It is you who have it wrong. Atheist means not believing in god/gods. Agnostic refers to whether you think it can be truly known or will forever be unknowable. I bet you'd have a hard time finding a gnostic atheist.shadowsoul222 said:I think you're slightly confused about the terminology here. Atheist means someone who purposefully believes that God/a god/gods DON'T exist. Whereas what your talking about is more of agnostic, where you just haven't given thought to it and don't care whether there is or isn't.
gigastrike said:I think it's because they both draw the "intellectual" crowd.
... Take me with you!HerbertTheHamster said:Y'know, it's the exact opposite where I live. Anyone who goes to church is pretty much branded as a moron
Funny thing about Deism and America is many of the Founding Fathers where Deist. Yet there is still huge persecution against non-christians and many different versions of christian faith...Ultratwinkie said:Because Atheists are so few in number (at least in America), they tend to stick to places where they wont be persecuted. You cannot be harmed through a computer screen. Despite what society says, anything other than Christianity and Judaism is taboo. Even being a Deist is enough to spawn persecution, and wide spread fear. It kills your social life, and reputation.
The internet gives a persecuted minority to have a voice without fear. At least that's how I see it.
Also this video seems to explain it better:
Have to say this seems to be a fairly civil group, compared to some slightly more aggressive *cough*http://shelleytherepublican.com/*cough* groups. Quite honestly I can't tell if they are Trolling, or completely insane. not saying that there aren't crazy atheists out there, but I think that these people may just take the crazy cakelunncal said:You need to check out places like [link]http://www.christianforums.com/[/link]. You know, the god-fearing hives of scum and villainy.
That's exactly like what I just said. You're blaming the whole thing, rather than a few individuals who ruin it for everybody else.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:Thats why i blame the organizations and not the followers.
and that my friend is the irony of ignorant followers... By the way, was it Theodore or Franklin that said that?Ultratwinkie said:Exactly. It started when Thomas Paine threw down the gauntlet with the Age of Reason. Now anyone who is Deist gets persecuted because of Christian doctoring of history. It was to bury any argument Thomas Paine or Deism ever used, which are common arguments Atheists use now. They tried to convince people that Thomas Paine recanted at his death by making up some ridiculous story, and it worked. This fear and hatred of Deism went as far as Abraham Lincoln's presidency. Lincoln wrote an essay trying to defend Paine, only for his friend to burn it "to save his political career." It even went into the administration of Roosevelt, who called him a "dirty little Atheist."VanTesla said:Funny thing about Deism and America is many of the Founding Fathers where Deist. Yet there is still huge persecution against non-christians and many different versions of christian faith...Ultratwinkie said:Because Atheists are so few in number (at least in America), they tend to stick to places where they wont be persecuted. You cannot be harmed through a computer screen. Despite what society says, anything other than Christianity and Judaism is taboo. Even being a Deist is enough to spawn persecution, and wide spread fear. It kills your social life, and reputation.
The internet gives a persecuted minority to have a voice without fear. At least that's how I see it.
Also this video seems to explain it better:
This started a trend in historical revisionism dictated by Christianity. After all of this, after being nearly stamped out from history itself, Christians still claim they are the most persecuted people on Earth.
Both of you hit the nail exactly on the head; it is the anonymity. I am not shy about saying that I am an atheist and I have had many one-on-one conversations with co-workers and acquaintances who were raised in a religious background. They have told me straight out that they would never dare raise doubts out loud in public for fear of being condemned.conflictofinterests said:Exactly, and especially on secular sites, your scrutiny isn't going to cause any alarm or distress, it will simply be treated as scrutiny. The majority isn't going to tell you you're wrong, or that what you're asking is a sin. They'll try to answer you, or they'll say that they were thinking the same thing.Darkmantle said:I think that the anonymity of the internet allows people to state their beliefs without being judged or vilified by their real life peers/family. Many a closet atheist is on the internet because their religious parents (for the sake of example) would not approve of their choice. That would explain why there are less open atheists on the net than IRL.