Why do so many people love the Villain?

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Badger Kyre

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I have my own opinions and conclusions, I want others.
What signifigance do you see in it?
Why do people relate to the Villain?
Do YOU relate to the Villain? Which villain? May I ask why?
.. what about Villains that become so popular they become the hero? (or were a "villain" protagonist anyway)
 

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Well, a lot of the time it is because I get bored of always seeing the protagonist win, so I cheer for the villain in hopes that some variety will occur.

That strategy hasn't worked too well so far.
 

Z of the Na'vi

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The bad guys are often far more interesting than the macho hero. Sometimes, you just want to see the bad guy win. Take Hades from the original Disney cartoon, "Hercules."

He had great personality, decisive morals, and not to mention, he was voiced by none other than James Woods. Seeing the ending, (no spoilers here), you know for a fact that Hades is going to lose, and the macho, courageous, muscly Hercules would save the day.

How typical.

To speak of it from a subjective point of view, it's more about the stagnation of such a storyline. People want a change of pace. They want to see the bad guy win once in a while.

Or maybe that was just me.

Marter said:
Oh my sweet Digi-soul, it's a Pikachu! Renamon, go stand with it so I can take a picture! You two are the same color!
 

Agent_Nahmen_Jayden

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Because they wear black and black=cool. :D

I don't see people likine the villain happen all too often, but sometimes the villain is more developed than the hero and people may relate to them a little more.

Sometimes it's just to break out of the monotony (sp) of regular stories and root for someone other than the hero.
 

NeutralDrow

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Which villain? Sometimes, it's because the villain is either sympathetic, or simply cool and charismatic enough to make up for it. Sometimes, it's because the hero suffers by comparison in characterization or motivations.
 

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Essentially humans are inclined towards sin, as a species we are infected by it and it influences our judgement.
 

LiberalSquirrel

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I like a villain that's well characterized, and one that's a legitimate threat to the hero(es). If they're interesting and have check marks on both of my previously-mentioned points, I'll love them. Especially with some games/series/etc. where the heroes are boring and invincible, and make constant rants about the "power of friendship"- I like to root for the villainous misanthrope to rip 'em a new one. And finally, if the villain has motivations for doing something beyond doing it "for the evulz," I have a bit of a tendency to sympathize with them a bit more than the protagonist.
 

Blair Bennett

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Often times, their character is better written than the actual protagonist. At least, that's the trend I tend to notice in the really mainstream media. Other than that, I hadn't really considered it before, but some people have already mentioned that they root for the antagonist because they want to break the tedium of "the good guy wins". Having seen the concept in writing, I'm honestly astonished that no one's tried to do this before. Stories can be complete without joyous celebration at the end, can't they?
 

Thunderhorse31

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If internet anonymity is any indication, many people secretly desire to be complete asshats, but real life tends to frown on such things.

That, and sometimes the villain is just a much more interesting and well-written character than the protagonist, and/or they have better voice actors and/or personalities than their "good" counterparts (see examples like Liquid Snake, Saren, Sephiroth, Kefka, and so on).
 
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Some villains are more interesting than the heroes. Actually most of the time they are.

I think Dark Night was a good example of this. I had actually forgotten that it was a movie about Batman after seeing the Jokers face on all the posters.
 

Sinclair Solutions

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I don't really like the villain unless they are actually interesting. I don't really care about sympathizing with them, although that certainly helps. As long as I enjoy their time on screen. Doctor Octopus in Spiderman 2 is a good example. Not only was he able to gain sympathy, but his personality and slight tinges of humor made him great to have on screen. He is also an example of when the villain is more bearable than the hero (also see Joker in the Dark Knight). Angel Eyes (The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly) is also an example of an interesting character. He's a massive dick who wants no sympathy, but his mix of civility and sociopathic behavior make him fascinating to watch.
 

Badger Kyre

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NeutralDrow said:
Which villain? Sometimes, it's because the villain is either sympathetic, or simply cool and charismatic enough to make up for it.
Interesting, coming from a Neutral Drow - which a purist like me would say is a contradiction in terms. Should i blame Anne Rice for starting that, Joss for following it, or Just RA Slaverbore?
But seriously - I'll leave "which villain" up to you, and ask you to choose one you like, and tell me why ?

Sometimes, it's because the hero suffers by comparison in characterization or motivations.
Ah, hit the nail with that one... I am so often expected to like the "protagonist" simply because he/she is the "Hero"
which to me is closely related to the " care about this world enough to save it" when the writer hasn't done a damn thing to make me care enough about that world to give a fat rat's ass what happens to it.

* EDIT *: in the time it took me to type this, there were quite a few interesting responses.
I wish again for a "like" button.
 

ninja555

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A villain done right can be more of a character then any amount of heroes. Take, for example, Alexander Devon from the novel Scar Night(my all-time best fantasy novel). A great example of a tragic villain that you can't help but love.
 

Riccan

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It depends on their goals and how they achieve them. How interesting they are also plays a major part in my reaction to them.
 

TheTaco007

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Because conflict is what drives stories. Opposites. You can have the most amazing protagonist in the world, but without an equally awesome villain, the story sucks.

Also, the hero is usually established very quickly. This is doubly true for sequels, meaning that if you want character development, most of it is the villain's.
 

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No one relates to the villain.[footnote]Well, no one should relate to the villain.[/footnote] That is why he/she is so interesting. What made them so twisted? What is the story behind their rise to power? How did they become so badass or, conversely, how did they lose so much diving into the realms of evil?

We all know what the hero is going to do. The hero is going to win. What we want to see is how the villain almost wins and how he loses.

Style is everything.

Z of the Na said:
Marter said:
Oh my sweet Digi-soul, it's a Pikachu! Renamon, go stand with it so I can take a picture! You two are the same color!
Dawwh, so cute! Stay nice and still for the picture Pikachu!

*runs and grabs Pikachu*

[HEADING=2]Suckers![/HEADING]

*jumps into giant Persian shaped sports car and drives away*
 

AugustFall

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The villain is usually the one with a more interesting story and better characterisation than the hero.
 

4fromK

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Heroes are just so dreary compared to villians; case in point, luke skywalker against darth vader. Vader is instantly recognisable; whereas luke is just a regular dude with a blaster (then a lightsaber)
This staleness in heroes is porbably why anti-heroes are so popular today.
 

Drexlor

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I root for the villains because they rarely ever win. I just want a change of pace.
 

RTK1576

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Heroes and villains are essentially two sides of the same coin. The hero is the upholder of a society's values, the villain the breaker of said values. Our fascination with the villain is, in many way, our fascination with defying our own society and the order of our lives. The best villains are the ones that might have been us had events gone differently in our lives or had we given in to a moment of rage, of desire, of weakness.

Take the phenomenon of the villain monologue. Ever notice that most of the time the hero doesn't really have a good comeback? A few heroes might do a Shut-Up-Hannibal and punch the guy while he's still talking, but most of the time the hero responds with some thin gruel about the villain being insane or evil or "defier of the social order," as if what the villain is saying must automatically be taken as crazy talk. It isn't always black and white, and it takes a good writer to show that while a villain may be bad, he isn't necessarily wrong. A true villain doesn't just jeopardize life and liberty; he forces you to consider why you believe what you believe.

Example: In "The Dark Knight," the Joker's premise is that most people aren't too far away from embracing anarchy. On the one hand, the Joker's final social experiment (the bobby-trapped ferries) falls through and shows that the people of Gotham City aren't willing to destroy each other. But then Harvey Dent turns into Two-Face and shows that, yes, even the best of us can fall from grace. So despite being defeated in the end, the Joker's argument isn't completely refuted.