Why do people say that the British didn't do a thing in WW2?

[rt052192]

Britain did do alot, but the americans and russians did most of the work according to my american-based education

Cut out the 'American' part. Wherever you get your education is one of the countries that helped, I of-course got the 'BRITAIN DID EVERYTHING!' speech from my teacher, although the Russians are the only ones who deserve this whole hype.

cut out the american part!? was it not the americans that for the most part liberated North Africa, Italy, and France!? How can you possibly claim that america did not have a substantial effect on the war. Not to mention the fact that we supplied the Brits when we were neutral, so therefore, America did come in and save the day.

As for the Russians, it was the RUSSIAN WINTER and Hitler's tactical blunders that saved Russia, not the disgrace of an army that was the Red Army. The Red Army only had manpower and Stalin to keep it running.

The axis forces took 77% of their casualties on the Eastern front.

Yes, cut out the American part.


Everything you just said to me was also told to me by my History teacher, with America replaced by 'Britain' and was probably told by the Polish History teacher.

its fact though, Hitler made the same mistake as Napoleon: invade Russia during the winter. They ran out of supplies and were ill-suited to the conditions. All im saying is that Russia lost ALOT of men and outside factors, not russian military superiority, was what decided the outcome on the Eastern Front. Had AMERICA not re-opened the western front, Russia would have gotten bent over.

I redirect you to the chart above I posted, Yugoslavia was more help than Britain and America.

how do military DEATHS account for anything? if anything it shows how effective and efficient the americans were.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Britain did do alot, but the americans and russians did most of the work according to my american-based education

Cut out the 'American' part. Wherever you get your education is one of the countries that helped, I of-course got the 'BRITAIN DID EVERYTHING!' speech from my teacher, although the Russians are the only ones who deserve this whole hype.

cut out the american part!? was it not the americans that for the most part liberated North Africa, Italy, and France!? How can you possibly claim that america did not have a substantial effect on the war. Not to mention the fact that we supplied the Brits when we were neutral, so therefore, America did come in and save the day.

As for the Russians, it was the RUSSIAN WINTER and Hitler's tactical blunders that saved Russia, not the disgrace of an army that was the Red Army. The Red Army only had manpower and Stalin to keep it running.

The axis forces took 77% of their casualties on the Eastern front.

Yes, cut out the American part.


Everything you just said to me was also told to me by my History teacher, with America replaced by 'Britain' and was probably told by the Polish History teacher.

Germany was defeated by Hitler, truthfully. Many Generals claim that war is nothing more than making less mistakes than your opponent, and Hitler made mistakes in boat loads.

America, Russia, and Britain ALL had parts to play, and any of them failing would likely have had doomed the rest. Britain held the West together for long enough that American forces and supplies (used by Brits) could make a difference. Americans provided supplies and equipment to both Russia and Britain, providing the weapons needed to maintain fighting, and finally threw their own man power into the West that finally allowed for a continent wide attack. Russia crushed the most troops.

Three parts that could not be taken away. All three or a lose (I do not discount the other countries, such as Canada. I simply don;t have the time to make such a monster post, so I put up three).

 

[Cmwissy]

Britain did do alot, but the americans and russians did most of the work according to my american-based education

Cut out the 'American' part. Wherever you get your education is one of the countries that helped, I of-course got the 'BRITAIN DID EVERYTHING!' speech from my teacher, although the Russians are the only ones who deserve this whole hype.

cut out the american part!? was it not the americans that for the most part liberated North Africa, Italy, and France!? How can you possibly claim that america did not have a substantial effect on the war. Not to mention the fact that we supplied the Brits when we were neutral, so therefore, America did come in and save the day.

As for the Russians, it was the RUSSIAN WINTER and Hitler's tactical blunders that saved Russia, not the disgrace of an army that was the Red Army. The Red Army only had manpower and Stalin to keep it running.

The axis forces took 77% of their casualties on the Eastern front.

Yes, cut out the American part.


Everything you just said to me was also told to me by my History teacher, with America replaced by 'Britain' and was probably told by the Polish History teacher.

its fact though, Hitler made the same mistake as Napoleon: invade Russia during the winter. They ran out of supplies and were ill-suited to the conditions. All im saying is that Russia lost ALOT of men and outside factors, not russian military superiority, was what decided the outcome on the Eastern Front. Had AMERICA not re-opened the western front, Russia would have gotten bent over.

I redirect you to the chart above I posted, Yugoslavia was more help than Britain and America.

how do military DEATHS account for anything? if anything it shows how effective and efficient the americans were.

Well, I could link you to a chart with Deaths of Axis forces by the hands of each nation (the Soviets are at 77%, America and Britain are at 3%) But I thought this one more fitting to show sacrifice and people fighting as opposed to how many 'nazi scalps you can get.

 

[RanD00M]

P.s.I'm a british patriot (16) who lives in Iceland so the education here for history isn't exactly great.

I resent that statement.I myself am Icelandic,and I must say the the education for history here is excellent.We just don't cover WWII all that much,since we did nothing but ship supplies around.Sure,there were some Icelandic men that joined the Canadian army,but that's all we did in the combat department.

OT:I have never heard anyone say that Britain did nothing.I do believe that the allies would have been royally screwed over without them.Although when you think about it,the allies would have been screwed over if only one of them was left out.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Britain did do alot, but the americans and russians did most of the work according to my american-based education

Cut out the 'American' part. Wherever you get your education is one of the countries that helped, I of-course got the 'BRITAIN DID EVERYTHING!' speech from my teacher, although the Russians are the only ones who deserve this whole hype.

cut out the american part!? was it not the americans that for the most part liberated North Africa, Italy, and France!? How can you possibly claim that america did not have a substantial effect on the war. Not to mention the fact that we supplied the Brits when we were neutral, so therefore, America did come in and save the day.

As for the Russians, it was the RUSSIAN WINTER and Hitler's tactical blunders that saved Russia, not the disgrace of an army that was the Red Army. The Red Army only had manpower and Stalin to keep it running.

"Without American production the United Nations could never have won the war." - Stalin.

You can contribute a shit load without throwing all your soldiers on a sword.


The axis forces took 77% of their casualties on the Eastern front.

Yes, cut out the American part.


Everything you just said to me was also told to me by my History teacher, with America replaced by 'Britain' and was probably told by the Polish History teacher.

its fact though, Hitler made the same mistake as Napoleon: invade Russia during the winter. They ran out of supplies and were ill-suited to the conditions. All im saying is that Russia lost ALOT of men and outside factors, not russian military superiority, was what decided the outcome on the Eastern Front. Had AMERICA not re-opened the western front, Russia would have gotten bent over.

I redirect you to the chart above I posted, Yugoslavia was more help than Britain and America.

how do military DEATHS account for anything? if anything it shows how effective and efficient the americans were.

Well, I could link you to a chart with Deaths of Axis forces by the hands of each nation (the Soviets are at 77%, America and Britain are at 3%) But I thought this one more fitting to show sacrifice and people fighting as opposed to how many 'nazi scalps you can get.

"Without American production the United Nations could never have won the war." - Stalin

 

[rt052192]

Britain did do alot, but the americans and russians did most of the work according to my american-based education

Cut out the 'American' part. Wherever you get your education is one of the countries that helped, I of-course got the 'BRITAIN DID EVERYTHING!' speech from my teacher, although the Russians are the only ones who deserve this whole hype.

cut out the american part!? was it not the americans that for the most part liberated North Africa, Italy, and France!? How can you possibly claim that america did not have a substantial effect on the war. Not to mention the fact that we supplied the Brits when we were neutral, so therefore, America did come in and save the day.

As for the Russians, it was the RUSSIAN WINTER and Hitler's tactical blunders that saved Russia, not the disgrace of an army that was the Red Army. The Red Army only had manpower and Stalin to keep it running.

The axis forces took 77% of their casualties on the Eastern front.

Yes, cut out the American part.


Everything you just said to me was also told to me by my History teacher, with America replaced by 'Britain' and was probably told by the Polish History teacher.

its fact though, Hitler made the same mistake as Napoleon: invade Russia during the winter. They ran out of supplies and were ill-suited to the conditions. All im saying is that Russia lost ALOT of men and outside factors, not russian military superiority, was what decided the outcome on the Eastern Front. Had AMERICA not re-opened the western front, Russia would have gotten bent over.

I redirect you to the chart above I posted, Yugoslavia was more help than Britain and America.

how do military DEATHS account for anything? if anything it shows how effective and efficient the americans were.

Well, I could link you to a chart with Deaths of Axis forces by the hands of each nation (the Soviets are at 77%, America and Britain are at 3%) But I thought this one more fitting to show sacrifice and people fighting as opposed to how many 'nazi scalps you can get.

to start, bravo for the illusion to the rape of the native americans. whether the inclusion of scalps was used for that purpose, im not sure, but thats what i got out of it. Totally appropriate, and god bless Andrew Jackson and James K. Polk, my two favorite presidents, who initiated the Trail of Tears(Jackson) and Manifest Destiny(Polk) to their full potential, but now im off track...

The sheer amount of casualties does not compare with the mental and psychological factors the americans brought with them. They were the reinforcements for a Europe which desperately needed it. In the larger scope of things the Russians did more "work," but the americans got more work done i.e. Normandy, North Africa, France, Italy, and the little thing called the Pacific Theatre, which the Brits dropped the ball in.

 

[Cmwissy]

Britain did do alot, but the americans and russians did most of the work according to my american-based education

Cut out the 'American' part. Wherever you get your education is one of the countries that helped, I of-course got the 'BRITAIN DID EVERYTHING!' speech from my teacher, although the Russians are the only ones who deserve this whole hype.

cut out the american part!? was it not the americans that for the most part liberated North Africa, Italy, and France!? How can you possibly claim that america did not have a substantial effect on the war. Not to mention the fact that we supplied the Brits when we were neutral, so therefore, America did come in and save the day.

As for the Russians, it was the RUSSIAN WINTER and Hitler's tactical blunders that saved Russia, not the disgrace of an army that was the Red Army. The Red Army only had manpower and Stalin to keep it running.

"Without American production the United Nations could never have won the war." - Stalin.

You can contribute a shit load without throwing all your soldiers on a sword.


The axis forces took 77% of their casualties on the Eastern front.

Yes, cut out the American part.


Everything you just said to me was also told to me by my History teacher, with America replaced by 'Britain' and was probably told by the Polish History teacher.

its fact though, Hitler made the same mistake as Napoleon: invade Russia during the winter. They ran out of supplies and were ill-suited to the conditions. All im saying is that Russia lost ALOT of men and outside factors, not russian military superiority, was what decided the outcome on the Eastern Front. Had AMERICA not re-opened the western front, Russia would have gotten bent over.

I redirect you to the chart above I posted, Yugoslavia was more help than Britain and America.

how do military DEATHS account for anything? if anything it shows how effective and efficient the americans were.

Well, I could link you to a chart with Deaths of Axis forces by the hands of each nation (the Soviets are at 77%, America and Britain are at 3%) But I thought this one more fitting to show sacrifice and people fighting as opposed to how many 'nazi scalps you can get.

"Without American production the United Nations could never have won the war.

Just as without Yugoslavian men or Chinese men we couldn't have.

But America ofcourse comes before them.

 

[obex]

For the same reason everyone remembers about Hitler killing 6 million while Stalin killed between 20-60 million

 

[DefunctTheory]

Britain did do alot, but the americans and russians did most of the work according to my american-based education

Cut out the 'American' part. Wherever you get your education is one of the countries that helped, I of-course got the 'BRITAIN DID EVERYTHING!' speech from my teacher, although the Russians are the only ones who deserve this whole hype.

cut out the american part!? was it not the americans that for the most part liberated North Africa, Italy, and France!? How can you possibly claim that america did not have a substantial effect on the war. Not to mention the fact that we supplied the Brits when we were neutral, so therefore, America did come in and save the day.

As for the Russians, it was the RUSSIAN WINTER and Hitler's tactical blunders that saved Russia, not the disgrace of an army that was the Red Army. The Red Army only had manpower and Stalin to keep it running.

"Without American production the United Nations could never have won the war." - Stalin.

You can contribute a shit load without throwing all your soldiers on a sword.


The axis forces took 77% of their casualties on the Eastern front.

Yes, cut out the American part.


Everything you just said to me was also told to me by my History teacher, with America replaced by 'Britain' and was probably told by the Polish History teacher.

its fact though, Hitler made the same mistake as Napoleon: invade Russia during the winter. They ran out of supplies and were ill-suited to the conditions. All im saying is that Russia lost ALOT of men and outside factors, not russian military superiority, was what decided the outcome on the Eastern Front. Had AMERICA not re-opened the western front, Russia would have gotten bent over.

I redirect you to the chart above I posted, Yugoslavia was more help than Britain and America.

how do military DEATHS account for anything? if anything it shows how effective and efficient the americans were.

Well, I could link you to a chart with Deaths of Axis forces by the hands of each nation (the Soviets are at 77%, America and Britain are at 3%) But I thought this one more fitting to show sacrifice and people fighting as opposed to how many 'nazi scalps you can get.

"Without American production the United Nations could never have won the war.

Just as without Yugoslavian men or Chinese men we couldn't have.

But America ofcourse comes before them.

Sorry, that was meant to be a quote. FROM STALIN.

I never meant that America was the only, or the best. Trying to make a point that having the most deaths isn't the only measure of importance.

 

[GiantSpiderGoat]

Australia was used basically as Cannon Fodder in alot of British battles. Then when Australia was about to be invaded by Japan, the British did nothing. It's one of the reason in Australia that you will get racism towards British people. It use to be extreme in the 70's and 80's. Lucky America came and backed us up.

Australia also won a few decisive battles. They were the first to defeat the Japanese on land. There is a movie about it called Kokoda. The end bit of it is sweet.

 

[RanD00M]

For the same reason everyone remembers about Hitler killing 6 million while Stalin killed between 20-60 million

The problem with that is the fact that Hitler killed 6 millions jews.But 8 millions all in all.Or so I was told by someone who is a serious WWII nut.

 

[Snor]

I usually summarize the whole American, British and free French forces as "western allies", so no one gets left out.

canadians and polish are not going to like that!
my country fought valiantly till the end! for about 3 days XD then some of us teamed up with the germans to kill russians... oh glory that is WWII

edit: prolly somebody already told the above so i make no usefull contribution!!! yay for me

 

[Cmwissy]

Sorry, that was meant to be a quote. FROM STALIN.

I never meant that America was the only, or the best. Trying to make a point that having the most deaths isn't the only measure of importance.

Okay, then, here's another measure of importance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

Or perhaps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Australia_during_World_War_II

(inb4 Wikipedia bias)

Not to say that America did nothing, I would be ashamed of myself if I was to say that, however, I care very much about the truth, and Holy wood history (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AmericaWinsTheWar) is beginning to spread into real history.

to start, bravo for the illusion to the rape of the native americans. whether the inclusion of scalps was used for that purpose, im not sure, but thats what i got out of it. Totally appropriate, and god bless Andrew Jackson and James K. Polk, my two favorite presidents, who initiated the Trail of Tears(Jackson) and Manifest Destiny(Polk) to their full potential, but now im off track...

It was a quote from the satirical movie Inglorious basterds, I am sorry you misunderstood.

The sheer amount of casualties does not compare with the mental and psychological factors the americans brought with them.

I'm not quite sure what this means, I'm pretty sure America brought guns, not songs and poetry to deal with Europes mental deficiency.

(No, a psychological boost doesn't count in an argument)

They were the reinforcements for a Europe which desperately needed it. In the larger scope of things the Russians did more "work," but the americans got more work done

This is a very off-shoot form of the No True Scotsman fallacy, it implies that the work that the Chinese, Yugoslavian, Polish, Canadians and Russians did wasn't really 'work'

i.e. Normandy, North Africa, France, Italy

No arguments there, we needed help, and we got it, and we thank you, and you certainly saved the day however, you barely scratched the surface of the war.

and the little thing called the Pacific Theatre, which the Brits dropped the ball in.

Things like that seem to happen when your capital city is being bombed.

Yes, the Americas did have a massive part, ofcourse, nowhere near as massive as they make out to be.

Of-course, some of the more right-wing britons like to think they win ever war, too.

Australia was used basically as Cannon Fodder in alot of British battles. Then when Australia was about to be invaded by Japan, the British did nothing. It's one of the reason in Australia that you will get racism towards British people. It use to be extreme in the 70's and 80's. Lucky America came and backed us up.

Australia also won a few decisive battles. They were the first to defeat the Japanese on land. There is a movie about it called Kokoda. The end bit of it is sweet.

I can appreciate this, people often forget Australia and Canada the most when it comes down to it.

 

[Tharwen]

They also cracked the ENIGMA code, which was one of the most significant turning points of the war.

What pisses me off about this is what happened to Alan Turing afterwards. Underecognition much?

 

[Xanadu84]

Ive never heard that be said, and I live in America. No I'm not referring to any jingoistic tendencies of America, I'm referring to how no one would say that they didn't contribute, and anyone with a strong grasp of history couldn't try to say that Russia didn't sacrifice a lot for the war. So if an American was going to call anyone out for not contributing, it would be Britain, and I just don't see that happening. So I'm pretty sure it's an anomaly. Truth be told, if any of the major powers didn't do what they did, we would have been screwed. If Americans didn't prevent the Japanese from controlling everything, if the British didn't fight with the Nazis right next door, and if Russia didn't...be very cold, and make massive sacrifices to put Hitler down a notch, we would have been in trouble.

 

[PrototypeC]

I don't think that. I think they kicked solid amounts of ass not only on their own front, but sending their troops all over the place to aid countries that they didn't even have as official allies. My country didn't do as much!

 

[KaZZaP]

Probably been said before but I'm not going threw 7 pages. The real hero's of WW2 we're the Russians. They took on 80% of the German army while the eastern front only had 20% of the German army. After WW2 ended the cold war began and the US didn't want its people thinking that Russian could beat them so they brainwashed their citizens to think that the US we're the hero's and that no one could touch them. All other countries just get the shaft because AMERICA FUCK YEAH!