Why does the universe specifically hate Scientolgy.
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I would say it's because it's tangibly evil. I believe that while other religions have had shady pasts, most of the evil in them have been committed by man, using religion as an excuse. Scientology differs as it wants to abolish medical science, in the form of Psychology, Psychotherapy, and suchlike; it encourages the destruction of families; it attempts to "cure" homosexuality; it forces abortion upon its members and it devalues it's detractors in a policy of legal and illegal personal attacks on individuals. This is written INTO it's agenda, into it's mission statement. Asides from that, it gets people into financial hell, which if you've never personally experienced, you can never appreciate how it is to people. They know this, and yet they keep pushing, convincing people to pay for a fucking religion.canadamus_prime said:
Now the most hated religion on this site is Christianity, for some reason. Lets compare, using Catholics as an example. Their history has been far from brilliant, perhaps the furthest. However, their mission statement is one of peace and love. Although the church encourages someone not to act upon their homosexuality, they don't deny it exists, nor do they force anyone to change, nor attempt to "cure" them. They ask them not to practice the physical side of it, the same way they ask non married couples not to. A gay person is never turned away from the church, they are as welcome as the next man. It is free to enter a church, attend a service if you want. All of the sacraments are free to a Catholic, and mostly the sacraments are about becoming a Catholic. The church disagrees with abortion. Not perfect, but I'd say better than a forced abortion. The biggest problem with the Catholic church is their preaching against condom useage in developing countries, adding to the aids epidemic. However, the biggest single financier of aids research is... and you guessed it,- the Catholic church
Change what I've said with any denomination or any major religion. Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, Hindusm Buddhism, Taoism-whatever. You'll find flaws, and a dodgy history in there, but none of them, and I mean none of them, exist by actively destroying the lives of their converts, while leading them to believe that they've been made healthier and better. I would fight any cult that did this, and Scientology is the leading, acceptable face of harmful cults.
As for the polygamy thing, you have been grossly misinformed. While I don't doubt that some polygamous cults may have done that in the past, that is not what polygamy is, nor is it a standard practice of polygamists. I have yet to see one decent argument against polygamy where someone has provided conclusive proof that it is a negative thing.
If what you say about Scientology is true, than someone would have to be pretty stupid to follow them, wouldn't they?Verlander said:
As for the polygamists, wasn't that the practice of that and his little cult that was charged with child abuse? Damn it, I can't remember where that was. California, I think. I can't find any of the news stories on it at the moment, but there's this blog http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com/2007/10/life-in-polygamous-marriage.html
In any case, it that I'm against more than polygamy, it's that that I consider evil.
I don't hate Scientology specifically, I hate all religions equally. Well, I guess that's not true. Christianity holds an extra large hate in my heart. But yeah, Scientology is no more far fetched than the other religions.
Sorry for late reply. Like a lot of cults, Scientology preys on emotionally needy or lost people, and convinces normally adjusted people that they themselves aren't healthy, but can be cured by Scientology. This is what auditing is, which is basically a very clinical version of what those guys who "talk to ghosts" do. Basically, they make very vague guesses at pretty universal problems, and then because more detailed with the guessing, until they seize on a potential problem (that may or may not actually exist), which incidentally can be cured by taking a pay as you go Scientology course. They also film this whole meeting, but (as someone who HAS been audited), they do not make you aware of this procedure (which they are entitled to by law in this country), potentially exposing no end to personal information about the person being audited. This predatory behaviour is yet another reason I campaign against the cult becoming a religion in this country.canadamus_prime said:
As for the polygamy thing, that's fair enough. I'm very anti cult, although I do know a few polygamous couples who aren't in cults. Polygamy is just one of those things, like homosexuality or whatever- a lifestyle choice. They are far happier than nearly all of the monogamous couples I know. I'm not advocating polygamy as an answer to everyone, but more the suggestion that when people live by their own mind rather than other peoples ideals, then they can fully appreciate life and be happy.
I've never really had anything against Scientology specifically, although I don't agree with the tenets it preaches - eg, you shouldn't take medication, AIDs is just an illusion of the mind, homosexuality is a mental illness - but I disagree with the Church of Scientology in the same way I respectfully disagree with the policies of any other religion.
I guess you could say I'm neutral to it. It's practices really aren't any different from any other religion. Most organised faiths I can think of require tithes, or that you donate money to the church, and many faiths will try and convert people in a time of crisis - not because they're maliciously preying on people at their lowest point, but because they sincerely think they're doing the right thing by bringing religion into their lives, and they believe their faith is a healing force.
I think people pick on Scientology more than anything elsebecause South Park has because it's socially acceptable to, and there's no real fear of reprisal. Except from the Church itself suing you, but that just makes the Church look worse and more mockable.
I guess you could say I'm neutral to it. It's practices really aren't any different from any other religion. Most organised faiths I can think of require tithes, or that you donate money to the church, and many faiths will try and convert people in a time of crisis - not because they're maliciously preying on people at their lowest point, but because they sincerely think they're doing the right thing by bringing religion into their lives, and they believe their faith is a healing force.
I think people pick on Scientology more than anything else
Probably been addressed but I think all your points are compelling and can be leveled against every religion, including scientology. The only reason it seems odd is because some people who level charges against scientology often practice a belief that is guilty of the same problems....that doesn't make them wrong (or scientology right), it just means they are being hypocritical.electric discordian said:
As a non-practicing non-believer in the supernatural who stakes my beliefs on scientific reasoning, I have no problem with questioning scientology or any other religion, though.
But the discordians are cool, though =) as is the Church of the Subgenius (go Bob!) and the FSM. Religion is inherently flawed, contradictory and erroneous, so why not embrace it as such? More fun that way!
When even its creator acknowledges religion as a scam, yet makes one, one that specifically reads like one of his books... things start looking a little... you know... OFF.
