why do people like bioware games so much?

[redeemer09]

an impenetrable story with many, many plot holes, bad writing where alot of the background is in the pause menu rather than weaved into the story

have you been doing beth young man?

 

[redeemer09]

plot holes are nearly non existent in bioware games.thats obsidians job

 

[Kahunaburger]

plot holes crashes to desktop are nearly non existent in bioware games.thats obsidians job

Bioware's quite capable of bringing the plot holes.

TIM: Hello, Shepard
S: Hello, Bond villain voiced by Martin Sheen.
TIM: Do you want to work for my hilariously evil terrorist organization despite the fact you have no reason to do so?
S: You are probably going to stab me in the back the first chance you get. But I'll work for you, because the writers decided to avoid branching plotlines in this game. (+2 Paragon.)

 

[Cyrax987]

so, i've been trying to figure htis out for a while about why people think the mass effect trilogy and dragon age 1 were such great games. whennever i think about them i think they have bad locations that don't feel as epic as they're trying to be made out, an impenetrable story with many, many plot holes, bad writing where alot of the background is in the pause menu rather than weaved into the story, akward conversation options and bland, boring gameplay.

i understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you enjoyed all of biowares games then good for you, but it seems EVERYONE thinks bioware is one of the greatest game makers of all time

Just like it seems everyone likes every Call of Duty game. Minority is the loudest and most of the time when I see a huge following of people that love all the Bioware games is on their forums. Its the internet so of course its easier to find more people that like a certain company's games.

In real life I have about actually three friends total that even know who Bioware is and two that actually like Bioware's games. Call of Duty on the other hand it seems everyone at my work loves the games since I get asked every year if I'm buying the new Call of Duty game.

 

[legendp]

so, i've been trying to figure htis out for a while about why people think the mass effect trilogy and dragon age 1 were such great games. whennever i think about them i think they have bad locations that don't feel as epic as they're trying to be made out, an impenetrable story with many, many plot holes, bad writing where alot of the background is in the pause menu rather than weaved into the story, akward conversation options and bland, boring gameplay.

i understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you enjoyed all of biowares games then good for you, but it seems EVERYONE thinks bioware is one of the greatest game makers of all time

Have you played mass effect 2 from begging to end?

Your opinion, I disagree with you, mass effect 2 in my eyes has the best story in any video game ever (portal 2 and halo reach close behind) and the soundtrack is epic. as for menues, I like how they basically removed that from mass effect 2. and location, mass effect 2 is based around the galaxy, not just one location and it manages to make you feel immersed in a potentially real environment. I don't really like dragon age and mass effect 1 was a bit slow (if you only played the first half hour of it you probably will not have liked it)

 

[legendp]

plot holes crashes to desktop are nearly non existent in bioware games.thats obsidians job

Bioware's quite capable of bringing the plot holes.

TIM: Hello, Shepard
S: Hello, Bond villain voiced by Martin Sheen.
TIM: Do you want to work for my hilariously evil terrorist organization despite the fact you have no reason to do so?
S: You are probably going to stab me in the back the first chance you get. But I'll work for you, because the writers decided to avoid branching plotlines in this game. (+2 Paragon.)

he worked for cerebus because they gave him valuable Intel

 

[redeemer09]

plot holes crashes to desktop are nearly non existent in bioware games.thats obsidians job

Bioware's quite capable of bringing the plot holes.

TIM: Hello, Shepard
S: Hello, Bond villain voiced by Martin Sheen.
TIM: Do you want to work for my hilariously evil terrorist organization despite the fact you have no reason to do so?
S: You are probably going to stab me in the back the first chance you get. But I'll work for you, because the writers decided to avoid branching plotlines in this game. (+2 Paragon.)

oh yeah totaly ignore hes surrounded by CEREBRUS operatives 24/7,totaly ignore they brought him back to life. gave him a ship, crew,dossiers to the toughest team ever brought together.there absolutely no reason any person to accept help from tim.its called a mutual relationship. you kno when two people decide for the best of both partys to join teams. to tel you the truth, in shepard shoes i wouldv'e done the same thing

 

[legendp]

he worked for cerebus because they gave him valuable Intel (sorry for double post)

 

[Kahunaburger]

he worked for cerebus because they gave him valuable Intel

Yeah, no other way Shep could have got that information.

oh yeah totaly ignore hes surrounded by CEREBRUS operatives 24/7,

That's a solvable problem, especially if you're Shep.

totaly ignore they brought him back to life. gave him a ship, crew,dossiers to the toughest team ever brought together.

And it would actually make more sense if Shep basically said "thanks for the stuff, suckaaaaa!" and went back to the Alliance.

there absolutely no reason any person to accept help from tim.its called a mutual relationship. you kno when two people decide for the best of both partys to join teams. to tel you the truth, in shepard shoes i wouldv'e done the same thing

Well, no reason other than the whole "bond villain" thing. And the "hilariously evil terrorist organization" thing. And the "for some origins, wiped out Shep's entire unit on Akuze" thing.

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

Bioware only made two good games: Shattered Steel and MDK2.

 

[Tien Shen]

Because Bioware games have memorable engaging characters and stories, meaningful plot-altering choices (except DA2) and better gameplay depth than the slew of generic shooters that have flooded the market. Admittedly I was a big fan of shooters in the past, but after COD:BO I got very bored because very little has changed with pure shooters in the years since COD4. I say pure shooters to distinguish them from RPGs like Fallout 3 and NV that can be played like shooters but are RPGs for the most part.

Also Bioware have stood out as one of the best WRPG makers out there. My great fear is that they are starting to streamline their games more to appeal to a broader market, ie casual gamers who IMO aren't exactly avid RPG fans to begin with. I cringe when I hear BW say they are taking cues from Gears of War and Halo when they talk about what they are working on for ME3 when I don't want anything to do with those overrated series. Also with DA2 they goofed badly and I could only ever stomach one playthrough, compared to the 5 playthroughs I did on DA1.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Spoiler: Plothole Example: (Fallout 3 Spoiler!)

In Fallout 3 additional super-mutants are created by taking captured humans to Vault 87 and exposing them to FEV. However, in the game world, the surface entrance to the vault is bathed in deadly levels of radiation. So how do the super-mutants get their captives into the vault without them dying of radiation sickness?

Not really a plot hole, but I can think of an inconsistency that appears much earlier on in the game, during the tutorial as a matter of fact...the PIP-Boy glove.

It's mentioned numerous times that the glove and PIP-Boy cannot be taken off right? So how does the Lone Wanderer manage to put on various gloves from different armour pieces (like Power Armour) without removing the PIP-Boy or glove? Not to mention the whole idea of never being able to take it off is just stupid.

OT: Why is that whenever someone mentions not liking Bioware they only mention the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series? They have made other games you know?

 

[F4LL3N]

I don't like Bioware games at all.

-Boring and cliche storylines, which wouldn't be a problem if they were actually good.
-Bland characters. Not terrible, but nothing at all special about them.
-Below average graphics.
-Crap choice making.
-Completely horrible and awkward gameplay. This is their biggest sin of all.

 

[legendp]

yeah he may have found out that info on his own but then he probably would have been too late to horizon and at the end of mass effect 2 (spoiler) if you be a full paragon sheperd walks away from cerebus.

 

[Kahunaburger]

yeah he may have found out that info on his own but then he probably would have been too late to horizon and at the end of mass effect 2 (spoiler) if you be a full paragon sheperd walks away from cerebus.

And Shepard knows this how, exactly? Has Shep read the walkthrough?

 

[legendp]

(sorry for double post)

 

[J-dog42]

Yea I tried Mass Effect and only got like half way through before I got bored. But other people are allowed to like it. It really doesn't hurt me in any way.

 

[legendp]

I am not saying he would have but it is explained that cerebus wants to catch the collectors on a planet off guard and in sheperds shoes you have been out of the loop for 2 years and you need allies, you would have to know that any contacts you had could have dissapered

 

[Sixcess]

Bioware's quite capable of bringing the plot holes.

TIM: Hello, Shepard
S: Hello, Bond villain voiced by Martin Sheen.
TIM: Do you want to work for my hilariously evil terrorist organization despite the fact you have no reason to do so?
S: You are probably going to stab me in the back the first chance you get. But I'll work for you, because the writers decided to avoid branching plotlines in this game. (+2 Paragon.)

I thought of it more like this.

TIM: Hello, Shepard.
S: Hello, Mr President!

The Illusive Man is voiced by President Bartlet. How can he not be trustworthy?

Besides, the Alliance were useless in the first game. I imagine Shepard would be glad to work with someone, anyone, who already believed that the Reapers were still a threat.

OT: Can't stand Dragon Age but really like the Mass Effect Series. They're well written and very polished, often funny, and shamelessly crowd pleasing. Really, Shepard's entire character 'arc' might as well be summarised as "Shepard does awesome stuff then gets some alien loving then does more awesome stuff." It's a weirdly naive approach to character development but it works because it's fun. Let the rest of the cast do the drama and the deep dark secrets stuff - Shepard is half Kirk, half Picard and all Flash Gordon.

And as someone said earlier in the thread, Bioware actually can write likeable characters, unlike in say Fallout 3, where everyone I met without exception was a stiff backed, dead eyed dickhead that I just wanted to murder to shut them up.

 

[rreetteepp]

Because not everyone agrees with you? Hows that so hard to understand?

if not everyone aggreed with me, i'd be fine. my point is that EVERYONE loves them and just ignores the plot holes and bland gameplay.

I dont see the plot holes and bland gameplay, and im one of those people who love to point out plot holes and enjoy it when avid fans of the movie or game try and defend it with no hope... but i cant see any plot holes in mass effect and if there are there so trivial that it would just be being finikey to bring them up... also i dont know what you mean by bland gameplay, i dont really have alot to rebuttle that with im not really a gameplay expert but i never saw the gameplay as bland.

and dont worry if you see a terrible game where everyone else see's a super unstopable mega game, you have a diffrent taste to other people thats fine, as a great man once said 'variety is the spice of life'... also dont bring up that you hate it to people who love it or youll probebly get the response you got here in this forum