Why does Rape exist?
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I never said that only man rape I think I should add that if all women where to get castrated humanity would also go extinctNovs said:
might as well ask why humans commit any shitty act, like murder, emotional abuse, etc. it happens because a lot of people are just not good people.
Yeah, and some people die from slipping on a banana, the joke is still being made.Rem45 said:
Rape is in no way special from any others of the death-chauvinism-racist jokes out there.
They're all morally wrong, but can still be funny.
It's only rape if one is unattractive.
Rape exists the same way arson, murder and jaywalking exist. Like many others have said before me, it's that thing about domination and power over someone weaker.
Rape exists the same way arson, murder and jaywalking exist. Like many others have said before me, it's that thing about domination and power over someone weaker.
It's more that we've established the need for consent, sentience and all that.bahumat42 said:
Technically, from an animal point of view, it's not wrong, it's just that we, as people, have decided that everyone has a right to choose, rather than using the animal system of "strongest gets what strongest wants".
See Conan for further info...
It's not as much about the sex as it is about the control. and the fear you are inducing in another individual.
Studying criminology as I am, I've been shown that it could be a multitude of reasons.
That being said it's, 9 times out of 10 a domination and control thing. You have your rapist who feels insecure about his station/importance/potential/what-have-you, he's frustrated, he desires a method to dominate or expend his power upon any other force he comes into contact with, he targets a victim (read; weaker individual outside of the presence of a suitable guardian) and proceeds to commit his crime. Not all rapists are overtly insecure, however...some incredibly successful people are rapists; those are the ones that have adapted to the lifestyle of the "control freak". He's grown to get his way, and he will seek to do so by any means necessary; once one presents a challenge (real or imagined...usually imagined, due to the sociopathic nature of the crime) to his authority, he views it as an invitation to "put them in their place"...this is pretty common in prison rape, where you see the more "successful" inmates feeding off of the newer, weaker ones.
Then you have the perverts that view it as a means of mitigating sexual frustration. That's another lecture entirely.
That being said it's, 9 times out of 10 a domination and control thing. You have your rapist who feels insecure about his station/importance/potential/what-have-you, he's frustrated, he desires a method to dominate or expend his power upon any other force he comes into contact with, he targets a victim (read; weaker individual outside of the presence of a suitable guardian) and proceeds to commit his crime. Not all rapists are overtly insecure, however...some incredibly successful people are rapists; those are the ones that have adapted to the lifestyle of the "control freak". He's grown to get his way, and he will seek to do so by any means necessary; once one presents a challenge (real or imagined...usually imagined, due to the sociopathic nature of the crime) to his authority, he views it as an invitation to "put them in their place"...this is pretty common in prison rape, where you see the more "successful" inmates feeding off of the newer, weaker ones.
Then you have the perverts that view it as a means of mitigating sexual frustration. That's another lecture entirely.
It exists because humans are animals. There is no way around this fact. The only thing we have that separates us from other life on the planet is civilization. Civilization is a set of rules placed on top of our natural instincts. The thing is, before humans agreed on rules and created villages and towns, 'rape' was just mating. Look in the wild, other animals just mate, there is no 'bad mating' and 'good mating'.
When you introduce civilization however, and create 'rights' and assign them to people. Then how people mate becomes and issue. Essentially what civilization does is allow people to ignore the law of survival of the fittest.
Just remember that rights are something that we as humans decided that we should each have and respect. They only exist because we say they do, and rape is only bad because we have agreed to respect the rights we have assigned ourselves.
Do not take this the wrong way. Im not advocating to remove rights of anyone, or condone actions that deny them to others. Im simply explaining why those actions still exist. Murder and theft can also be put into this topic. All of these actions still exist because humans are still animals playing with self enforced rules.
When you introduce civilization however, and create 'rights' and assign them to people. Then how people mate becomes and issue. Essentially what civilization does is allow people to ignore the law of survival of the fittest.
Just remember that rights are something that we as humans decided that we should each have and respect. They only exist because we say they do, and rape is only bad because we have agreed to respect the rights we have assigned ourselves.
Do not take this the wrong way. Im not advocating to remove rights of anyone, or condone actions that deny them to others. Im simply explaining why those actions still exist. Murder and theft can also be put into this topic. All of these actions still exist because humans are still animals playing with self enforced rules.
Well, there you go. You kind of answered your own question there. It's all about exerting power over people weaker than you.Vault101 said:
I really hope you're not serious. If you are, you have so little grasp on human behavior you should stop trying to initiate discussions. If it's a joke, you should stop trying to initiate discussions as you're making light of something that shouldn't be.
Even obvious questions can some times help us to examine the root causes. Iv made pointless posts to before to, but your really not contributing anything to this discussion.deadxero said:
Lust, desire, dominance, sexual frustration, commitment issues and superiority/inferiority complexes
Also, sometimes it's because the object of their desire is not within the bounds of law (children, for example) and therefore there is no legitimate of going about such business
...wait, Captcha wants me to type in a word? IN THE GREEK ALPHABET? My keyboard does not HAVE lambda, you f*cking useless piece of...bah! Refresh...
Also, sometimes it's because the object of their desire is not within the bounds of law (children, for example) and therefore there is no legitimate of going about such business
...wait, Captcha wants me to type in a word? IN THE GREEK ALPHABET? My keyboard does not HAVE lambda, you f*cking useless piece of...bah! Refresh...
What you're saying makes little sense to me. So what if it is the product of feminist scholars (im not saying it is mind you)? Does that devalue it? Im a feminist and know many, there isn't an agenda to smear the physical man in general... It's not about this logic being "easier" to accept vs another logic... in the end one's free will and happiness is disregarded and obliterated. As a result it's semantics whether or not people rape due to an animalistic sex drive vs a desire to project power upon another.Generic Gamer said:
Even the semantics is not really semantics but a different way of saying the same thing: if you want to fuck, and don't feel like they need to acknowledge an obstruction between them and their desires, that's about expressing power over others, not sex. This is the key here because the desire for sex is merely providing the opportunity (in some cases mind you not all) for an expression of one's self to take place... just like any other human to human interaction, it's a social situation. In this situation one can express them selves many ways and if they don't take no for an answer in this situation they are projecting a egocentric mindset & thinking, upon others. Think about it, hurting some one because you don't care if they say no is totally about power, a lack of empathy, and a mental state whereby one reasons that: their level of dislike is not enough to impede me doing what I want.
As I said before as a feminist (and knowing many) there is no desire to smear men or the concept of men (there are many men I know as well who are feminists). I don't hate men, but I hate how our society socializes men: that you just need to "show 'em who's boss" no matter what the consequences are (think about the foreign policy of countries, media, and xbox live) and as a result empathy is not something that is worth considering/developing/facing.
As far as I would assume- it's purely desperation - in our hypersexualised society and our already sexually wired psyche (which feed into one another) - there is something terribly unsound about the way a more impressionable person would be affected by this.Vault101 said:
All that perceived tempting and taunting from the social forces around them. And of course- depending on upbringing, you will either be wired to find it repugnant or actually entertain the idea.
For all those people who say it's all about power and dominance; I would pose to you then a question - what of a brother that would go as far as raping his own sister? I know someone whom this has happened to - and I doubt it is anything about power. It was just the sheer ineptitude of impulse control, social standards, moral standards, and complete lack of role-model and guidance - but by and far- it is the decision of one who had already subscribed to the potential for such an action and is just waiting for an opportunity to enact it.
There's a lot more to it than just 'power' and 'dominance'. In fact- I would even go as far as to refute that most are about power and dominance, and more about sheer desperation and an absolute lack of integrity and disdain for life and life alike.
In the brother/sister case...it's still a power issue. Perhaps with someone with a sociopathic mentality, the appearance of another sibling in a household is a threat to one's security; a threat that one has no control over. Thus the advent of the rapist mentality in such a person. Maybe they feel like mom/dad love them more? Maybe they feel like his sister is more apt to be successful? Maybe they are just plain annoyed with her? I'm speaking from case studies here, it's usually not a sexual attraction thing; for some people, life is discharging their power unto a weaker entity. Machiavelli was right.SIXVI06-M said: