Why do people support Geohot?

[omega 616]

I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

 

[Aeshi]

It's Sony, people would probably support anything if it had the slightest chance of hurting them.

 

[lapan]

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If you cheat in online games, you are still going to get banned. The PC is a relatively free plattform and rarely do you so many hackers in online games. Many companies also run their own anti-cheat-Software like VAC for example.

The cheaters are a tiny minority even under pirates, because most pirates arenst stupid enough to go online with hacked Software.

Even if geohot himself is a juvenile idiot, i fully support his legal case. It's time the customer gets back his ownership on the Software and Hardware he purchases.

 

[chris89300]

I don't remember all the details, but didn't Geohot get his hands on the master key AFTER PS Jailbreak USB dongle was released?

Because, if it's the case, I've just invalidated all the posts that say he's helping piracy/cheating in games.

Thing is, people already had the PS3 cracked and some of them asked money for it. The thing didn't allow Other OS installs, the master key could allow them.

The reason people are able to cheat isn't because of all the evil pirates, it's because of lousy coded games. If people actually knew how cheating works, they wouldn't ***** about it so much.

Besides, most "cheats" are only some things people have figured out about the bad design and have nothing to do with code injection (which is what PS Jailbreak or the master key COULD allow). Take CS (Counter Strike) for example, years ago, everyone was cheating, now they figured out how to auto-ban people that use code injectors (which are basically tiny "programs" that modify the game's behavior).

Stop throwing the words "pirate", "cheater", "hacker" etc. around like that, it just proves you're buying Sony's bullshit.

If they don't want "hackers" cheating, they should ban them from PSN.

There are always going to be cheaters, suing them doesn't help, banning them does !


Also, yeah, Sony SUCKS. I bought the PSP and the thing was useless. I had to "hack" it to get it doing the things I wanted (VNC client).

How would you guys know that the Other OS function helps cheating/piracy ?
It doesn't, it's just the same as having a PC. Once you have a PC, you can do all the things that Other OS allows, and MORE.


You can't cheat with Other OS, simply because the Other OS thingy doesn't play ANY PS3 games.


Talking about cheaters is cute, but talking with no idea of what you're saying is trolling.


I say, go Geohot and fuck Sony! If they weren't such dicks, there wouldn't be any need to hack the damn thing.

 

[Dogstile]

So you're running a pc right?
For example's sake, I'm assuming you've a nice little Intel processor in it, that works on carrying out instructions from one of the programs installed on your fancy Seagate harddrive.

Now imagine you logging off to a "we have some updates waiting to install", going to bed and waking up tomorrow, booting it up, and seeing the message that Intel no longer supports Seagate harddrives. And for that matter, your harddrive is without an OS anyway, since Seagate no longer supports Windows, so that has been deleted.
After all, it's their machine. They can do with it what they want, right?

I'm sick of seeing people constantly bash this guy without actually understanding his motives.

Also, they have this nasty habit of accusing him of things he didn't do and attributing other unrelated hacks to him.

Childish pedantry at best.

I don't care what his motives are, he's breaking the law. He's violating the contract and encouraging piracy. None of these are good.

*FACEPALM*

What law? There is no contract he's violated, no law he has broken. The law say's its perfectly legal to jailbreak your hardware, that's what he's done.

I didn't realise people still thought piracy = bad and we should stop it now! It's just a buzzword thrown about to accuse people of shit they didn't do

 

[Kagim]

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If you cheat in online games, you are still going to get banned. The PC is a relatively free platform and rarely do you so many hackers in online games. Many companies also run their own anti-cheat-Software like VAC for example.

The cheaters are a tiny minority even under pirates, because most pirates aren't stupid enough to go online with hacked Software.

Even if geohot himself is a juvenile idiot, i fully support his legal case. It's time the customer gets back his ownership on the Software and Hardware he purchases.

I envy your optimism.

As i already said, i have no problem with people wanting to break there PS3's, that's fine with me. People do have the right to mod there property as long as they follow those two rules from above. That's totally fair and something people should fight for.

However, look at the situation.

Sony is basically a cornered, snarling, beast at the moment. If they lose the case what are the odds of the people calmly and maturely handling the situation.

As opposed to all the people supporting Geohot acting like juvenile idiots even further.

While god i hope people act maturely about this in the end i can't bring myself to think that without laughing. What i see instead is everyone who supported Geohot instantly logging in to do stupid shit just because. In essence, it's hard for me not to believe the majority of the people on his side won't do stupid shit out of pure spite.

Thus antagonizing Sony to do more stupid shit.

So on.

And So forth.

As said, i envy your optimism. I really do hope everyone treats the situation with maturatiy and respect.

However a quick brief glance at all the "WOOOOOO FUCK SONY! GO PRIATES GEOHOT!" from the other major threads doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

 

[Erana]

I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

I'd rather suffer in a video game than have corporations have a legal precedence to control every damn thing in my life. Its not about the damn otherOS, though that was a dick move by Sony, for sure.
If it were just about the otherOS, Geohot'd have plenty of support, but nothing like he does now.

 

[omega 616]

I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

I'd rather suffer in a video game than have corporations have a legal precedence to control every damn thing in my life. Its not about the damn otherOS, though that was a dick move by Sony, for sure.
If it were just about the otherOS, Geohot'd have plenty of support, but nothing like he does now.

To be honest as long as they let me play games and DVDs in it, I couldn't careless what they do with the thing. Remove all the stuff you like or add in shit like some music player, I don't care as long as I can play a game and watch films.

There was an option not to remove other OS, just meant it couldn't play games or the like.

(I don't usually do this but ... my captcha was: ongly Ernst. It sounds like a good name for a book.)

Exactly what precedence is it going to set exactly? Can't change the software after purchase? Have to obey what the makers say? I do anyway ...

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

I'd rather suffer in a video game than have corporations have a legal precedence to control every damn thing in my life. Its not about the damn otherOS, though that was a dick move by Sony, for sure.
If it were just about the otherOS, Geohot'd have plenty of support, but nothing like he does now.

To be honest as long as they let me play games and DVDs in it, I couldn't careless what they do with the thing. Remove all the stuff you like or add in shit like some music player, I don't care as long as I can play a game and watch films.

There was an option not to remove other OS, just meant it couldn't play games or the like.

(I don't usually do this but ... my captcha was: ongly Ernst. It sounds like a good name for a book.)

Exactly what precedence is it going to set exactly? Can't change the software after purchase? Have to obey what the makers say? I do anyway ...

Two things here. First, if this actually does make hacking in online games so common that they're practically unplayable, then that's Sony's fault for making a terrible online infrastructure. I've been playing PC games online for close to ten years now, and I can think of two games that had been overrun by hackers -- both of which were pretty much abandoned at that point. *Edit: One because it was really old, and the other because it was a multiplayer flash game that had terrible devs. It wasn't the hackers that screwed things up.* All the other games I played had the same kind of tools available, heck, some of them were open source, which should have made it ridiculously easy to cheat at. Instead, the games came with anticheat software that was actually effective, and then compounded it by giving server admins the ability to kick or ban cheaters, and on many servers, the admins enabled the players to vote for a kick. I haven't seen a cheater in years.

As for the other thing, well, let's say Sony randomly decided to take away the ability to play games and DVDs instead of the Other OS feature. Wouldn't you have been pissed off, and been cheering on the first person to re-enable those features? The fact that Sony would never remove game playing ability doesn't make it any less valid of an analogy, because the people who bought the PS3 for its Linux ability didn't care about the games any more than you cared about Linux. To them, it was a powerful PC that, at the time they were buying it, cost much less than a comparable PC. It was one of the Escapist's own contributors who said something to the effect of "you don't mess with the kind of people who install Linux on their PS3."

 

[omega 616]

I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

I'd rather suffer in a video game than have corporations have a legal precedence to control every damn thing in my life. Its not about the damn otherOS, though that was a dick move by Sony, for sure.
If it were just about the otherOS, Geohot'd have plenty of support, but nothing like he does now.

To be honest as long as they let me play games and DVDs in it, I couldn't careless what they do with the thing. Remove all the stuff you like or add in shit like some music player, I don't care as long as I can play a game and watch films.

There was an option not to remove other OS, just meant it couldn't play games or the like.

(I don't usually do this but ... my captcha was: ongly Ernst. It sounds like a good name for a book.)

Exactly what precedence is it going to set exactly? Can't change the software after purchase? Have to obey what the makers say? I do anyway ...

Two things here. First, if this actually does make hacking in online games so common that they're practically unplayable, then that's Sony's fault for making a terrible online infrastructure. I've been playing PC games online for close to ten years now, and I can think of two games that had been overrun by hackers -- both of which were pretty much abandoned at that point. *Edit: One because it was really old, and the other because it was a multiplayer flash game that had terrible devs. It wasn't the hackers that screwed things up.* All the other games I played had the same kind of tools available, heck, some of them were open source, which should have made it ridiculously easy to cheat at. Instead, the games came with anticheat software that was actually effective, and then compounded it by giving server admins the ability to kick or ban cheaters, and on many servers, the admins enabled the players to vote for a kick. I haven't seen a cheater in years.

As for the other thing, well, let's say Sony randomly decided to take away the ability to play games and DVDs instead of the Other OS feature. Wouldn't you have been pissed off, and been cheering on the first person to re-enable those features? The fact that Sony would never remove game playing ability doesn't make it any less valid of an analogy, because the people who bought the PS3 for its Linux ability didn't care about the games any more than you cared about Linux. To them, it was a powerful PC that, at the time they were buying it, cost much less than a comparable PC. It was one of the Escapist's own contributors who said something to the effect of "you don't mess with the kind of people who install Linux on their PS3."

So it's sonys fault if hackers run rampant and it's sonys fault for trying to prevent hackers running rampant, I have to say sony can't do anything without being considered a dick company.

What would you do? Compromise PSN or try to shut down all hackers and those releasing codes? I know what I would do. Sure some people will just want to "homebrew" but how many will ruin others online exp? They could implement a vote kick thing but they obviously think prevention is better than cure.

That's odd of you to say, that's really odd! A console being more cost effective than a PC, I usually hear that PC's lord over consoles in every way. Anyway that's off topic.

That analogy is just plain awful! "Lets make a console that can't play games, or a toaster that can't toast". If you wanted to not play games on the PS3 and just use the other OS option then why did they, not sony, disable it? Every single person had the choice to install the update or not.

People already say XBL is better than PSN, which I doubt, but if this does pass and hackers run rampant then XBL will be miles better.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I would honestly rather have to deal with a hacker on every other game I played than not being able to own my own electronics for this reason. What we'd give up is just not worth annoyances in a form of entertainment.

Really? You would really want to be against auto aiming and/or auto shooting bots in just about every shooter than not install another OS? I would rather not install it or have it and be able to play online.

Although I have no idea why you would want to install another OS.

I'd rather suffer in a video game than have corporations have a legal precedence to control every damn thing in my life. Its not about the damn otherOS, though that was a dick move by Sony, for sure.
If it were just about the otherOS, Geohot'd have plenty of support, but nothing like he does now.

To be honest as long as they let me play games and DVDs in it, I couldn't careless what they do with the thing. Remove all the stuff you like or add in shit like some music player, I don't care as long as I can play a game and watch films.

There was an option not to remove other OS, just meant it couldn't play games or the like.

(I don't usually do this but ... my captcha was: ongly Ernst. It sounds like a good name for a book.)

Exactly what precedence is it going to set exactly? Can't change the software after purchase? Have to obey what the makers say? I do anyway ...

Two things here. First, if this actually does make hacking in online games so common that they're practically unplayable, then that's Sony's fault for making a terrible online infrastructure. I've been playing PC games online for close to ten years now, and I can think of two games that had been overrun by hackers -- both of which were pretty much abandoned at that point. *Edit: One because it was really old, and the other because it was a multiplayer flash game that had terrible devs. It wasn't the hackers that screwed things up.* All the other games I played had the same kind of tools available, heck, some of them were open source, which should have made it ridiculously easy to cheat at. Instead, the games came with anticheat software that was actually effective, and then compounded it by giving server admins the ability to kick or ban cheaters, and on many servers, the admins enabled the players to vote for a kick. I haven't seen a cheater in years.

As for the other thing, well, let's say Sony randomly decided to take away the ability to play games and DVDs instead of the Other OS feature. Wouldn't you have been pissed off, and been cheering on the first person to re-enable those features? The fact that Sony would never remove game playing ability doesn't make it any less valid of an analogy, because the people who bought the PS3 for its Linux ability didn't care about the games any more than you cared about Linux. To them, it was a powerful PC that, at the time they were buying it, cost much less than a comparable PC. It was one of the Escapist's own contributors who said something to the effect of "you don't mess with the kind of people who install Linux on their PS3."

So it's sonys fault if hackers run rampant and it's sonys fault for trying to prevent hackers running rampant, I have to say sony can't do anything without being considered a dick company.

What would you do? Compromise PSN or try to shut down all hackers and those releasing codes? I know what I would do. Sure some people will just want to "homebrew" but how many will ruin others online exp? They could implement a vote kick thing but they obviously think prevention is better than cure.

That's odd of you to say, that's really odd! A console being more cost effective than a PC, I usually hear that PC's lord over consoles in every way. Anyway that's off topic.

That analogy is just plain awful! "Lets make a console that can't play games, or a toaster that can't toast". If you wanted to not play games on the PS3 and just use the other OS option then why did they, not sony, disable it? Every single person had the choice to install the update or not.

People already say XBL is better than PSN, which I doubt, but if this does pass and hackers run rampant then XBL will be miles better.

Yes, it's Sony's faut that they have no anti-cheat, no dedicated servers, and no kick/ban function. They're still stuck in a last-gen mind set, that consoles are safe from hacking simply because they're consoles. If they did what PC game companies do -- which I outlined in the post -- hackers could have all the tools they need to hack online, but still be stuck hacking offline and in special, non-anticheat servers reserved just for hackers.

With the cheap PC thing, $600 for a PS3 level PC was cheap -- back at system launch. There really isn't anything to say on the matter other than gaming Pcs have come down in cost and up in power since then, while the consoles have come down in both cost and features.

As for the analogy, you brought it on yourself, but I'll humor you. Let's say instead of exclusively caring about linux, they also cared about gaming, the way you care about both gaming and DVD support. And let's say in your case, they kept one of the features you cared about, but dropped the other one. Wouldn't you be mad about that? I know I would -- one of the biggest reasons a PS3 is the console I would get if I were to get a console is the Bluray player. If I bought it, and a few years down the road they said "You can either have games, or keep your Bluray functionality, because in this update, we're nuking the Bluray drive" I would be severely pissed, and you'd better believe that sucker would be jailbroken.