Why do YOU hate racism?

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SenseOfTumour

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Well, to me there's only two groups I hate, racists and the French.

Anyways, old one liners aside, I grew up with my local corners shop being daubed with graffiti like 'wogs out' and 'paki go home', and I still don't think paki is necessarily so bad.

It's not to be casually used, I think, but again, its all contextual, and so long as the indian soldier in this case gets to call prince Harry 'ginger nuts' or some other redhead thing, then fine. I genuinely don't believe Harry was being properly racist, just that he's too dim and inbred to realise society has moved on from the 70s.

Another example, the whole Jade Goody/Big Brother thing. This is another case where its not 'real' racism, but a case of a woman who was poorly educated and lacking in intelligence, getting angry at a woman who's obviously more successful, more attractive and more popular than her, and not having a good vocabulary, could only think of derogatory racist terms to try to verbally hurt her.

The stupid thing being, racists like to make out that other countries are backwards and mental, and then there's rioting in the streets in India because someone was rude to one of their movie stars, that's no way to prove you're above it.

Anyway, I find racism tends to be a tool by dullards and idiots to try to oppress people better than them by the only way they know how, as they fear anything different to themselves.

I still think the vast majority of 'racists' are just people who don't understand other cultures and fear them a little, and making fun of them makes them feel better, and that it's a pretty small percentage that actually wish harm on or actually attack people based on race.
 

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Booze Zombie said:
Please note an earlier post where I said I take things literally... and this guy did appear to mean it as "we fight for OUR slanty eyes".
Then again, I could be remembering it wrong. Either way, he didn't exactly sound pleasant about it...
Did he use a really funny, completely non-PC accent?
 

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I have never experienced Racism personally, even though i have travelled out of my country but seeing stuff or hearing stuff about it, doesnt particularly make me angry, its all forms of injustice in this world that annoys me.

Some people were actually brought up to believe they were better than others because of a skin, hair or eye colour and its harder to Unlearn things than to learn them.

Racism will always be a subject of discussion, nothing we can do about it.

Some people will be stupid, some will be smart

Some people will hate, some will Love.

Thats just Life!
 

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Booze Zombie said:
TenthRegeneration said:
Did he use a really funny, completely non-PC accent?
You know what I mean. You can derive a lot from spoken word with subtle things like tone.

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean...I do take things quite literally...I wasn't there, so I can't ever know if it was meant as a racial slur, or what the correct context was. *shrugs*
 

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Here's a tricky one, what if tomorrow a leading scientiest proved that white males generally had higher IQ than women and also of other races?

I can't help but feel if tomorrow a scientist released provable data that women and blacks were smarter than white men, that'd be just fine and dandy front page news.

However the opposite just could never be accepted, even if it was 100% fact.

I was reminded of a conversation where it came up about how its sometimes hard to say that a black athlete is good, because some people read the unsaid into it, as in.

'Damn that guy is an excellent runner!'

We dont mean anything about 'because I expect he had to run away from lions and stuff in his own country' or the other big one 'he'd have to be because he could never be a lawyer or anything, blacks are only good at sport.'

We're not saying any of that, we're saying he's good is all.

From a British POV, anyone noticed our athletes are British when they win medals and then Scottish/Irish/Welsh when they get caught with drugs?

Last one, how racist do people think stereotypes are?

for me, I think the idea that all Scottish people are tight fisted alcoholic psychos and that all Irish people are hard drinking idiot potato munchers, and the Welsh spend all day singing in a mine and all night fucking sheep, all fairly funny stuff. I don't however believe any of it. (ok, I don't believe most of it, but damn the Scots and Irish can sure put away the beer). I remember a bit from a Jerry Sadowitz show where he does an impression of Raj, the comedy indian, and just about hits every indian stereotype there is, and it was funny as hell, partly because racism is so taboo and partly because the stereotypes are so ridiculous.

It was along the lines of him just wrapping a towel around his head and putting on a hugely offensive accent and then saying stuff like 'Hello my name is Raj, and I wear my pyjamas all day and a business suit in bed and my favourite hobby is shortchanging people' etc etc.

Point is, he was doing it just after Harry Enfield had been accused of racism over his greek 'Stavros' character, and I think he showed well, just how ridiculous it was to target Harry Enfield when there's so much worse out there. We need to know when something is meant as a joke, and when it is meant to hurt or oppress or offend.
 

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TenthRegeneration said:
Booze Zombie said:
Please note an earlier post where I said I take things literally... and this guy did appear to mean it as "we fight for OUR slanty eyes".
Then again, I could be remembering it wrong. Either way, he didn't exactly sound pleasant about it...
Did he use a really funny, completely non-PC accent?
sure he didn't say 'sranty eyes'?

I'm actually embarrassed a little as to how easy it is for me to make borderline racist jokes in racism threads, they just bring them out of me, I guess as a way to flush out the easily angered.

I guess I see it that if it's meant to make people laugh, and not meant to hurt others, I don't have a problem with it.

There's a difference between making gentle fun at the way someone talks and 'jokes' like 'how do you stop a black man drowning? take your foot off his head', which is the kind of stuff that my school was full of in the 80s and I imagine would get you socially shunned at school nowadays, not for racism but for being horribly unfunny.
 

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I don't hate racism. It's just part of life neither good or bad as long as it stays in the forms of jokes and small things. Killing/raping people for being another race is too much but ya, jokes and shit really don't bother me at all. Fuck everyone is racist anyway and anyone who denies it is a fucking liar.
I am a damn good liar.

I don't drink cider or wear pants. Damn, I'm good. Wait, I mean... I'm not. Heh, heh.
 

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I hate it because of all the reasons to hate the people of earth (and oh how many there are...), doing it because of the color of someone's skin is dumb. It's much more personal to do it because someone is an idiot, or is mean.
 
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Slanty eyes, should remember that.

Racism is a terrible thing, but I dont really care if I am called cracker and do onto others is still in play.

I have many friends of many races and the way I figure is that the only way you are allowed to say a racial comment is if you have the guts to say in their face while they are looking at you. Saying it by yourself is also allowed, partly because it is sometimes hilarious and laughter is the best cure.
 

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SenseOfTumour said:
sure he didn't say 'sranty eyes'?
*slow clap*
Well played, sir. :)

SenseOfTumour said:
There's a difference between making gentle fun at the way someone talks and 'jokes' like 'how do you stop a black man drowning? take your foot off his head', which is the kind of stuff that my school was full of in the 80s and I imagine would get you socially shunned at school nowadays, not for racism but for being horribly unfunny.
Indeed. It has been many a year since I have heard that one, and even longer since it was funny.

I think the main problem is that you can't walk five feet without bumping into a racist joke, and I believe that the reason for this is that some people have made such a big deal about it. It's like an itch that you just have to scratch. So we tell our slightly racist jokes, and somewhere a minority dies a little inside.

Personally, I have no problem with racism, and almost welcome it at times. Why? Well heres my stereotype: "Hey! You have a lot of money you...you...jew!" and without flinching I reply "Yes, yes I do." Why? Because this is not a stereotype that I have any problem with. *Shrugs* but that's just me.
 

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I hate racism simply for the fact they consider people with different skin a different race but they aren't they are human there are no different races in humanity simply people with darker skin because of evolution of where they were born.
 

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I'm going to display my ignorance here, but I don't think we really have much of a Jewish culture in Britain, and we certainly don't know much about them.

However, even in the 80s, when I was about 8-10 maybe, I remember that if you was seen picking up a coin from the ground, you was immediately branded a Jew, and that if you was foolish enough to pick up a coin from the grass, about 10 other kids would all pile onto you for a 'jew bundle'.

Note we had no idea what the hell a jew was, it just meant that you was mean with money.

Also, even that far back, gay meant just 'bad or stupid', and in that context had no relevance or link to homosexuality. As in class, saying 'Sir, my calculator's being gay, can I borrow one?'

On that note, 55378008.

Also, well played to the escapist's users and mods that we can even discuss this, and the use of humour in racism, without getting the instant banhammer that some other forums would slap down.

Some places would be like 'Raci-'BANNED! and yet, I only wanted to talk about racing games.
 

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In my opinion, I hate racism, I find it extremely, well...stupid. Sorry, I cant find a better word. However! I really cant say anything cause apparently making jokes about others is considered racist if they have a different skin color, and honestly, its in our world enough that it will never be gone. So, racism is bad, I know that, but we really cant do anything about it, hell, it seems everything that leaves a stench on the world usually never fully leaves.

Also, stereotypes are indeed funny, if the people taking the beating are not pussies it seems. Sorry, thats my friends talking there.

Does it make me racist if I hate everyone? hehe

Of course, there is an easy solution and that is just ignoring such events... which i see many people do. heh, well... its always funny until someone gets hurt.
 

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I for one enjoy racism and racial stereotypes so long as it's not being used for beratement. Think black guy jokes, and even with friends of varying races they tell jokes to each other that, by definition, belittle another race and they're all okay with it. So it's not like it's a big deal really.
 

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Okay Ill admit something

I do make racist jokes like "slanty eyes" but im probably with a friend who might get a lil pissed and then laugh it off, or make fun of me back.

But im not really racist, at leat id like to think
 

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Not Good said:
I for one enjoy racism and racial stereotypes so long as it's not being used for beratement. Think black guy jokes, and even with friends of varying races they tell jokes to each other that, by definition, belittle another race and they're all okay with it. So it's not like it's a big deal really.

Your first line will have people going for your head
 

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Shurikens and Lightning said:
Saying it by yourself is also allowed, partly because it is sometimes hilarious and laughter is the best cure.
In as far as that making a joke of the racism could be a good thing, I agree. A great way to deal with bad things is to defang them, if you will, maybe by turning them into jokes. By refusing to validate offensive behavior or terms, and demonstrating how ridiculous they are, you can often help to eliminate them.

I can't speak for other regions, but in the eastern US where I grew up, I witnessed racism becoming much more subtle than in the past. That doesn't make it less of a problem, of course: unfortunately people of racial minorities are vastly over-represented in the lower-income rungs of society.

As a side note, some people in Japan really need to get over themselves. The other day at the supermarket I was waiting in line when the man behind me suddenly asked me if I eat rice. I was tempted to tell him that no I don't, I was buying that 10kg bag of rice because a lot of my friends are getting married.