Why does old music equal superiority?
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Hell yeah, Stravinsky could play his orchestras in two keys at once, and I'm damn sure no modern "shock artist" could cause a riot in ten-seconds flat. Nowadays everyone just plays the same meter over and over again while covering up this crime against music with lyrics. I personally blame the minimalists.God said:
Because that music has stood the test of time, it's endured through the years. And while I'm sure there are many bands that will also survive for our children's generation, I doubt any of that auton-tuned crap will be remembered 6 months from the release date.
While I confess I like to explore autotuning, the music industry is being a goddamn ****** about it these days. And let's not forget that it's being infiltrated by talentless vaccuums like Justin Bieber.insaneHoshi said:
I don't like Old rock either (with a bunch of exceptions of course), because alot of bands are just boring.
Beatles have some great songs, course they do. But I don't like them all, I don't even like most of them.
I listen to Metal, Techno, Alt Rock, Classical, and a few exceptions here and there.
I do not listen to any Country, 99.9% or rap/hip hop, and 99% of pop.
Why? Because the stuff I listen to is real music.
Classical is the most fundamental type of music, because it is, lol, you can't even argue that it isn't.
I like Classical because it just sounds good, and while it can be very technical and complex, it can be very simple and still be beautiful.
I like Classical because you can make any sound, any mood, anything; by using a piano, a violin, or a few woodwinds.
The beauty of Alt Rock is it is Alternative, meaning there is no way you cannot like at least one Alt Rock band, because it is so incredibly diverse.
I like Alt Rock because it is always fresh, and the diversity of sounds that any one (good) band can make is absolutely astounding.
I like Alt Rock because the ability to make a heavy thrashy song mesh into a slow acoustic song, is really sweet.
Techno is just about as artificial as you can get, and you may think "well why don't you like Pop then?" and I'll answer that in a moment.
I like Techno because it can make any sound a human can think of. Dinosaur roar? Check. The sound a grenade would make if it was thrown into a blender? Check. What AC DC would sound like if it was faster, had less suck, and different instruments? Check.
I like Techno because it uses auto-tune the way it is supposed to be used; mockingly and sparingly. Everytime you hear auto-tune in Techno, it is used in a way that you know auto-tune is being used, and the artist does not try to say "oh, thats actually that person's voice, not tune-age" (there are some non-auto-tune singers in Techno songs of course). Besides that, Techno is the only form of music that can make me detach from my body's senses (no, I don't use drugs, lawl)
Metal is my favourite kind of music, but I don't like 100% of Metal. That would be stupid.
I like Metal because it just sounds awesome. When the chords and instruments mingle together in certain ways, the sound feels warm. I have no other way to describe it.
I like Metal because like Alt Rock, it is so incredibly diverse, and can make just about any sound and feeling happen all in one song.
Now why don't I like Rap, Pop, and Country?
Easy!
Country: Here is every single Country song you have heard, and ever will hear: My dog/horse/truck/girlfriend/job/friends don't like me/like me/want me to die and want to leave me/party/random. 90% of songs are on the more negative side. Once per album, the word "honkey tonk" will be used. Every single Country singer will wear jeans and a cowboy hat, but less than 1% actually have been on a farm ever.
To me, the entire Country genre seems to be mocking the real Cowboys that existed in the past, and were genuinely badass.
Pop: Auto-tune, repetitive lyrics/topics, and most of the songs just sound really stupid and lame.
Rap/hip hop: Oh wow, you're so gangster! You teach that ***** what to do! YEAH! Do what to the coppers now? Shootz them? (all of that is incredibly repetitive and doesn't even sound good. Saying ************ more often than Samuel L. Jackson, is not cool?)
TL;DR version:
I like Music. Good music is good, Bad music is bad, and like any music, the old stuff is liked by the respective generations because it was their music growing up
Beatles have some great songs, course they do. But I don't like them all, I don't even like most of them.
I listen to Metal, Techno, Alt Rock, Classical, and a few exceptions here and there.
I do not listen to any Country, 99.9% or rap/hip hop, and 99% of pop.
Why? Because the stuff I listen to is real music.
Classical is the most fundamental type of music, because it is, lol, you can't even argue that it isn't.
I like Classical because it just sounds good, and while it can be very technical and complex, it can be very simple and still be beautiful.
I like Classical because you can make any sound, any mood, anything; by using a piano, a violin, or a few woodwinds.
The beauty of Alt Rock is it is Alternative, meaning there is no way you cannot like at least one Alt Rock band, because it is so incredibly diverse.
I like Alt Rock because it is always fresh, and the diversity of sounds that any one (good) band can make is absolutely astounding.
I like Alt Rock because the ability to make a heavy thrashy song mesh into a slow acoustic song, is really sweet.
Techno is just about as artificial as you can get, and you may think "well why don't you like Pop then?" and I'll answer that in a moment.
I like Techno because it can make any sound a human can think of. Dinosaur roar? Check. The sound a grenade would make if it was thrown into a blender? Check. What AC DC would sound like if it was faster, had less suck, and different instruments? Check.
I like Techno because it uses auto-tune the way it is supposed to be used; mockingly and sparingly. Everytime you hear auto-tune in Techno, it is used in a way that you know auto-tune is being used, and the artist does not try to say "oh, thats actually that person's voice, not tune-age" (there are some non-auto-tune singers in Techno songs of course). Besides that, Techno is the only form of music that can make me detach from my body's senses (no, I don't use drugs, lawl)
Metal is my favourite kind of music, but I don't like 100% of Metal. That would be stupid.
I like Metal because it just sounds awesome. When the chords and instruments mingle together in certain ways, the sound feels warm. I have no other way to describe it.
I like Metal because like Alt Rock, it is so incredibly diverse, and can make just about any sound and feeling happen all in one song.
Now why don't I like Rap, Pop, and Country?
Easy!
Country: Here is every single Country song you have heard, and ever will hear: My dog/horse/truck/girlfriend/job/friends don't like me/like me/want me to die and want to leave me/party/random. 90% of songs are on the more negative side. Once per album, the word "honkey tonk" will be used. Every single Country singer will wear jeans and a cowboy hat, but less than 1% actually have been on a farm ever.
To me, the entire Country genre seems to be mocking the real Cowboys that existed in the past, and were genuinely badass.
Pop: Auto-tune, repetitive lyrics/topics, and most of the songs just sound really stupid and lame.
Rap/hip hop: Oh wow, you're so gangster! You teach that ***** what to do! YEAH! Do what to the coppers now? Shootz them? (all of that is incredibly repetitive and doesn't even sound good. Saying ************ more often than Samuel L. Jackson, is not cool?)
TL;DR version:
I like Music. Good music is good, Bad music is bad, and like any music, the old stuff is liked by the respective generations because it was their music growing up
ok, I basically can't be bothered to read through six pages and see if anyone brought this up, but I have a point to make.
a lot of old music was fucking terrible.
of course, a lot of new music is also terrible, I'm not denying it. but because it's current, we're being exposed to ALL of it; the bad stuff, the good stuff, the mind-numbingly terrible shit you secretly love and would never tell your friends about.
as time goes by, like 90% of today's music will be forgotten. people won't be listening to it, won't talk about, we'll forget about all the shit that we listened to, except for the lingering "oh remember that one terrible band, hahaha yeah, can't believe I ever liked that one song from them" that hangs around.
old music equals superiority, I posit, pretty much purely because it is the superior stuff that has hung around until today, as "old music". the shit got lost in the ~sands of time~
it's like books, or paintings, or, or, movies, or pretty much anything that is a cultural constant and changes throughout the years.
a lot of old music was fucking terrible.
of course, a lot of new music is also terrible, I'm not denying it. but because it's current, we're being exposed to ALL of it; the bad stuff, the good stuff, the mind-numbingly terrible shit you secretly love and would never tell your friends about.
as time goes by, like 90% of today's music will be forgotten. people won't be listening to it, won't talk about, we'll forget about all the shit that we listened to, except for the lingering "oh remember that one terrible band, hahaha yeah, can't believe I ever liked that one song from them" that hangs around.
old music equals superiority, I posit, pretty much purely because it is the superior stuff that has hung around until today, as "old music". the shit got lost in the ~sands of time~
it's like books, or paintings, or, or, movies, or pretty much anything that is a cultural constant and changes throughout the years.
I think the main reason it can be interpreted that there is a lot less good music around nowadays is because of the internet.
Take the deathcore scene for example. It's been especially quick to make use of the internet for promotion of music, and now a scene that many people (including myself) believe has come from watering down intricate, innovative death metal to open string chugging has become saturated with soundalikes.
That, and the "bedroom studio" has spread. "Pro-sumer" level equipment is now extremely affordable and the safety nets digital recording gives us mean sloppy recordings can be edited, sample replaced and/or tuned to have a semblance of being a professional performance. But with editing, there's no middle ground. You either sound like you really sounded, or you sound inhumanly perfect.
So, this results in soundalike bands not taking the time to practice playing music together to the point where they are tight and synchronised in a human, realistic way, then recording in a bedroom studio, editing sloppy performances to be inhumanly tight and releasing music before they have proved themselves to be truly talented.
This in turn gives people unrealistic expectations of what tightness is and what to expect of a recording of musicians playing music.
I listen to a lot of death metal, and a lot of the recordings may not be as clean and polished, the playing may be far less tight than we are used to with these modern editing capabilities but the difference is that death metal bands of the 90's had to take the time to become tight when playing together in a room and the sound of real human beings playing real music FOR REAL is always going to be what stays the course.
Things come full circle, they always do. This decade of music has been a downward spiral, maybe it will continue for the next decade, but then it will come back around.
Take the deathcore scene for example. It's been especially quick to make use of the internet for promotion of music, and now a scene that many people (including myself) believe has come from watering down intricate, innovative death metal to open string chugging has become saturated with soundalikes.
That, and the "bedroom studio" has spread. "Pro-sumer" level equipment is now extremely affordable and the safety nets digital recording gives us mean sloppy recordings can be edited, sample replaced and/or tuned to have a semblance of being a professional performance. But with editing, there's no middle ground. You either sound like you really sounded, or you sound inhumanly perfect.
So, this results in soundalike bands not taking the time to practice playing music together to the point where they are tight and synchronised in a human, realistic way, then recording in a bedroom studio, editing sloppy performances to be inhumanly tight and releasing music before they have proved themselves to be truly talented.
This in turn gives people unrealistic expectations of what tightness is and what to expect of a recording of musicians playing music.
I listen to a lot of death metal, and a lot of the recordings may not be as clean and polished, the playing may be far less tight than we are used to with these modern editing capabilities but the difference is that death metal bands of the 90's had to take the time to become tight when playing together in a room and the sound of real human beings playing real music FOR REAL is always going to be what stays the course.
Things come full circle, they always do. This decade of music has been a downward spiral, maybe it will continue for the next decade, but then it will come back around.
Because nostalgia reigns supreme.
There was just as much crap back then, probably more, there was just this lucky period when some of the decent bands became popular.
It's really easy to find amazing music nowadays if you, oh I dunno, fucking look for it.
Basing the state of music because of the charts is like judging all games because of Madden.
And honestly, if you think all old music is better than new music I wouldn't consider you a music fan, because you're too lazy to actually look for good music.
There was just as much crap back then, probably more, there was just this lucky period when some of the decent bands became popular.
It's really easy to find amazing music nowadays if you, oh I dunno, fucking look for it.
Basing the state of music because of the charts is like judging all games because of Madden.
And honestly, if you think all old music is better than new music I wouldn't consider you a music fan, because you're too lazy to actually look for good music.
i like old music.... because i like old music?
lol
i love my oldies but there are a few songs out today that i enjoy listining to every once and a while
lol
i love my oldies but there are a few songs out today that i enjoy listining to every once and a while
As much as i love alot of modern music especially modern metal,no artist today can evoke emotion from like The Black Crowes,Frank Sinatra and Stevie Ray Vaughan do.Seventy-five percent of the time I listen to Stevie Ray Vaughan play little wing i tear up and i cant help it.
Oh I lied there is one modern artist that gets alot of emotion from me and thats Richie Kotzen.
Oh I lied there is one modern artist that gets alot of emotion from me and thats Richie Kotzen.
Okay, so I work in the industry and I'm going to ruin the thread by giving you the real answer to this question.DesiPrinceX09 said:
People who say 60s/70s/80s music is better have generally only heard the small fraction of it that has survived. If they were actually listening to all the new music back then, they would know that most music back then was shitty and they would probably have been all like "this new music is crap, music from the 30s and 40s was better", because they would have liked very little of it. Of course people never learn from history.
Laughing hard at the people saying new music is crap because it's Auto-tuned, or fake, or about money/materialistic, or uses sex to sell itself, or whatever. Let's take a trip down memory lane:
The following band aren't actually playing their own instruments, and in fact they didn't play ANY of their own instruments on ANY of their own recordings from the 1960s:
And they weren't the only ones. In fact this state of affairs was normal in the 1960s.
The following actress has been overdubbed with another singer's voice, who had better pitching. That's right, pitch-correction, 50 years before Auto-tune supposedly "ruined music" (pfft):
And let's not forget that other pitch-correction tool, re-sampling, although most re-sampling isn't as obvious as on this infamous 1980s track, it's what was used to "fix it in the mix" for decades before Auto-tune came along:
As for materialism and general lack of soul/integrity, this band were so obviously in it for the money that they even called themselves after a slang word for money, "Bread":
And using sex to sell music? Gosh, that never happened in the days of 1980s rock ahem:
And oh gosh, we certainly never had any singers with strictly average voices getting by on sex appeal in the golden years of the 1960s, oh heaven forbid:
I could go on and on, but you get the idea. There's nothing all that special about older music that isn't also special about some music that exists today. Music has changed and it always will, and you can bet your ass that in 30 years time, people born now are going to be saying "fuck all that nu-school shit you kids are into these days, when I was young we had Soulja Boy". I'll leave you with the following ode to sexual currency, materialism and superficial western values:
You said it.Trivun said:
There has already been created a concensus regarding what was good music from the past decades. Take for example Rolling Stones' "500 most important albums ever". There you have it. You can basically go through that list and find yourself the "perfect taste in music." Because it's all there. All that is regarded as the best, most important music ever made.
With modern music there has yet to be created a concensus, and that must scare the musical elitists - or something. The elitists need to be told what is good, as opposed to tell others what's good. Wait, that's not entirely true. But you get it, don't you?
I listen to jazz, rock, blues, hiphop, disco... everything. But I DO actually not enjoy the newer music. And btw, EVERYTHING is conformist these days, stop using the word while serious OO.
Music from recent years are so drenched in other crap, simply because there is so extremely much of it! Every single week you hear of several new artists that are "great", and they disappear once more into the mist almost before you even learn that they call themselves DJ-Zawk or Lady Buttcheek.
I like the good old hiphop, I really do. People don't often think so about me, because I've always been a big metal-fan and I always will be, but I enjoy quite a few rappers and hiphop groups. But it's the lyrics I like. I quickly gave up finding good lyrics from "new" rappers, because it's all about booty, bling, money, rims and caps-in-peoples-asses. The Roots and Tupac, those I can live with...
When I first started listening to music, I'd hear that occational song that got suck on my mind and I couldn't get rid of. I HATE those songs. In most new albums there were one, and I'd have to fight it with all my music-might to get it out. And the problem with most modern music now? They are ALL "that" song... The song that gets stuck on your mind and torments you. Even if you actually like it, it'll get stuck there and remain until all you want to do is axemurder the creator.
And in the old days there was these songs, these artists too. Luckily, they've died out...
And just wait. When YOUR music becomes "old", I'm sure your opinion will have changed at least a little bit.
Music from recent years are so drenched in other crap, simply because there is so extremely much of it! Every single week you hear of several new artists that are "great", and they disappear once more into the mist almost before you even learn that they call themselves DJ-Zawk or Lady Buttcheek.
I like the good old hiphop, I really do. People don't often think so about me, because I've always been a big metal-fan and I always will be, but I enjoy quite a few rappers and hiphop groups. But it's the lyrics I like. I quickly gave up finding good lyrics from "new" rappers, because it's all about booty, bling, money, rims and caps-in-peoples-asses. The Roots and Tupac, those I can live with...
When I first started listening to music, I'd hear that occational song that got suck on my mind and I couldn't get rid of. I HATE those songs. In most new albums there were one, and I'd have to fight it with all my music-might to get it out. And the problem with most modern music now? They are ALL "that" song... The song that gets stuck on your mind and torments you. Even if you actually like it, it'll get stuck there and remain until all you want to do is axemurder the creator.
And in the old days there was these songs, these artists too. Luckily, they've died out...
And just wait. When YOUR music becomes "old", I'm sure your opinion will have changed at least a little bit.
I'm sure someone's already mentioned it, but over the decades, you remember the great ..well, memorable stuff, and forget the tidal waves of crap that you've heard, whereas now, I'll concede one point, it seems to be the crap that gets the publicity.
At least if you head back to the 60s,70s,80, and 90s, while the charts WERE dominated by pop, other genres would make it into the charts, sometimes even getting a number 1.
Nowadays it feels like..whatever the charts show, pop is the only music getting any attention.
I for one hope the online campaign to keep X factor off the number 1 xmas single wins thru, tho I wish they'd chosen a better song than "4'33", John Cage's silent piece. Most radio and TV station's just aren't going to want to play 4 and half minutes of silence, and no doubt will just play the X factor winner instead, whereas if they'd picked something that was at least a SONG, we could have lessened the poisoning of our airwaves by Cowell.
Here's my choice for a Xmas number 1 personally.
I think it fits the feeling behind the Rage against the Machine choice, in that it's wildly innapropriate for xmas, while being a decent tune on its own merits.
At least if you head back to the 60s,70s,80, and 90s, while the charts WERE dominated by pop, other genres would make it into the charts, sometimes even getting a number 1.
Nowadays it feels like..whatever the charts show, pop is the only music getting any attention.
I for one hope the online campaign to keep X factor off the number 1 xmas single wins thru, tho I wish they'd chosen a better song than "4'33", John Cage's silent piece. Most radio and TV station's just aren't going to want to play 4 and half minutes of silence, and no doubt will just play the X factor winner instead, whereas if they'd picked something that was at least a SONG, we could have lessened the poisoning of our airwaves by Cowell.
Here's my choice for a Xmas number 1 personally.
I think it fits the feeling behind the Rage against the Machine choice, in that it's wildly innapropriate for xmas, while being a decent tune on its own merits.
Estocavio said:
You know this kind of argument gets my goat in ways I find hard to describe. Largely because it can be a creeping justification for ANYTHING.
At some point, you are provably wrong about something.
Now music isn't something I can use science to prove superiority one way or the other so I just roll with the punches.
That said, if I have one more High School student ask me why I'm listening to 'fag music' when they hear Ode to Joy or the 1812 Overture coming from my earphones, I'm gonna choke a *****.
Feh, 70's? I'm a classical snob so I beleive anything from the last century is terrible. Superior? I'm a god and none of you will ever live up to it! Even if you start to like my music, you'll only be doing it for the sake of the trend, I like it for its power and soul and I started before it was cool.
No but seriously, I don't really consider myself superior because I like classical music, however, I do beleive classical music in general is superior to current music(I'm aware there was crap music back then but the best of today's music doesn't match to the crappiest of music then). However, I can understand the general appeal to today's youth but I still despise the trend. I beleive the music today is soulless, unnecessarily explicit and purely for the profits of the producers. Really they're the ones you should be blaming, they take someone who looks the part then get songs written about sex and the juvenile rapper lifestyle and autotune the singer's voice to appeal to the trend, add a beat and milk it for all its worth.
I know most people find classical music boring but I listen to it for its beauty and depth. If people could appreciate this I'd be less cautious about the future of our society. I don't care that tons of people love music today, I just wish they wouldn't flaunt it so explicitly. Seriously, bopping with your hands in mishappen forms wearing a singlet and backwards hat just looks like you're trying to act like a kid or you're mocking something. Just to let you know, I don't care about whether the person portraying the lifestyle is black or white, the lifestyle is what's terrible.
Music styles go in an out of fashion and their length of time of appeal has shortened with each style so hopefully this one will be over in the next few years but I fear styles don't come full circle.
To conclude: Most of the mainstream music of today has lost the depth and meaning music once had, turning the music industry into paying good money for something which serves no good purpose and which is worth nothing to people who do no real work. I don't want everyone to love classical music, I just want them to appreciate what really in-depth and meaningful music is.
Now I'm off to my library to sip some port in my dressing gown while I read Great Expectations and listen to soft classical music, the only real music.
No but seriously, I don't really consider myself superior because I like classical music, however, I do beleive classical music in general is superior to current music(I'm aware there was crap music back then but the best of today's music doesn't match to the crappiest of music then). However, I can understand the general appeal to today's youth but I still despise the trend. I beleive the music today is soulless, unnecessarily explicit and purely for the profits of the producers. Really they're the ones you should be blaming, they take someone who looks the part then get songs written about sex and the juvenile rapper lifestyle and autotune the singer's voice to appeal to the trend, add a beat and milk it for all its worth.
I know most people find classical music boring but I listen to it for its beauty and depth. If people could appreciate this I'd be less cautious about the future of our society. I don't care that tons of people love music today, I just wish they wouldn't flaunt it so explicitly. Seriously, bopping with your hands in mishappen forms wearing a singlet and backwards hat just looks like you're trying to act like a kid or you're mocking something. Just to let you know, I don't care about whether the person portraying the lifestyle is black or white, the lifestyle is what's terrible.
Music styles go in an out of fashion and their length of time of appeal has shortened with each style so hopefully this one will be over in the next few years but I fear styles don't come full circle.
To conclude: Most of the mainstream music of today has lost the depth and meaning music once had, turning the music industry into paying good money for something which serves no good purpose and which is worth nothing to people who do no real work. I don't want everyone to love classical music, I just want them to appreciate what really in-depth and meaningful music is.
Now I'm off to my library to sip some port in my dressing gown while I read Great Expectations and listen to soft classical music, the only real music.
I laughed when I heard this because it's so true. Why is it fag music just because it involves enjoying the soul of the music rather than bopping to the beat taking no notice of the fact you're singing about fucking some whore and then shooting her in an alley? Seriously, these kids have no idea, they just follow the slow beating drum which leads them up the mountain and into the volcano. Conformism and rebellion are two things which kids today claim day in day out without realising the irony which is horribly blatant in their lives (probably because they don't actually know what the words mean) but I won't get into that here.Gordon_4 said: