Why do some games think they need to be realistic?

[RastaBadger]

I dunno. Realism can definitely be fun I enjoy games like ARMA 2 and DCS Black Shark but I also think that realism is overrated. What we need is a good mix. Some realistic some not. (I know we have that now but I feel like we have too many pretending to be realistic. Yes CoD I'm looking at you.)

 

[mb16]

"realism is NOT the direction in which we want to take games?"
speak for your self i like realism in games

"I mean honestly, what's the point? Don't most of us play games to ESCAPE the irritating quirks of reality?"
no i play games for fun and a challenge, and i find having to take the wind into account when i fire my sniper a challenge and all the more stasfying


"So what's your opinion on realism in games? Which games make realism work? Which don't?"
it, like everything else, has its place in gaming. Dont like realism then play games which dont ad-hear to the real word


"Is it a good thing that gaming is going in that direction, or should we stick to the stuff that makes games like God Hand and Zelda, among so may others, great?"
well they also have realism im, you need to breath, you can die, gravity still works. They just dont have so much realism


anyway if you think battlefield and cod are "realistic" go try games like arma2, X3, total war

 

[ntw3001]

I don't get this pursuit of realism. I want the things I do to be unlike carving bits off people with a machine gun. I don't especially mind the 'simulated homicide' aspect of it (I play TF2), but I find it a touch creepy that developers seem to think I want realism in my homicide.

 

[natster43]

Why not? Why shouldn't some games try and be more real? Why shouldn't others be unrealistic?
Personally, I love battlefield. It is a great game series. But I also love Mario and Dead Rising, which are definitely not realistic. Each game company should make their whatever way they want.

 

[The_Waspman]

Since when was regenerating health realistic? I know in terms of FPS's that 'realism' often refers to the level of detail, gun mechanics, and general all out chaos of the warfare, but 'realism' in games is, IMHO, vastly over-rated. I will always find a shooter like TimeSplitters way more fun than COD, and I will always find a driving game like Burnout way more fun than Gran Turismo or Forza.

 

[Ninjat_126]

Now excuse me I'm going to go play a Sequal done right (Doom 3)

It's not perfect, but whatever. I'm going to join you.

 

[Lordmarkus]

Call of Duty is not realistic. It may look like it is, but the gameplay is no more realistic than Final Fantasy.

One of the best FPSs I've ever played is Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, which is pretty realistic. The realism is the best part, not for its own sake, but because it makes the gameplay really good.

Also, I think Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo, two of the most realistic driving games around, are doing quite well.

Realism is good, but not everyone likes it, nor should everything be it.

If you think that's realistic, try playing the real Flashpoint games made by Bohemia. OFP: Cold War Crisis/Resistance and Arma2. And yes the old Rainbow 6 games (Raven Shield and earlier) and Ghost Recon 1 were similar to those games, in that they all have MUCH more realism than these big selling mainstream shooters of today.

If I had a decent gaming PC, I would. I'm hoping Arma 3 comes out on consoles, though I know that's improbable. Right now Dragon Rising is the best I can get.

ARMA 3 won't be on consoles. What about the original OFP, Raven Shield and Ghost Recon 1 ? Those are not new games. Maybe you can run those ? If you liked OFPR compared to the mainstream stuff, i HIGHLY advise you to try these gems out, if you can.

Maybe I could. Where could I get them? I don't know if they still sell those at my local game store.

http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Flashpoint-Game-Year-Pc/dp/B00008K1YM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321130841&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Rainbow-Six-Gold-Pc/dp/B00014WM6U/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1321130955&sr=1-1 It's also on steam too http://store.steampowered.com/app/19830/?snr=1_4_4__13

http://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Ghost-Recon-Gold-Pc/dp/B00007LVCH/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321131311&sr=8-1

There's also a ton of player crated content for these games (new maps,campaigns..), so your TRULY getting your moneys worth with them.

You can check here to see if you can run it. http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/

I'll definitely check those out as soon as I make some more money. Thanks!

Don't buy Flashpoint on Amazon, just get it on Steam for 4 $/? or whatever. Or get the entire franshise (ARMA II included) when the annual Steam sales rolls on in December. I'm planning on picking up Arma III when it arrives this summer. Not because it necessary will be any good and that it will probably murder my processor but it feels better supporting PC-devs than others that gives us the dead hand even if I don't adore the games.

Op. Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis, redubbed Arma: Cold War Assault http://store.steampowered.com/app/65790/

 

[ArchAngelKira]

The reason for America I'm guessing is they want to drive people into the thought of signing up for the army. 4 out of 5 people you meet would play an FPS when their friggin 10. In a nutshell it makes alot of people happy. Army gets their soldiers and developers get they're money and no one gives a damn not even fox news who... Well that speaks for itself

 

[Oxford The Cat]

I'm annoyed that they haven't gotten realistic enough.


The 2-3 hits to kill people in the Battlefield games, for example.

They've gotten more realistic because a great many of us are striving for more realism.

... though, unfortunately, there seem to be just as many that really are searching for a modded Halflife 2: they want latest gen graphics and 'realistic' weapon skins, but Nintendo gameplay.

 

[Michael Hirst]

When realism becomes generic boredom it's a bad thing, like really bad. Call of Duty to me is the wrong type of realism that makes the FPS genre boring as hell, instagib CTF in UT2004 that was fun, carrying all the weapons in Half Life 1 and fighting big bosses was fun. 2 weapons with slow movement and regen health makes a game crawl at a snails pace with no exciting enemies to find and always knowing what lies ahead.

Some good uses of realism are games like Dark Souls which uses realistic weapon motions and physics that make logical sense ie You don't block axes because they're too heavy, dodge them instead, Spears only thrust so side stepping them is how to beat them, if they're in a tight corridor then move the fight elsewhere, this adds depth to the gameplay and prevents the player from just insta-killing the enemies.

I do like a semi realistic art style by which I mean the cahracters are within human proportion but they're heavily characterized, Kratos, Dante and Ezio are good examples of characterization in this way and they're all very memorable characters (even if Kratos is a complete douche)

As for The Legend of Zelda, A Link to the Past and Wind Waker are my favourites. I liked Twilight Princess but the very faded/washed out looking colour pallet was dull and lifeless whereas Wind Waker just popped out and everything was so damn nice to look at (even on a HD TV)

tl;dr If COD represents realism and Mega Man X represents the opposite I know which I'd pick every time you know because Mega Man X is FUN!

 

[Techno Squidgy]

because projectiles > hitscans, more challenging, more satisfying, more engaging.
and realistic physics are more fun to break.
for instance the swing glitch in GTA IV. if you drive a car into a certain swing set your car was flung through the sky at a ridiculous speed. Truly hilarious, especially when found by accident.

 

[Xanadu84]

In my opinion, anytime someone says, "Games should be (Blank)" as a blanket statement, they are wrong. A lot of fun, innovative, and thought provoking things have come from realism. The problem is when all games do things in 1 way. Games should try more and varied things. And currently, Call of Duty, which has the perfect amount of realism for what it is, is squeezing out the opportunity for games to do different things with so much copying. Chinese food is tasty, and is no less tasty in and of itself just because you have eaten it for every meal for the past 6 months.

Games need to be as realistic as they are now, far less realistic in wilder fantasies, and far more realistic in sense of simulation. There are more possible combinations of notes making songs then there are quarks in the universe. The phase space for games is an incalculable exponent larger then that. There's room for different approaches to realism.

 

[bioject]

When a developer decides to make a game that costs over 100 million dollars to make, they like to look at the market and appeal to the lowest common denominator. They do this all the time for movies. Realistic-looking games are widely more appealing than something that looks like a cartoon or abstract. I had an argument with a friend once about trying out Team Fortress 2 because of all its great content and gameplay and he wouldn't lay a finger on it only because it wasn't realistic like Modern Warfare 2. Even when I pointed out that realistic games become easily dated and no longer have the realism people originally buy them for, he still wouldn't listen.

I remember people hated Wind Waker because of its art style even though the game still looks amazing today because it wasn't trying to be realistic and I always loved how easy it was to see Link's hilarious cartoony facial expressions.

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

Maybe you're playing the wrong games?
Go play Dragon Age or Skyrim or something. Don't complain that Battlefield is too realistic, it's ALWAYS been realistic! It's based around realism!

Cod on the other hand, isn't that realistic. Graphics wise maybe, but gameplay wise. Just no.

 

[Netrigan]

I'm not a big fan of realism, which is why Modern Warfare is the only military shooter I play. The new one has a level where you're in a free-fall shoot-out inside of a plane... which seems about as realistic as the one in Saints Row III. It's spectacle pure and simple and it's sure an escape from counting inventory all day long.

Managing an inventory in an RPG, there's realism I can do with escaping

 

[Vault101]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaah I dont liek realism! see! see how "artsy" my taste in games is? arnt i awsome?

ugghh sorry but I realy cant stand thease threads, thers no point, realism has its place, so does styleisation...there you go

thread/

 

[Magicmad5511]

The reason people seem to be striving for realism is to immerse the players more. I think this is because it then becomes a setting they can properly see because it actually happens. Also it means they don't have to be as imaginative and can just use real world scenarios in their games instead of actually inventing a proper setting.

In my opinion realism is boring. Realism is all about hiding behind cover because in real life a single bullet will take most people down. I prefer my games colourful, slightly over the top and to make me feel powerful.
The brilliant thing is though that even if it is futuristic or in a fantasy setting it can still be immersive as long as everything is logical enough for people to understand why it's happening. It doesn't have to actually be possibly as long as it makes logical sense.

Either that or you could lose your grip on reality completely and make a crazy game filled with insanity like Saints Row the Third. That can be very fun as well.
The problem comes when you are actually trying to be realistic and fail.

 

[Viking67]

Call of Duty is not realistic. It may look like it is, but the gameplay is no more realistic than Final Fantasy.

One of the best FPSs I've ever played is Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, which is pretty realistic. The realism is the best part, not for its own sake, but because it makes the gameplay really good.

Also, I think Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo, two of the most realistic driving games around, are doing quite well.

Realism is good, but not everyone likes it, nor should everything be it.

If you think that's realistic, try playing the real Flashpoint games made by Bohemia. OFP: Cold War Crisis/Resistance and Arma2. And yes the old Rainbow 6 games (Raven Shield and earlier) and Ghost Recon 1 were similar to those games, in that they all have MUCH more realism than these big selling mainstream shooters of today.

If I had a decent gaming PC, I would. I'm hoping Arma 3 comes out on consoles, though I know that's improbable. Right now Dragon Rising is the best I can get.

ARMA 3 won't be on consoles. What about the original OFP, Raven Shield and Ghost Recon 1 ? Those are not new games. Maybe you can run those ? If you liked OFPR compared to the mainstream stuff, i HIGHLY advise you to try these gems out, if you can.

Totally agree, man. The original OP:FP is one of my favorite games of all time, despite the graphics. Not just the realism, but how open-ended much of it was, particularly the Special Ops missions. Basically: "You are on this large island. Your target is here, and you must do this when you get there. As long as you accomplish the mission, you can do it however you want."

Give it a big boost to replayability, too. I remember one mission where you were trying to sneak into a Russian tank depot, plant some bombs and get out. Or the mission where you get captured and have to figure out a way to escape and make it back to your lines.

Shit, I'm think I'm gonna go play that game right now.