Why do so many guys here suck at talking to or doing pretty much anything with girls?

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Tonimata

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President Moocow said:
Tonimata said:
Longest quote chain ever man. You have a dedication to your discussion contributers, and I respect that. Achievement unlocked.

Anyways, I have that rather skewed, misanthropical vision of women due to the fact that I've been mostly rejected not only by women but by my peers as a whole. Sadly, yes, I have been constantly surrounded by snobby, self-assured teenagers with a rather annoying tendency to whine too much and enjoying playing the martyr. However, in the case of girls, it has been rather much more painful than mere rejection, with which I deal just fine (after all, the day I have even the slightest impulse to join their social circles will be the day I freeze hell over), but what's even more painful, and here now referring to the hypocritical paper, is that I've been constantly given hope by them, just to be rejected even more harshly, to the point of being called "disgusting". Now, oneself is one's worst judge, but I profoundly doubt I can be classified as such. But then again, it's hardly untrue, since any time I try to have the slightest hint of an intelligent conversation with them, they either dismiss me or start talking about what they did in the weekend. And honestly, it sincerely worries me that that's all not only girls, but a great percentage of the teenagers nowadays think about. Surely, I like to think that I stand out from the crowd when it comes to the pleasures I indulge in, but surely there's something better than getting drunk every single weekend and then bragging about being an alcoholic, which to me sounds like a prediction of brain and liver cancer (simultaneously). So as far as I go, I pretty much ignore women. Sure I feel attracted to them (specially long haired ones), but the rejection I feel from their almost identical habits in every single one can only be symbolized by two electronic magnets set to the same polarity.

And just to really address your initial point this time, I don't suck talking to women. They suck talking to me :)
Well thanks, once I get rolling on an idea I like to go pretty far.

Now your response had some pretty interesting points that I'm curious to ask about. Before I proceed, I'd like to disregard the immaturity of teens in general as that is something every teen goes through. I think you'll find that eventually, when people grow up, small talk becomes less and less frequent. It doesn't lead anywhere, it doesn't help you make any actually connections with people it only serves the purpose of starting a conversation off and breaking the ice before talking about stuff that's actually interesting. I'd also like to disregard the cultural phenomenon of all teens drinking alcohol for the sake of alcohol. That's a problem of American society. Over time, I feel that drinking becomes less for the sake of itself and more as a way of overcoming that initial social anxiety and letting everyone relax much more freely. This, of course, differs by culture and depends on parties.

Anyways, the hypocrisy you mention. Now I've seen girls ebb people on and reject, I've seen them state something and do the opposite. I've seen a lot and that's let me to believe that a lot of girls do things that aren't based on logic and trying to justify their actions using logic just simply doesn't work. Sometimes it's based on a different kind of logic, sometimes people just do stuff that simply doesn't make sense (like impulsive decisions, which can be advantageous). Perhaps a lot of the frustration you feel is simply because you expect a rational understanding for actions that are, themselves, irrational? Perhaps there's a more acceptable understanding behind what lead someone to act in a certain way?

One thing I'm curious is how you ended up getting viewed as "disgusting" after, presumably, your advances on someone (am I correct?). Now, rejection itself is extremely common and normal but being called disgusting is something different. What did you actually say or do to be rejected so harshly?
People that develop their points are the only ones I like having conversations with.

It is true, making small talk does have its benefits, it's simply something I am uncapable of doing, I simply do not see a point in doing anything that doesn't go straight to the point, it's just my nature. The problem of alcoholism, however, I can safely assure is not limited to America, as here, in Spain, the problem seems to have become so grave that several television programs deal with that problem, how teenagers nowadays think of nothing but going out, getting drunk, defying the law, commiting long term suicide, etc... (Now would be a good moment to mention the Suicide Solution case (For the sake of it), and everyone in my age group and environment is also subjected to this very same problem. Surely, maybe I'm making a rather puritanical fuss about it, since I'm abstemious by will, and indeed havenever tried the effects of alcohol in great amounts, but that is one of the few aspects of my health (Physical and psycological) for which I actually care about.

On the other topic, my main concern is that I'm too logical a person to actually try not to rationalize love, even though I am pretty sure I have felt it in my life, and it has led me to do rather extreme things, but nothing I couldn't rationalize before. But if, then again, that reason is nothing but gaining love, then the statements that love is both blind and capable of giving us wings becomes true, or at least in my case. This, unfortunately, does not stop me from wanting to rationalize, and, by extension, making a much bigger thing about it.

And as far as being called disgusting, it is something that to this day I have not understood. I, as standard, are not an easy person, the sort which you can immediately befriend immediately. I am the sort that believes in testing those that asprie to become my friends to see if they are worth befriending. I know this sounds like I'm putting myself on an altar, but it is only because I expect many things from human relationships, the sort of thing that make me feel whole, and since those are hard to find, I have very few people whom I really call "friends". This makes me a lonely individual, with a high disregard of society as a whole, more of an outside observer, if you will, but at any rate, I have never found myself treating my school colleagues with disrespect. If I had to find a reason, based on the prior statement, of why I was called disgusting, is probably because I'm thought of pretty much as a loner, with little to no feelings for others. Aside of that, nothing else comes to mind.
 

Radelaide

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President Moocow said:
I've seen a few threads with people who find it impossible to talk to girl, people who are afraid of girls, people who see girls as completely foreign and some incredibly disturbing opinions about girls in general ("Are women jealous of men" thread).
the guy who made that thread is pretty much a dumbarse. I think the assumption that "geeks/nerds/gamers suck at talking to wimminz" is a fairly unjust one. Girls don't honestly care if you have all the "fly" (is that what you kids say? lol) moves and crap like that. If you're genuine, she can see that. Unless she's a skank, and I suggest you steer clear of those ones.
 

President Moocow

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Radelaide said:
President Moocow said:
I've seen a few threads with people who find it impossible to talk to girl, people who are afraid of girls, people who see girls as completely foreign and some incredibly disturbing opinions about girls in general ("Are women jealous of men" thread).
the guy who made that thread is pretty much a dumbarse. I think the assumption that "geeks/nerds/gamers suck at talking to wimminz" is a fairly unjust one. Girls don't honestly care if you have all the "fly" (is that what you kids say? lol) moves and crap like that. If you're genuine, she can see that. Unless she's a skank, and I suggest you steer clear of those ones.
Except if you look around you notice that girls DO prefer guys who are socially savvy (sorry, I have no idea what the fuck the "fly" is supposed to mean) over nerdy guys. It's been pointed out why quite some time ago.

Besides, how is it an unfair assumption? Look around this forum, so many losers make threads about "oh my, I'm trying to get with this girl but I can't and now I'm sad" or "I am ..... but I still want to get her attention". There's a reason stereotypes exist.

Also, I'm going to question your own knowledge. So far you seem to believe that ANY girl will see if you're "genuine" and if she's not then she's a skank. Wow, so genuine about what? Why would nerds who often don't know themselves be 'genuine'? Why does an arbitrarily vague term like 'genuine' define whether a girl is a skank? You're quite a hypocrite. You accuse me of using labels and then you go ahead and accuse any girl who can't see someone "true" side (not that it's their responsibility to automatically understand you after just seeing you) as a skank.