BiscuitTrouser said:
"Evil succeeds when good men do nothing," I am well aware of quotes regarding human morality. 10 minutes on this website alone and you can find massive support for both good and evil. Most of it is condescending attitudes from people talking down to people.
I am well aware that the world has good and evil in it and didn't really need you to say it 4 times in a circle as, if you read your post, you did.
So thank you for talking down to me, thus supporting my point that people are inherently c**ts.
Yes you can find examples of good as easily as I can find bad, google works wonders in that regard, scale however would be different and I do not doubt you would present a kitten saved from a tree when I present Po pot's massacres.
I can tell now that our discussion is simply going to go in a circle because I will keep making my point, you will make yours and it will be very boring in about 4-7 posts.
So I will say Kudos, etc.
Anthony Abney said:
"no part of humanity that I believe in" So you don't believe in yourself?
"support groups like Oxfam are corrupt" You don't need support groups to help those who need it, you just have to find and help them yourself
"when was the last time you saw someone go out of their way to help stranger when nothing was to be gained from it?" When was the last time YOU went out of YOUR way to help a stranger? Don't wait for others to do good things, do them yourself.
MY life motto is: If you don't like the way things are, don't sit there and complain, get up and do something about it.
I see you subscribe to the school of, quote someone, paragraph and reply to it in small manageable pieces.
*yawn* fine let's see what you present.
You're damn right I don't believe in myself, I know enough about myself and what I am to accept and admit that I am corrupt and evil. Human nature is chaos, selfishness and destruction. A brief look at any decade you choose in our history will back that up.
Oxfam claims to feed thousands of starving people in Africa every year. If your self righteous theory is even half true or accurate please show me photos of yourself in Africa feeding the starving out of your own pocket. You wanted to be literal? Lets be literal.
As for me going out of my way to help people? I fail to see why I should. As previously stated. I don't expect much from mankind therefore I don't contribute. Although if you want an example. This weekend just gone was the Munera event at Maelstrom (LARP society) and I provided a tent for 2 girls to sleep in and my friend and I paid for the food on the 1st night without any expectations or demands. You know what we got in return?
They treated us both like shit, ran off to hang out with other guys thus ditching us as part of their team and caused damage to our property we didn't even get a "sorry" for.
Your life motto is nice words but Practical? not even close. How can you end wars in other lands? end starvation and save children from the lives they are in?
Its a physical impossibility because to save humanity from itself you have to take away their free will to stop them killing each other and when you do that you become the bad guy and will subsequently be murdered for your efforts.
Its all an exercise in futility in the end, you get a B- for effort.
Baby Tea said:
Dragunai said:
Hahaha, Humanity is a word that, with every passing day, applies less and less to our species.
Look at the Holocaust, 9/11 and now the Oslo tragedy.
Let's look at the Holocaust: Yes, millions of people were slaughtered by a cruel, ruthless regime.
You know what also happened? Many countries, religions, and ethnicities stood
together and beat back that regime. Many people, my grandfather included, hid Jews at great personal risk (Some died for it) because they knew what was happening was horrifically wrong.
Out of one of the world's greatest tragedies, came an unparalleled unity.
Let's look at 9/11: A few radical Muslims crash planes into the World Trade Center towers. over 2,000 people lost their lives.
And American patriotism, unity, and self sacrifice once again came to the surface. Many people died on 9/11 because
they were running into the buildings to save people. People risked their lives to help, when they certainly didn't have to. Many people tragically died that day, and it brought New York together in ways never seen before.
You cite horrific events as if there is no 'other side'. People, like myself, have faith in humanity because we see what people do in the event of tragedy, not just what caused it in the first place. You're 100% correct that there have been some horrible things committed by people. I cannot deny that. But what you are totally losing sight of is what did people do because of it. Who stood up? Who fought back? Who lent a hand? People. Humanity.
Cynicism about humanity isn't a 'worldly' worldview.
It's based on half told stories, and half remembered history.
You know, if anything would make me 'lose faith' in humanity, it isn't the violent or horrible actions of the few. It would be the inaction of the many.
Britain joined WW2 because Germany was giving it some dirty looks they didn't approve of. France was pulled into the war as was many others. America joined later because they heard there was a scrap and Christ knows if America isn't fighting someone elses war they aren't existing.
They banded together because they were fighting Russia, a technologically and martially superior Germany and the Japanese. If they didn't unite they would be speaking German as a primary language now.
They may have done it under the flag of freedom and other ideals people spout when trying to save face but it was an alliance of necessity, little more. People helped hide the Jews for legit reasons. I can't deny that when I watched The Pianist I was touched by the story and it did stick with me for a long time.
Doesn't change the reasons for the Governments actions though. They did the same thing every powerful nation does in a war. Tried to put it in someone elses Garden to avoid their own getting dirty.
American patriotism simply turned into the invasions in the Middle east, which subsequently saw mass protests from their homeland and the UK telling them to fuck off. Something like 4000 US and 500 UK soldiers have met their maker in this war to achieve.... well nothing really. Nothing good has come of any of it. A part from a lot of families having to bury their loved ones on both sides.
*sigh* I never claimed my view was worldly and I can assure you I have spent enough time looking at human kind to know my history and information isn't half baked but thank you for talking down to me. I must remember that when I am bringing my opinion up that all the righteous and pure people who are good will automatically become VERY condescending toward me should I dare utter my words that define reality and not some wonderful fantasy to escape into.
Dr Snakeman said:
Dragunai said:
Wow... everything you said was just so incredibly stupid. "Whaaa, some bad stuff happened! That means that people are evil and I hate them all. Except me, of course, because I know that
I'm not like that."
I'm not going to take the time to respond to you, because your little emo rant isn't worth it. I just want you to know how wrong you are, and how imperative it is that you reconsider your outlook on life before you graduate high school. If you don't, then you are going to have one sorry existence.
So you're response to my view is to insult me, denigrate my view and talk down to me?
How wonderfully ironic. Of course I would love you to point out where and when I claimed to be above it all. I think someone is only half reading a statement then rushing to hurl insults to look superior. Too bad that backfired and just propped my point up even higher.
I'm not wrong, I'm not emo and frankly I think you need to go somewhere far away with your petty, small minded insults because the adults are trying to have a discussion here.
There's a good chap.
R Not all of humanity is bad.
