Why do People love Valve so much?

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Gameguy20100

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Gameguy20100 said:
As I surf the web waiting for my gargoyles Episode to Buffer I have to wonder why do people seem to love Valve for everything I don't get it.
Valve are "loved" - respected is a better term in this case, but I'll roll with your phrasing - for a few very simple reasons that are easy to overlook if you don't care much about how companies treat games. No, they don't produce many games. No, their games are not in particularly innovative. Yes, Steam is DRM. However, Valve is a publisher who;

* First and foremost, they treat their customers with respect. Do you want to know what the key difference between Steam and Origin is? Try getting EA's customer service to actually help you. That's it - Steam is DRM, but it's not particularly invasive and the company behind it actually likes your business.

* Second, the games they do make are pretty good. They wont blow your mind - but they a well written, well made and utilise their mechanics well. Portal key mechanic was done early, but Portal just plays so damn well.

* Third, they actually understand gamers. Do you think another publisher would have made even one Portal game - let alone a sequel?

There are some other reasons, but those are the broad strokes.
I have never had a Problem from them Maybe you have I don't know I'm only speaking from personal exp.

EA makes good games so does ubisoft Bethesda Thq 2kgames and Bioware but people still hate them for stuff Valve Is the only company I have seen that gets away with anything.

Nobody understands gamers man most of the time they dont know what they want I mean I asked people "well what would be a better ending to ME3" they are lost they can't tell me anything, and portal wasnt that great it was fun yea but I don't see the gem encrusted golden grail I was told it was.
 

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I have never had a Problem from them Maybe you have I don't know I'm only speaking from personal exp.

EA makes good games so does ubisoft Bethesda Thq 2kgames and Bioware but people still hate them for stuff Valve Is the only company I have seen that gets away with anything.

Nobody understands gamers man most of the time they dont know what they want I mean I asked people "well what would be a better ending to ME3" they are lost they can't tell me anything, and portal wasnt that great it was fun yea but I don't see the gem encrusted golden grail I was told it was.
I've had to contact EA's customer support quite often - and it's never been a pleasant experience. I've not had to access to content I've paid $100 for because of account errors on their part which, after many attempts, was never actually fixed. EA's customer service is infamously bad, and their business practices feel like they were directed by an empty suit with aspirations of being a super villain.

Yes, most publishing companies which last past a couple of titles have put out a decent game - nobody is saying otherwise. I never said these things were unique to Valve, only that they are the reasons that people really like the company.

What, exactly, is Valve getting away with? You've brought up micro-transactions but - as other people here have pointed out - it's not micro-transactions alone that people get upset about. It's how they're implemented, particularly when it becomes "pay to win". A Google search should bring up some decent articles explain the issue better that I ever could. For the purposes of this post; I'll just leave it at Valve doesn't do that.

You know why you can get a single answer out of "gamers"? Because, as a group, we're entirely diverse and our only common link is our hobby. It's like wondering why all move-goers can't come up with a general consensus. Mass Effect 3's ending is a particularly poor example anyway - because their are plenty of well thought out and comprehensive criticisms.

...I'm not even sure how to address your point on Portal. It's not a mind-blowing game that many more dramatic reviewers claim, but why it's loved should be pretty obvious. It's well written, funny and with well polished game play. It doesn't outstay it's welcome either.
 

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Yes most of them require Steam to play hell even games not owned by Valve require Steam these days and I Really dislike that so I don't Accept the "EA games require Origin" complaint Because people don't care when Steam does it.
But I've already got most of my PC games on Steam. I don't want another shitty DRM platform taking up space on my PC just so I can play Mass Effect.
 

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Genocidicles said:
Gameguy20100 said:
Yes most of them require Steam to play hell even games not owned by Valve require Steam these days and I Really dislike that so I don't Accept the "EA games require Origin" complaint Because people don't care when Steam does it.
But I've already got most of my PC games on Steam. I don't want another shitty DRM platform taking up space on my PC just so I can play Mass Effect.
I got the physical Disk I don't want some shitty DRM platform taking up space just so I can play Tomb Raider
 

Da Orky Man

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Reasons why Da Orky Man is somewhat fond of Valve:

- Steam sales makes Orky happy.
- They really are very good at making games.
- Steam as DRM is well done, giving me an infinite number of downloads and allowing me to play offline.
- The way they act towards customers is more informal than other companies, which if done right, Orky rather likes.
 

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Gameguy20100 said:
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Because when steam started it up, it didn't contain spyware and Valve don't have a habit of blocking access to all your games because you swore on the forums. (I'm pretty sure that happened to a user on here, actually).


Valve seems to have a good work ethic, Steam is a nice piece of software, regularly offers good deals and i find the UI pleasant and easy to find my way around. Infact, Nowadays i find myself only buying games on/with steam so i can have the added functionality of of a file verifier, the in-game overlay and easy access to the various community hubs.

Gameguy20100 said:
Yes most of them require Steam to play hell even games not owned by Valve require Steam these days and I Really dislike that so I don't Accept the "EA games require Origin" complaint Because people don't care when Steam does it.
Tough luck pall, times a changing and if you really object to Valve & Steam, move to consoles.
I buy my games Physically Digital distribution has never appealed to me I read the Steam service agreement It blatantly told me I do not own the games I buy on there.
I buy a license to the game that means that Valve could wipe my entire Library and just because, and they would have every right to do so I agreed to it I can't sign that thing and pitch a big rant about greed or whatever, I would be the same Idiot who was protesting Mass effect 3!!


And why move to consoles? I'm a hybrid Always have been It makes the most sense if you think about it.

I'm fully aware of the fact i don't "own" my games as such, but i have no concerns of Valve just taking my games away, because they have never done it before, and i see no reason why they would. Neither am i paranoid that the "big cooperate baddies" are going to suddenly revoke all our licensees for no given reason. Hell, even if you cheat your ass off on TF2 or CS or something, And get yourself a full VAC ban Valve still give you access to your games.

So far, when it comes to adding games that are "nothing to do with valve" it has brought only good things. With the example of Skyrim, you get the workshop which makes modding your game a kabillion times easier.


Captcha : moot point

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Da Orky Man said:
Reasons why Da Orky Man is somewhat fond of Valve:

- Steam sales makes Orky happy.
- They really are very good at making games.
- Steam as DRM is well done, giving me an infinite number of downloads and allowing me to play offline.
- The way they act towards customers is more informal than other companies, which if done right, Orky rather likes.
 

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I always got the impression people love them not because they are great but because so many other major studios are constantly trying to either gouge money or control what people can or can't do with their games. In some ways it is sad that they are praised for being the least shitty and not being assholes. It is like throwing me a party for not murdering everyone as if it wasn't a preset standard.
 

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Gameguy20100 said:
I got the physical Disk I don't want some shitty DRM platform taking up space just so I can play Tomb Raider
You could always just use an anti drm crack.
 

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latiasracer said:
Da Orky Man said:
Reasons why Da Orky Man is somewhat fond of Valve:

- Steam sales makes Orky happy.
- They really are very good at making games.
- Steam as DRM is well done, giving me an infinite number of downloads and allowing me to play offline.
- The way they act towards customers is more informal than other companies, which if done right, Orky rather likes.
that guy looks very familer where have I seen him before? *scratches chin in thought*
 

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Why people like Valve:
- Steam is a convenient tool to buy, install and play games. I suppose you can technically view it as DRM but unlike EA or Blizzard it works all the time. Plus I seriously doubt that one day Valve will take everybody's games away unless the company goes completely bankrupt.
- Their games are extremely well-made, even if some of their multiplayer games are a less accessible than, say, Call of Duty
- They have a good image. One often gets the impression that Valve executives understand gamers and don't just view them as floating piles of money.
 

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I'd more inclined against Valve if most arguments against them weren't fairly retarded:

- Why do i have to install Steam to play non-valve games?
It's not Valve's decision if other developers/publishers want to use the Steam platform.

- I don't own the games, Valves could take them away at any moment!
The same applies to physical games as well. You don't own the software, you own a license to use it and a disk that contains it. If the developers withdraws your license to play your disc-based game, you're breaking copyright law if you install the game from your disk. If Valve withdraws the rights to play the games i've bought, i'll have no problem breaking the copyright by pirating the game, just as you'll have no problem breaking the copyright by installing the game from the disk anyway.

- Sure, Valve have released some good games before, but not in ages! Valve hardly ever releases games!
Google, use it. Nearly all games released by Valve have fairly large followings at worst, and ridiculous levels of critical acclaim at best.

- Steam is DRM!
Game developers have the right to protect their games with DRM. The problems for us consumers arise when the DRM becomes intrusive. Once you're used to Steam being on your system, it's utterly, utterly unobtrusive.

Then there's all the arguments about steam loading up on start-up, or advertisements all over the place, or always-online. There are options in Steam for all of these things.

Steam has it's issues, but as a company Valve are extremely customer friendly, and in a world of EA, Activision and Ubisoft, a lot of gamers will support the publishers/developers that don't seem like they're just out to remove our cash from our wallets through whatever means necessary. They come across as a games company that is involved in the business both because they want to make money and because they like video games, compared to companies like EA, which are essentially run by shareholders only involved in the industry for the former reason.

Add all this to a generally strong library of games and a constant stream of great sales and you've got yourself a fairly popular video games company.
 

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It's not just about what they do. It's more about how they do it. It's true that Steam can be considered DRM and TF2 transactions are microtransactions. But like I said, it's not about what, it's about how. Their way of doing business is convinient to their customers. It has customers in mind as actual living beings worthy of respect, not just wallets that need to be emptied. That's why people love Valve. It's one of the very few gaming companies that is completely run by actual gamers, instead of suits with a business degree.
 

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Actually here's the wierd thing. First answer this question for yourself, you dont need to post it, just think about it and then give a honest answer: If you had the choice, would you rather have all your games in one location on a digital distribution platform (with all the potential problems that could lead to) or would you prefer just going to the store, buying a box and owning that box and the game until the end of time?

Steam is essentially a necessary evil at this point. Why you may wonder? Well since it becomes increasingly common that games require either steam or some other digital distribution/DRM method, then there is nothing to be done about it other than not buying whatever game requires it. But yet why is steam more popular than the other alternatives?

Simple, the lesser of many evils (we got more than 2 digital distribution platforms). If you are forced to have one of them, and for the sake of the example i shall use 3, Uplay, Origin and Steam. Which would you pick? You have to have one, so you cant say "neither", but you can pick one out of those 3, which would you take? The answer is probably always going to be steam, why? Because here's what Steam offers that effectively sets it apart from the other 2 choices. Origin sells mainly EA games, Uplay sells mainly Ubisoft games. Steam sells a ton of games, from both those companies and many others.

Just for the sake of convinience, Steam wins because you can buy more games over it than any other service currently available. Add to that daily, mid-week and weekend sales, along with summer and christmas sales which basicly reduce either one, several or the giant catalog of games in price up to 75%. Also Steam/Valve has a habit of treating you fairly for the most part, while it is DRM, it at least offers something in return, namely good sales all year and community features.

Of course there are more services available, say for example GOG. But while they do not "include DRM" so to speak, is that service not also a form of DRM? In the end, do they not also verify that you bought the game from them? Granted, they do not use invasive measures for it, no always-online, starforce or somesuch, but when you get down to it, its all DRM. DRM starts already when you get the reciept from buying a boxed copy. It is proof that you legally purchased the game. So in the end, GOG is about the same as Steam, its a distributor that verifies through your purchase that you purchased it, but does nothing beyond that. Since alot of steam games do not require you to even be active in steam, other than register through it, much the same as GOG does, you cant get a game from them without paying them for it first, which is basicly the same thing.

Its why Steam and GOG are popular, its DRM, but its the least annoying one possible. You dont have to jump through several hoops for them and you arent really at risk of suddenly losing access to all your games. There is a risk but its at least minimal.
 

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They're mellow.

That's all I can really say about Valve. They make nice games and don't come across as giant dicks, salivating at the prospect of fingering money out of your wallet.
 

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Things like how Steam generally doesn't treat us like crap, discounts our products because they're digital or in some other way incentivises buying a digital copy instead of a phsyical one.
Unless of course your in Australia, where in which they still charge 80-100 dollars for a video game, even though the Aussie dollar has been above or equal to the American dollar for quite a while. Or how they have yet to even show any signs of going back to the classification board so as that Australians can play Left 4 Dead 2 with full gore (the R18+ rating was passed in February I believe).

So yeah, I don't hate or love Valve, they're just a company that supplies some services/games that I enjoy using. Personally I prefer EA over Valve, but that's just because I enjoy most of their products more so than Valve. Basically I'm saying Valve is an okay company in my eyes, that's my opinion, you're welcome to agree or disagree if you all want to.