Why do YOU think a human life is valuable?

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Gigano

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I value my own life, self, and overall personhood, and extrapolate from there.

As for differences to animals:

Something like a goldfish have little self; when it sleeps it might as well die and be replaced by a new one. A chimp have considerably more, it can't just be entirely replaced (though a new chimp would act much the same way due to being largely controlled by instinct, there would be slight differences in personality) and thus it's higher on the scale. Humans have most of all, being most self-aware and unique individuals, and thus they rank highest.

That, or inherent speciesism. Who really cares anyway?
 

blankedboy

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moretimethansense said:
Because humans are selfish, they believe their own lives to be worth more than other species therefore other humans live must be as well.
Most humans wouldn't kill themselves to save another, hell many humans would kill someone if they were an inconveience, it's their own lives they value, they act like human life is important because they want to believe their's is important.
Well it is, to them, because they're animals and therefore have survival instincts.

Tynermeister said:
moretimethansense said:
Tynermeister said:
moretimethansense said:
Because humans are selfish, they believe their own lives to be worth more than other species therefore other humans live must be as well.
Most humans wouldn't kill themselves to save another, hell many humans would kill someone if they were an inconveience, it's their own lives they value, they act like human life is important because they want to believe their's is important.
It's not selfishness (mostly), it's survival. Evolution has made sure that only things with strong survival instincts live.

You think humans are the only creatures capable of selfishness and asshole behaviour?

Elephants swing lizards around by the tail before smashing them to bits. For fun.
Ants practice slavery.
Ducks rape.

You look at each of these and think "well that's just how they've adapted to survive". What makes us any different?

(not meaning to sound like a rant. sry.)
Just because it's a survival instinct doesn't stop it being selfishness, I also never claimed we were the only species capable of being pure dicks, but you've got to admit as of yet we are the only species that tries to justify it's behavior.

Also on tyhe ants thing... you sure?
Cause I don't think worker ants count, it's more like feudalism or making biological robots to do your work for you.
Or do they actually preform something that would equate to slavery?
http://hubpages.com/hub/Intelligent_Ants

That's my source, anyway. According to this they do wage war, capture ants from other colonies, and kill ones who refuse to work. Actually looking at that article again, it's like looking at a mini human society.

"we are the only species that tries to justify it's behaviour." Yes, thats a good point.

Maybe if we ever find other sentient intelligent whatever the word is, life forms, we'll be a lot more capable of seeing what we really are. District 9 - style.
About the ants, they work as thousands of worker and warrior ants that are more like parts of the queen than something independent. The queen is the only one that actually makes decisions, they might have sentience, I don't know. Try to find a reliable source about that, it'd be interesting ^^
 

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Humans, for most of civilization have believed we are only under 'Gods' so most still believe our lives are above an animal's. An animal is put down for attacking a human but a human isn't killed for killing an animal?

Anyways, your value is judged by others. A friend of yours will save their brother rather than you because that brother holds more value to you. I'd save my pet instead of the other guy because he holds no value to me.

Value is objective. Blew your minds didn't I?



Someone?...Anyone. I'll leave now.
 

Vibhor

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Because its non renewable. I mean you can get a human back but not his memories or shit.
Humans are like your hard drive in which you store porn in. If the hard drive gets destroyed you can get another hard drive but it still wouldn't have your porn collection.
 

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"Another man or woman in your tribe is far more worth than 'cattle'" I'd answer with if I were some sort of evolution fan-boy...

But, I think it has to do with that the human shows off far more emotions to sicken you. Animals... Well, they don't do it as much.
As far as I am concerned, I rarely care about the intelligence of my fellow human when they are in danger.
 

emge

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It's neurological patterns developed over thousands of years of evolution to ensure the possibility to breed. There really is no such thing as a free mind, everything you do you do because it's in some way beneficial to you. Lets say you give some charity 1000$. It would seem this is a selfless action, but it's not, because it makes you feel better. If someone sacrifices their life to save someone else, it's because it made them feel good. Why? Because during the course of evolution valuing human life has proven beneficial to us and this behavioral pattern has been imprinted on us as the right thing to do.

Sure people can put different words together to describe this, and how they perceive it individually. But really it's just signals taking the path of least resistance in your brain.
 

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Hello, I actually have a question for this topic thread, and after sort of checking it out on the internet, i have not been able to find an answer to my question, so I hope one of you could help me out here. Before anyone bashes me, know that I am not a bad person, and I do not go out and arbitrarily harm any person or thing, sometimes though unknowingly to myself, I do manipulate people, but try to recognize it.

Basically my thing is this, I hold no value towards human life whatsoever. It doesnt stop with humans, it goes for animals as well. When I see a homeless person, an obese person, a disabled person, or a person in need, I have realized I feel no empathy, inside i feel nothing for them. If someone was starving, or being hurt, I would firstly think that it has nothing to do with me, and I am an outside observer. Even when I was in the military, I held little compassion for anyone. Out of the military it is even less.

A few months ago, I was in a relationship with a girl who loved me very much, but I did not love her back, I thought I did, but I instead liked the things she could give to me (the sexual aspects, cooking, taking care of me, etc.). Every time I went away to visit friends, I would hook up with quite a few people (making out or touching) and a few times I did cheat, but never felt bad about it, I actually found it almost funny, because in some cases, she knew the girls I was fooling around with. Even though I know that society classifies this as bad, I do not see it as so.

Also, the program I studied in university was Global Studies, where by we looked at development and governmental development strategies, and still yet, i could not feel empathy, I even support sweat shops because the statistical evidence shows that they are good to an economy and people.

I was walking down the Streets of Toronto (the biggest city in Canada) and someone stopped me about some sort of program that helps people in third world nations, and the way she posed her question, I actually inadvertently laughed in her face, needless to say she was shocked.

I dont think I have ever felt love, and if I have it has been for things such as the military, or beer, or partying. Never for a person, matter of fact, I enjoy manipulating people into liking me.

To go even further into this, the part I am least compassionate about is religion. I hold no disdain against a certain religion, but more so to all of them. I attend services and laugh inside at how people can sit in this building believeing that if they mutter some words, some divine being will reach out to them, it is really incredibly ridiculous to me. I went a few times just for the laughter inside.

I know that all of this seems incredibly bad in societies eyes, hell, i will say even crime does not phase me, if I knew how to make money from it, I would. I am not a bad person, people who know me will say that I am a kind person, an outgoing person, and a trusting and loyal person. My mother will say I am selfish, arrogant, and self-absorbed, but I think this is because I am so much like her.

My question then to this community is why. Why do I think like this, why do I believe this. I was never beaten or starved, never psychologically traumatized. In fact, when I was young I lived in a poorer area, then moved into a rich area so i have lived both lives, I was well fed, well educated, worked at a library so I always read, always did sports, I am a normal person, but I have these thoughts. Why?
 

BigTortoise

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I hate humans, personally. Most humans, anyway. That being said I wouldn't kill a stranger to save my pet unless I dislike that person.
 

SillyBear

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TestECull said:
I don't think they're worth anything at all. Mine isn't worth anything, yours isn't, politicians' aren't, they're all worthless. All six billion of 'em.
Considering the most effecting and emotional moment in most people's life is the death of a friend or a loved one, I'm going to call bullshit on this fucking internet tough guy nihilism.

The reaction to someone dying doesn't even compare to any other human emotional reaction. How anyone can say a life is meaningless is absolutely beyond me.

Anyway, to answer the question: Human life has value because of the horrible feeling we all get when we lose someone. It's a selfish kind of value, but it is still a value.

If human life truly had no value, when someone died we would experience an emotional reaction similar to losing a 1 cent coin. But we don't. It absolutely shatters us. Funny that, isn't it?
 

paintman

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We hold human life higher because we cannot communicate easily with animals. It would be a little harder to mentally justify eating something that could plead with you to spare it.
 

stormyverse

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would someone be able to shed light on my question, is there any reason why I would feel as though human life is valueless, any life in fact
 

SillyBear

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paintman said:
We hold human life higher because we cannot communicate easily with animals. It would be a little harder to mentally justify eating something that could plead with you to spare it.
This is part of it, but the main reason is instinctual and transcends any sort of rationality or conscious thought process. Human beings are immediately identifiable and relatable, even without language and even without communication. The death of one human can mean dire things for many others, and it is deeply seeded in our evolution.

For example, the death of your tribe's best hunter can mean you are all going to starve to death. Even the death of just one arbitrary tribe member results in a smaller amount of genetic diversity within your community.

That's why we intrinsically care so much about the life of another human. You can't rationalise or try to apply logic to it. You see lots of trendy nihilists talking about how life is meaningless because there is six billion people and the world keeps spinning regardless of whether most of us live or die. That's all great, and that's certainly a logical argument, but I'd like to see them say that when it's their mother or son or sister or best friend who is the deceased. Thing is, they never do. Well a tiny portion do, but they invariably have something wrong with their brain.

It's emotional. It's in our evolution and its in our codependency. You can't apply logic to any of that. It's like trying to apply logic to attraction, or love, or anger, or hate. You just can't do it. You can try all you like, but it doesn't change how we all intrinsically feel.

Perhaps the biggest flaw in the argument of "human life is worthless" is that without human life, without your life and the life of others, none of this would be possible. Not love. Not film. Not music. Not art. Not the internet and not video games. How is the sole reason for all of this worthless?

People are strange, man.
 

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Every species values its own first, the rest second. If a species did not, it would not have survived evolution this long.
 

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ITT: Pessimists.


I value life because, on average, everyone has at least 1 person who cares about them. A man probably has an entire family that loves them, worries about them, and cares for them.

Which makes it all the more painful that I've actually ended somebody's life. I stay awake, thinking of that man's family who will never see him again. They probably hate me. They hate the person that took their son, husband, and father away from them. Watching his eyes as he slipped away is the single most traumatizing experience I have had, and will ever have.

Back on topic, I think SillyBear sums up most of the rest of how I view life.