Why Do People Think "The Internet" and Other People Are Two Different Groups?

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inmunitas

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TKretts3 said:
inmunitas said:
TKretts3 said:
It depends on how you define social justice warriors.
The term has been pretty well defined since 2011 according to http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social+justice+warrior
Forgive me if I don't use 'Urban Dictionary' as a definitive and expert source for vocabulary. There are 35 million people in my country, 528.7 million people in North America, and ~7 billion people in the world, so I don't think 2170 votes makes it 'well defined'. If it did then those Tumblr posts you all rag against would probably be considered the definitive and expert sources for social etiquette.

and that's not even to mention the definition/example, which seems more like it was written by somebody who just got out of a flame war and had a lot of friends/subscribers/followers.
It's a fairly clear description is it not? I'm not sure what population numbers have to do with it. Here in the UK Urban Dictionary is the top Google result for "Social Justice Warrior", with the rest of the results about the game "Social Justice Warriors".
 

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TKretts3 said:
And manspreading is a big fudging problem. Do you know how crowded the subways are? MOVE YOUR LEGS AND LET ME SIT DOWN, *******!
Strangely enough, it's the lazy gits with their boxes of doughnuts, work bags and books that steal most of the space on my local bus and Metra (Chicago metro), and it's from men and women alike (in roughly equal measure).

I prefer standing while riding anyway, but on occasion I've seen the death-glare of someone not wanting to move their precious bag or book onto their lap.

At least on the Metra, if you're especially dickish git about sharing limited seat space, the conductor or "constable" (cops that ride the Metra during rush hour commutes to make sure nobody starts shit or steals things) will sort you out faster than any tumblrite SJW will.

As for "Manspreading", I just don't see it happen except when the bus/train is already half empty (dead hours) and people stretch out a bit.
 
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Not going to lie, sometimes I do that thing where I forget that the post I am responding to, no matter how stupid it sounds to me, has an actual person behind it. It's a lot easier to overlook that as opposed to when you have them staring you in the face

Zontar said:
As for manspreading, I have yet to see a single image of it (because I've never even seen it in person) where a person's legs are out wider then their shoulders. It's a none-issue, and there's no getting around that.
Seriously? I'm jealous. I see it around on a daily basis. On C-trains in my city some of the trains have seats arranged so that you have two 2 people wide seats facing each other. It's not uncommon for someone to lean back and spread their legs out so that you can't sit next to them or across from them, effectively taking up 3 seats. Sometimes they'll move when you ask them to, other times they'll just ignore you
 

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inmunitas said:
TKretts3 said:
inmunitas said:
TKretts3 said:
It depends on how you define social justice warriors.
The term has been pretty well defined since 2011 according to http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social+justice+warrior
Forgive me if I don't use 'Urban Dictionary' as a definitive and expert source for vocabulary. There are 35 million people in my country, 528.7 million people in North America, and ~7 billion people in the world, so I don't think 2170 votes makes it 'well defined'. If it did then those Tumblr posts you all rag against would probably be considered the definitive and expert sources for social etiquette.

and that's not even to mention the definition/example, which seems more like it was written by somebody who just got out of a flame war and had a lot of friends/subscribers/followers.
It's a fairly clear description is it not? I'm not sure what population numbers have to do with it. Here in the UK Urban Dictionary is the top Google result for "Social Justice Warrior", with the rest of the results about the game "Social Justice Warriors".
Because hundreds of millions of people on the world speak English, and there are ~7 billion people in the world all together. 2170 anonymous accounts upvoting it on Urban Dictionary really doesn't make it official, neither does it showing up at the top on a quick Google search.
 

inmunitas

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TKretts3 said:
inmunitas said:
TKretts3 said:
inmunitas said:
TKretts3 said:
*snip*
Forgive me if I don't use 'Urban Dictionary' as a definitive and expert source for vocabulary. There are 35 million people in my country, 528.7 million people in North America, and ~7 billion people in the world, so I don't think 2170 votes makes it 'well defined'. If it did then those Tumblr posts you all rag against would probably be considered the definitive and expert sources for social etiquette.

and that's not even to mention the definition/example, which seems more like it was written by somebody who just got out of a flame war and had a lot of friends/subscribers/followers.
It's a fairly clear description is it not? I'm not sure what population numbers have to do with it. Here in the UK Urban Dictionary is the top Google result for "Social Justice Warrior", with the rest of the results about the game "Social Justice Warriors".
Because hundreds of millions of people on the world speak English, and there are ~7 billion people in the world all together. 2170 anonymous accounts upvoting it on Urban Dictionary really doesn't make it official, neither does it showing up at the top on a quick Google search.
There is no "official" definition yet or it wouldn't be on Urban Dictionary in the first place, that's the whole point of the site.
 

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Thank you for the responses so far. The final straw for me was Friday morning when 2 TV shows, sports and financial news, both led off with the color of the dress. They said, "It was social media that was talking about it." No. It is you people that are talking about it. Also, online, there was a headline that read, "How the internet is mourning Leonard Nimoy". The internet? How about generations of Star Trek fans?

I appreciate how this conversation is spreading out about how people do relate to one another online and in real life. Have anyone notice that people are starting to talk and behave more like they do online? Really aggressive and rude.
 

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So, your real name is KissingSunlight?
Back in the day, we used aliases instead of real names to hide our identities, because the internet was an unknown and potentially dangerous thing we used fake names and never gave out personal information to protect ourselves, smart thinking.
The internet became very popular, so now people who don't know any better put out their names, where they live, pictures, dangerous personal information, they put themselves on the internet with no mask to use for protection, Google and other sites made a fuss about wanting you to use your real name for its user accounts but it's an extremely bad idea.

What i type here is my opinion, but it's my alias who gets the credit/takes the blame, the real me sleeps soundly tonight either way.

Captcha: end of story
 

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Queen Michael said:
Probably because people act differently online than in real life.
The very first post nailed it.

I mean, when was the last time someone turned to you in an elevator and yelled, "FUK U DOOD!@ LRN UR CLASS OR KILL URSELF FGGT LOLO7OLO0LL0LS."

It just doesn't happen. Unless of course the person is one of those rare Fuckicorns/SpecialSnowflakesComposedEntirelyOfBile/Psychos that are, have been, and will continue to be with us as a species until the day we accidentally blow ourselves up.
 

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cikame said:
So, your real name is KissingSunlight?
Back in the day, we used aliases instead of real names to hide our identities, because the internet was an unknown and potentially dangerous thing we used fake names and never gave out personal information to protect ourselves, smart thinking.
The internet became very popular, so now people who don't know any better put out their names, where they live, pictures, dangerous personal information, they put themselves on the internet with no mask to use for protection, Google and other sites made a fuss about wanting you to use your real name for its user accounts but it's an extremely bad idea.

What i type here is my opinion, but it's my alias who gets the credit/takes the blame, the real me sleeps soundly tonight either way.

Captcha: end of story
Why yes! My name is Kissing Sunlight Jones. My parents were hippies and thought that was a sweet positive name to give me. I'm just kidding. I first used the internet when it was all text (in 1994). I understand exactly what you are talking about. Which is the main reason I am sticking around this site for the time being. You can be more honest about a topic without having to worry about some psycho trying to hunt you down for expressing an opinion that he/she disagrees with.

LostGryphon said:
Queen Michael said:
Probably because people act differently online than in real life.
The very first post nailed it.

I mean, when was the last time someone turned to you in an elevator and yelled, "FUK U DOOD!@ LRN UR CLASS OR KILL URSELF FGGT LOLO7OLO0LL0LS."

It just doesn't happen. Unless of course the person is one of those rare Fuckicorns/SpecialSnowflakesComposedEntirelyOfBile/Psychos that are, have been, and will continue to be with us as a species until the day we accidentally blow ourselves up.
That maybe didn't happen in an elevator. I have had, plenty of times, people come up to me and say really insulting and disgusting things with very little or no reasons to do so at all.
 

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Queen Michael said:
Probably because people act differently online than in real life. You know the social justice people on Tumblr? The kind that don't care about social justice, and just want lots of people to see how good they're being, disapproving of the right things and telling the right people to kill themselves? They rarely act like that IRL.
I do not agree. I think people do act the same way in real life and on the internet and the main difference for thinknig as you do is because of two things:

1. they have learnt to hide it better in RL as they have more experience there.

and

2. You just meet far less crazy people in RL than on the internet. you can see hundreds of new people online in an hour, how many do you see laying their hears out in RL?



Zontar said:
I think he was talking about the radicals who do things like complain about manspreading or that sexism against men is impossible, the type of thing that moderates look at and either face-palm or are revolted by. Saying Same-sex marriage is a social justice issue is kind of insulting in this day and age due to the implications that it's on par with the issues brought up by keyboard warriors.
Have you seen the "Speech" Brianna Wu gave in what looked from the recording literally middle of the street?

Yes, yes they do.
 

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I'm guessing it's the whole anonymous side to the internet since you do not see the real person behind the username and image.

At least with the real people you see that person making the arguement unlike online for some people.
 

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I know all too well that there are real people behind all of it. I have direct, sometimes painful experience of that.

On the other hand, I am also aware that what people do online often doesn't reflect what they are like in reality. Tge nature of the medium, anonimity and several other factors create some form of inline personality that is often quite distinct from a person's offline one. To be sure, they are the same person, but I suppose one way to look at it is that it amplifies certain aspects of their personality, and masks others.
Sometimes, this is deliberate, sometimes, it arises because there are fewer subliminal cues, such as body language, and often slower, more deliberate communication.

Besides, online much more about a person is hidden. And this can be played with.

I play up being a catgirl online. It should be quite obvious to anyone that this isn't real, but even so, the illusion holds up much better online than it ever could online.

Besides, I can easily say that's what I am online without concern.
Were I to act that way in person, or worse, try dress as though I was such a thing, people would quickly think I was very strange, or even insane.
Unless of course, I restrict it to specific environments where it doesn't seem so out of place. Like, say, an anime convention.

That perhaps is a better analogy. The Internet is like a special environment where different social norms apply.
Just like wearing cosplay at an anime convention (or halloween party) is regarded differently to just wearing such stuff randomly in public, so behaviour online is regarded as different to offline behaviour.

Remember that social norms and conventions, what's considered acceptable and what isn't, and so on is context specific, rather than universal.

What's acceptable to do with your lover is different to what you can do with family, which differs from friends, which differs from work colleagues which differs from strangers.

What's OK in a night club isn't OK in a restaurant, and neither is OK in a cinema.

Context matters a great deal.

So why should it really surprise anyone that the Internet is a context all of its own? With it's own quirks and rules. (actually it's many contexts, because it's a collection of seperate sites and programs, but the general point remains the same)
 

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A few reasons

You're not as connected to someone over the internet than you would be face to face, extreme comments are often a way of people trying to ensure they feel like they will get an emotional reaction. Telling someone you've met they look amazing face to face is so much better than a comment It's also easier in a comment, you can pay lip service to something without putting any real effort in, liking of favouriting save the rain forest is hardly the same as putting hard earned money towards it, a second to click vs a couple of hours of your time.