Zombie_Fish said:
Fun fact: Jazz music originally started out as music played in strip clubs and brothels. People would go out and watch strippers whilst listening to it and getting very drunk before sleeping with random prostitues that night, though I'm guessing you don't hate jazz as much as what you have written for dubstep.
You got a source for this? I assume it's a doctoral thesis you're writing or something, intending to suggest a new origin for jazz than -all- scholarly literature to date? Really, source this or sit down, because it's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard.
Jazz music originally started as ragtime; music intended to challenge a world of pianists (see: most people in the middle and upper class) who could play every Prelude they read - for non-musicians, most University music graduates will be able to play perhaps half of the Preludes, and sight-read none of them. Ragtime was popularised, not through performance, but through distribution of sheet music.
The blues/square type music from the African American communities in the south was being increasingly influenced by both sacred harmony (the reason blues even took to a chord progression) and the syncopation of ragtime. In New Orleans, this lead to a funeral tradition we still see today with heavily syncopated and half-swung rhythms played by the 'second line' bands. This music began to be incorporated into Minstrel shows and became (arguably simultaneously really; all the same origins) 'Dixie' music. 'Dixie' became more ordered and arranged as classically trained composers began to arrange for the bands, and seeking to effect the same broadness of tone, needed certain instruments with different timbre and range. This became Big Band swing, which we have good enough recordings to ensure is easily playable today.
It's more questionable what happened from there as the recording ban of the 1940s stopped us tracking progress, but the general consensus is that a lot of white musicians played in the Big Bands; very good at reading the dots (lots of ex-army musicians etc) but the black musicians felt they couldn't 'keep up' with their musicality. So to prove this, when they had 'jam' nights, the (black) house band would call out tunes in incredibly difficult keys, and up the tempo to the point of ridiculousness to show up the white musicians. Thus Bop (what most people would recognise as jazz) was born.
Alphonse_Lamperouge said:
when people refer to dubstep as ''music'', i am personally offended as a musician. there is no talent or artistry involved. if you search on youtube ''how to make dubstep'', the first video will show you how in under 5 minutes. its really that easy to be a DJ, if you have ever owned an Ipod your basically there. in my country we have a name for people that live for dubstep and are out at clubs every-night, picking up chiiiicks and generally living life to the MAX-treme...
''bogans''
You're obviously failing as a musician then. You have to open your horizons. There are people who are completely without talent, as there are in ALL genres (jazz, metal, pop, even classical) - though we should always wonder what they owe their success to. Then there are people who aren't. People who are making incredible (possibly esoteric, but so what? All musical innovation starts as esotericism) sound out of their love for something which may not even have a name yet. -That- is musicality, artistry, and the only type of talent that actually matters.
When I hear good dubstep, it's almost indistinguishable from good jazz. It's rhythmically brilliant, harmonically effective and thoroughly inspiring. It doesn't inspire the same things [every time] but it's damned effective at inspiring what it was bred for. And what's that? A good night out, a euphoric high, and if you want, a complete mind****.
