why does call of duty get so much hate?

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johnnnny guitar

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hmm well I actually like the look of black ops 2 I haven't bought a Call of duty since MW2 but have played all the campains and I think that that if black ops 2 is a big enoguh leap I might end up picking it up within the year it comes out.
Then again I could always borrow it from a friend I'm one of those rare types that plays Call of duty mostly for the single player and co-op
 

Brad Shepard

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for a few reasons, let me list them

1: There all the same games
2: it started making other games like CoD
3: franchise want to get the CoD crowd, RE developers have said this to give a key point
4: it started the "Go back to CoD" bullshit.

If memory serves me right, sales are starting to go down for CoD and FPS games in general, and I am happy for that.
 

karcentric

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Because they do the same thing over and over and over Muricka saving the day... tis boring. If CoD did a game where the Russians smashed up the US I'd buy it in a shot.

Also it doesn't matter how many well mannered people play a game, it's going to be the 1% so fuckheads to ruin the whole thing.
 

Cry Wolf

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solidsnake101023 said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Hazy992 said:
Those numbers for COD are out of date:
COD 4 - 15+ million
MW2 - 22 million
Black Ops - 25 million

Also, apart from the Sims all of the examples you gave were bundled with consoles. Black Ops is the highest selling game of all time in the US and Europe.
SIR. I PROTEST.

Are you suggesting something I read on Wikipedia and took at face value was misleading in some way!?
Dont qoute me on this but i think Counter Strike has sold 26 million coppies.
"As of August 2011, the Counter-Strike franchise (Valve) has sold over 27 million units" - Wikipedia

That number makes me feel much better, despite the obvious flaws in comparing that figure to the number of sales of a Call of Duty game.
 
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No there is precious little innovation with CoD and I'm going to counter your I play it competitively with I did and stopped after CoD 4. Balance has gone down the fucking crapper after CoD 4 and CoD games were never known for balance to begin with and that goes with all the other problems they have not fixed over the years such as spawns. The maps for BO(the last CoD spin off/subtitle I will play) were god awful. No mechanics have not changed wildly since CoD 4. You can see clear differences between CoDs 1, UO, 2 and 4. I discount 3 as it was not on PC.

I've seen people's first mod map attempts that were better and more inspired than those maps. There was very little variety in size and the same weapons ended up just being the best choice for all the maps because they were all small and close quarters. What happened to stuff like Beltot and Brecourt? Even the maps that are big in CoD: BO have been shaped and moulded into a way that you will always end up no further than mid range combat which is a shame.

I will never for the life of me understand why they keep making maps like Shipment, Killhouse and Nuketown god of awful piles of code that they are. I for fuck sake Shipment is literally a square with some stuff thrown in and that is all there is to it. God forbid someone gets an air strike or a helicopter. Way too many servers with Nuketown and all the good ones got too full too quickly.

"Not balanced for lean" worst excuse for taking of a feature ever.

All the time I spent playing Black Ops not once did I stop and think "Wow this is fun I am so glad I bought this and will continue purchasing CoD games" or anything similar. The series is dead to me now unless major changes occur. You are fine to keep enjoying it.

Well and that and they also fucked over a major portion of their original fanbase with MW 2 and if you don't remember that you probably weren't on the internet for a very long time coming up to the release and post release of MW 2. I even hate that people associate CoD 4 with MW 2 by calling it by its subtitle but that is just a me thing.

Edit: For an example of being good does not make you popular would be Dracula. Highly critically acclaimed at the time but no one bought it.
 

Deviluk

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The more popular a game is, the more opinions there are about it. And this being the internet, theres gonna be more negative criticism and jokes because its funnier then saying "Hey this is why this game is great."

I like em, I think the single players are worth playing through, and the spec ops are really fun to do with friends. Saying that, I replayed the campaign in MW1 so many times, I redid the most fun missions in MW2 and SpecOps a few times, but only got through MW3 once...not so much fun anymore, plus I didn't play the multiplayer for more than 2 hours, whereas I logged about 50 on MW2.

So I guess people who are just starting to play them really like them, and those who've been playing since CoD 2 have gotten bored of them by now.
 

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I haven't bought a CoD game at release.. well.. ever...

But they are fun, and people who enjoy them shouldn't be treated badly.

The problem is the "gaming community" has lost touch with the only important thing about a game. "Is the person playing it having fun?"
 

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Once again, I just find it pathetic they release roughly the same game every year for $100 (in Australia). How uncreative can you get?

Can you imagine if all the biggest developers found a cash cow like COD and milked that every year? Same games every year after year.

Imagine if movies were like that and every thursday your choices would be a childish 3D animation, a romance comedy and a war movie. It's not too far from that already and it sucks ass!

COD may be the only franchise doing it so far but I'd rather speak out against them now before it gets any more bland.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
I dislike it for one reason, and one reason only.

No matter how good a game is, no matter how innovative, no matter how mind blowingly awesome it is.

It will never outsell Call of Duty.

I even enjoy the CoD titles, but I fucking hate that they're the bestselling titles of all time.
I once had the entirety of a gamestop employees confront me after I said I wasn't bothering with MW3 and no preorder. The best line I heard from them was "It's the best selling series of all time, of course it's the best game made!"

Yes because all opinions circle around stats, it can be the best game of all time but if you don't enjoy the game, whyyyyy would you buy it and why would it be the best to you?

:| arg
 

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1. if it wasn't good it wouldn't be popular, i can see why some people may personally dislike the game but to call it a bad game is probably wrong
Not necessarily saying CoD's bad, but that's not a good argument, at all. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good, just as something being good doesn't automatically make it popular. There are tons of good games that aren't very popular, but they're good all the same.

But the problem people have with CoD isn't really that it's "bad" per se; it's just so repetitive! It's literally rehash after rehash, and I don't see how you can deny that. Their mechanics don't change.
 

Adeptus Aspartem

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Actually the reason i dislike CoD is not the game itself, its what it stand for.

People bein' happy with mediocrity if it's advertised well. 'cause a big chunk of those sells are "casuals" and they just don't care about "good games".
Lookin' at WoW's expansion-fest, EA's Sports game which get recycled every year and also CoD.

I see the stupidity of the masses and i'm disgusted.
The game is.. meh ok.
 

IrateDonnie

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I don't hate COD for the consoles, I hate it for pc. Seriously I bought MW2 a while ago on Steam I might have played for 10 minutes before I found a hacker. I played the free weekend for MW3 this past weekend & managed to find a hacker my first game,deleted it after 15 minutes. I still play CoD4 on pc though, the hackers are few & far between there.
 

Tom Artingstall

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The games actually aren't bad. Frankly I think it's just the default nerdly mindset to rally against the popular things. Now that games aren't the sole domain of the geek-ish community, we've started to split the video game universe into "jock games" and "gamer games". CoD is "mainstream" and enjoyed by non-geeks.

Edit: For reference, I consider myself a member of the latter. I wasted most of last night on Dragon Age.

They're still decent games. Nice big flashy setpieces. They're more fun and kill more time than your average action flick, and honestly if I'm hankering for a bit of gunfire and explosions, I'd rather play MW3 than watch the latest 3D abortion starring one of the cast of The Expendables.
 

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Personally i don't mind it, but i cant say i'm a fan for a few reasons.

1) It's a twitch shooter. No matter how good your tactics are you will always get stomped by the guy who runs around and can pull the trigger 0.10 seconds faster than you.

2) The maps are far too small and encourage a type of game play mentioned in 1.

3) Kill streak rewards, or the 'i'm doing really well so lets completely slant the odds in my favour by giving me even more of an advantage' mechanic.

4) Unbalanced levelling and perks, so lower level players are disadvantaged to an unfair level. Ask your self this, what's with the prestige system? i spend all that time unlocking stuff and then i get to start over again with an extra custom slot and a new badge? Why?! Non of the things i get by gong prestige help me in any way. No what the prestige system is really for is to prolong the time it takes for people to reach max level and have everything unlocked thus letting them dominate everyone else.
 

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It's very simple. When people find something they're not a fan of but lots of other people are they will immediately denegrate it. Pure in-groups/out-groups social psychology.

People hate being wrong. There's the dellusion of held by some people claiming they're a "non-conformist". These people are like the millions of other non-conformists who want to believe they're a unique special snow-flake. But in general most people want to see themselves as right and part of normal society, or at least better than average.

Finding out that everybody enjoys something but you don't creates an internal conflict. There's only two explanations, or RATIONALISATIONS that can resolve this conflict.

Either,
1) you are not like the large majority of people, society will continue to choose things that don't fit your needs and wants because most people are not like you. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's the reality that when you want B, most people might choose A and this is no good for you. You are the outcast of society. That is a problem.

OR 2) you are better/smarter than a large majority of people and it is only a matter of time they realise how right you are... the numpties.

Guess which one most people choose.


The reality is for games and most media is that it doesn't matter. Subjective tastes vary wildly. Something like CoD being the biggest seller almost guarantees it's not the "best" game for most of its fans, its just the one with the most universal appeal. The best average. Also games are such specific instances that liking one doesn't mean liking something almost identical to it. Hence the reason other military shooters near identical to CoD have NOT achieved the same success. So there's no reason to give a flying f**k if someone likes CoD or not, unless you fear being an outcast.

This kind of hatred escalates the bigger something is in relation to other things people like. There are plenty of examples of people hating something simply becauses it's hugely popular;
Angry Birds, Twilight, CoD, Mario/Zelda/Nintendo, Xbox, Sony, Titanic, Dances with Wolves, the list goes on.

And to prove that's it not a well thought out point they'll either proclaim "it's complete shit" giving no credit to whatever it might do right. When they do try to give points as to why it's usually fairly nit-picking stuff. Not innovative enough, too innovative, a rip-off of something else. All general statements that can be levelled at ANY form of media usually.

With CoD the only concern is how much it influences the development of other games. Because CoD was so successful, way too many developers are trying to jump on the bandwagon. Some will succeed (Battlefield 3), others will fail (Medal of Honor). But like Angry Bird clones they'll realise modern consumers don't work like that so hopefully they'll stop. Hopefully the Kinect/PS Move attempt to jump on the Wii remote boat taught them that as well.

Personally I like CoD, but they broke my heart with MW2. They used to be wonderfully immersive experiences into the faceless soldier. They used to give the illusion of being in a real soldier's boots (idealised I know but convincing in a band of brothers cinematic way). Then MW2 missed the point completely. CoD BLOPS missed it even more. MW3 got some of it back but by this stage my expectations of what CoD means has changed a lot.

The fanboy/anti-fanboy stuff I just find completely tedious. It works on the principle that somehow everyone's opnion matters when virtually none of them do, including my own.
 

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I suppose I don't hate the series. It's not like I turn into a seething mass of rage at the mention of its name.

But I sure as hell don't like Call of Duty.

The only game I've played in the series was Black Ops, which I guess is supposed to be the best? Really, really lackluster. It wasn't even fun. I would almost go as far to say that it was anti-fun. I was having more fun playing no games at all.
 
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It's boring, repetitive and has the most elitist players, also this:

mik1 said:
Call of duty is isn't innovative. Please don't pretend it is. People get call of duty because they know all their friends will also. It's also attractive to new gamers for two main reasons. One being the reason previously stated, and the other is because it is fucking easy to do at least decent.

My brother played COD 4 and no others in the series. I once had him play black ops with me, and he couldn't tell a difference between it and COD 4. If someone can't tell a difference in two games made 5 years apart
that is fucking sad.

The reason I hate COD is not because of the game itself; it's mostly just the impact it has on the industry. COD is the game all publishers aspire to make. And they waste resources failing replicate a game that was already sold half a decade ago.
It fails to innovate everytime.

Wake me up when the gameplay vids for Dishonoured are out. That looks like a shooter with innovation
 

Proverbial Jon

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My biggest problem with Call of Duty?

I remember the first game, I bought it for PC and LOVED the shit out of it. It blew Medal of Honor out of the water and provided healthy competition for EA games at the time. For a time EA and Activision had a good thing going, but then...

The sequels came. Call of Duty hit upon some sort of perfect formula and then they proceded to duplicate this multiple times in order to sell virtually the same product over and over. Call of Duty 1 to 3 were more or less the same game. I enjoyed Modern Warfare because it was something new, but then they moved on to milk that a further 3 times as well. I haven't even bothered with Black Ops but I see the same pattern emerging...

Call of Duty ensures that dev teams and their respective publishers don't try anything new or risky because they know what sells better. That's fair enough, it's a sound business model, but it's not good for the industry as a whole. With every new Call of Duty game that tops the charts we lose out on another Mirror's Edge or Deadly Premonition simply because that particular innovative game didn't sell so well.

That, my friend, is why I dislike Call of Duty and also, to a slightly lesser extent, Assassin's Creed as well.
 

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Well to answer your two parts.

un-innovationness- This is mostly because it feels like a re-release of the same overall game.. new paint new shrubs and you get a new full game release of the same house you payed for before. you don't exactly list any particualar examples for me to work with on what exactly is vastly different between the games. (if you say maps I'll kindly hit you with a light paper object) It's why it gets the madden label tossed around. I'de personally love to hear (no sarcasm, I really would) what is added or changed in each game that couldn't be added in a content patch or at least far cheaper DLC than in a full game release.

Extra note to above: It feel part of this hate comes from the fact that this sort of sales scheme works to well as well as it's starting to pop up in a lot of other genre's and aside from madden I don't really remember it being quite a prevalent. (but I've also expanded my genre's I play recently so they may have just skated by unnoticed till now) Fighting games being the biggest offender with a far more blatant rerelease scheme.

12 year old screaming racists: While unfair yes, the vocal minority is indeed the face that the world outside will see with the game. Till we as a whole find away to wash away such problems it'll remain a constant stigma. It's why anyone who choose to at any point watch MLP is immedately given weird looks because every jumps to the brony in general.. (which gets an extra bad look as everyone tends to associate even innocent bronies with the guys who draw creepy not safe for work fan art) Anime fans immediately get lumped in with narutards (The kids who scream at the top of their lungs and run around with their arms straight back behind them) and the girls who think they live in hetalia (the weird ones who call each other the names of countries in public or try and study for history tests with the show.) even if they've never actually seen either series. Thus is the world of stereotypes we live in and one that's not an easy fix.

An extra note: Affects on gaming: As I touch on in the other extra note, the sheer popularity of the series is treated as a mark against it unfairly but some of the hate is deserved simply because it's popularity and high sales has changed the dynamics of gaming. One example you actually mentioned is the Mass effect 3 MP. This is a symptom of a disease (in lack of a better term) that can be generally traced back to MW1. The need of multiplayer with everything even games it otherwise wouldn't fit. (another example that gets run about was the dead space 2 MP, and if I remember right the old remake of Area 51 was going to be completely single player till being forced to stuff a MP into it) MW showed that MP sells well and now every game has it grafted or glued in where one generally wouldn't be needed (or wanted in some cases.) Mind you it's not all bad, I personally enjoy the ME3 MP myself, but the stigma of it is that it steals resources from the main components of the game to be made (even when not.. but that's another story)

(Hope that is all readable and such, sick and kinda dizzy while typing this..)
 

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1.its extremely unbalanced,in most games you can get decent k/d with the first gun you can get without attachments(the battlefeild series,halo,tf2 ect) .cod on the other hand ass fucks you til you can get a decent gun or attachments (BALANCED SHOOTERS DON'T WORK THIS WAY) 2.the story's since 4 have turned into bad russains vs manly super uber soldiers who piss's red white and blue. thus degrading a series about the hardships of the average soldier to a micheal bay movie without the nice tits 3.over priced capcom-like dlc 4. yearly release's