... I've never felt that same level of immersion from Treyarch. I might know what I'm doing and why it's important, but they're simply not as good at constructing the necessary set pieces to make me feel it.