Why does virtually every "non-binary" gender go back to m/f?

[Zontar]

that clearly only bans discrimination in the same manner that discrimination is banned against religions and states that discrimination being the intent behind a crime counts as discrimination utterly destroys the concept of personal freedom?

With how the law is currently applied to "religious discrimination", where you can be fined for legitimate criticism of a religion if it is done on public property, yes, this is actually a threat to personal freedom in this country, and I can't believe foreigners who don't have to deal with such existential threats to their liberty can be so calm about their neighbour taking steps towards authoritarianism.

I thought you Americans hated that. Guess I was mistaken.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

There are two genders, male and female. Each of us is one or the other, but there are those who feel the need to switch, but there aren't any other genders. Anyone believing they are something else is scientifically wrong. Not talking about the 1 in a gajillion androgynous people.

 

[Thaluikhain]

There are two genders, male and female. Each of us is one or the other, but there are those who feel the need to switch, but there aren't any other genders. Anyone believing they are something else is scientifically wrong.

The difference between sex and gender has already been explained in this thread.

 

[Zontar]

There are two genders, male and female. Each of us is one or the other, but there are those who feel the need to switch, but there aren't any other genders. Anyone believing they are something else is scientifically wrong.

The difference between sex and gender has already been explained in this thread.

Gender is just sex characteristics.

 

[Silvanus]

And it really isn't hard to argue for the gender binary when again the evidence that the binary is wrong is literally nothing and we can observe that the male gender exists and the female gender exists. With that we know there are two and with no evidence supporting the claim there are more there's no rational reason to state factually there are more.

Yes the possibility is there, similar to how the possibility that our understanding of gravity or tidal cycles could be fundamentally incorrect, but until someone actually provides positive evidence for such a belief any textbooks being modified to state it as fact are at best fraudulent propagandists of misinformation.

This "no evidence" canard is, as it was from the start, just endlessly repeated bollocks. Intersex status, as well as various other outliers, have been scientifically recognised, documented, and described for decades.

I'll address the video when I can watch it a little later. I'll say for the time being that using youtube videos of evidence of anything at all is generally a bad idea; I could dig out videos of people arguing whatever I wanted, from reptilian overlords and on.

 

[The Ditz]

So many words when a moviebob-esque graphic could be used *PEOPLE ARE WEIRD*

Trying to assign absolutes to the human race is generally asinine.

How the bloody hell are you people going to handle sci-fi tropes like cyborgs? 'either you are a human or a robot, you are just trying to be a special snowflake with that cyborg nonsense'

Nature is so rarely black and white, then add to the fact that people are pretty good at defying nature.

Yeah, maybe sex may have some psychological effect, but one who some could easily overcome or may have never been had by particular individuals.

at the end of the day most of the stuff we call gender is societal in nature, internalized by most but not all, rejected by some.

so if you want to be an Apache helicopter here's a propeller, a screwdriver, and a bonesaw. I ain't stopping you.

All through out history we have had to re-evaluate our definitions on a wide range of things, It's how we grow.

Just accept that gender variance is a thing so we can focus on more important things and do all that cool sci-fi shit later.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

I'd like to point out that a good 80%+ of such cases have the person dealing with it recover without any treatment.

So all the depression, anxiety, and suicide in gender queer populations is just their imagination?

I repeat my previous statement, mainly on account of the fact we're still trying to be led to believe in something without any evidence.

Again, this has been known for a while now. GID and gender dysphoria both exist, again.

And that term only means MtF and FtM (for god sake it's literal shorthand for transitioning), not this made up 76+ genders nonsense that exists only in the minds of people with the mentality of children and a world view that can only be described as a cartoonish caricature.

MtF and FtM are only the most studied and well-known forms of being transgender. It's not every single case out there.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

There are two genders, male and female. Each of us is one or the other, but there are those who feel the need to switch, but there aren't any other genders. Anyone believing they are something else is scientifically wrong.

The difference between sex and gender has already been explained in this thread.

Gender is just sex characteristics.

Secondary and tertiary ones that have little to nothing to do with actual biology.

 

[Zontar]

This "no evidence" canard is, as it was from the start, just endlessly repeated bollocks. Intersex status, as well as various other outliers, have been scientifically recognised, documented, and described for decades.

You do realise you've just made the entire argument for the existence of additional letters beyond LGBT reliant on them being disorders right here, right?

I'll address the video when I can watch it a little later. I'll say for the time being that using youtube videos of evidence of anything at all is generally a bad idea; I could dig out videos of people arguing whatever I wanted, from reptilian overlords and on.

It's a Norwegian documentary, not just some random video a guy made on his laptop.

So all the depression, anxiety, and suicide in gender queer populations is just their imagination?

No, it's the being gender queer part that's their imagination. The depression and anxiety is very much real.

Again, this has been known for a while now. GID and gender dysphoria both exist, again.

And again that does have any relation to the claim that there are more then two genders.

Water is clear with a slight blue tint (unless something is in it), that doesn't support the notion that cola is a naturally occurring beverage. The two claims don't connect outside of the fact they relate to a liquid.

MtF and FtM are only the most studied and well-known forms of being transgender. It's not every single case out there.

It's not the "only" and "most studied" forms of transgenderism, it's literally the definition of it. Being trans is literally shorthand for transitioning, which is why you see so much friction between trans people who are over the age of 35 and those under it, mainly because many over the age of 35 see younger people doing it not because they actually are trans but because it's trendy to do so. That's why the term "Trans trender" exists.

Secondary and tertiary ones that have little to nothing to do with actual biology.

Yet even in a vacuum they tend to develop, like men being more mechanically oriented then women or women being more caring about others then men.

Funny how these things happen even in places where for decades the systemic dismantling of anything that could have socialised this into people has been removed.

Sometimes I think Norway exists solely to disprove social science hypothesise.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

No, it's the being gender queer part that's their imagination. The depression and anxiety is very much real.

So you know the inner workings of gender queer people better than psychologists and gender queer people? Why should I take your word over theirs?

And again that does have any relation to the claim that there are more then two genders.

Yes, because there are people who have gender dysphoria that don't fit into the binary. That's kind of the reason why gender queer people, be they trans or otherwise, are so against the construct.

Water is clear with a slight blue tint (unless something is in it), that doesn't support the notion that cola is a naturally occurring beverage. The two claims don't connect outside of the fact they relate to a liquid.

They relate to gender. They relate to gender identity. The revolve around similar issues.

It's not the "only" and "most studied" forms of transgenderism, it's literally the definition of it.

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trans?gen?der
transˈjendər,tranzˈjendər/
adjective
adjective: transgender; adjective: transgendered

denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.

I don't see anything about male or female in that.

Being trans is literally shorthand for transitioning

No, it's shorthand for being transgender, as in identifying as something other than the gender you were born into and assigned at birth.

which is why you see so much friction between trans people who are over the age of 35 and those under it, mainly because many over the age of 35 see younger people doing it not because they actually are trans but because it's trendy to do so. That's why the term "Trans trender" exists.

I had no idea that having expensive medical treatments, psychological screenings, and rampant discrimination was trendy.

Yet even in a vacuum they tend to develop, like men being more mechanically oriented then women or women being more caring about others then men.

Tend, tend being the operative world. It's not binding.

Funny how these things happen even in places where for decades the systemic dismantling of anything that could have socialised this into people has been removed.

Such as?

Sometimes I think Norway exists solely to disprove social science hypothesise.

In what way?

 

[Zontar]

So you know the inner workings of gender queer people better than psychologists and gender queer people? Why should I take your word over theirs?

You know you'd think the minority of psychologists who actually support this idea would back up their claims with *gasp* evidence. Yet 60 years later and still nothing.

As for "gender queer" people, I really hope you aren't seriously asking why someone with no medical training giving a self-diagnosis is something that should be dismissed out of hand.

Yes, because there are people who have gender dysphoria that don't fit into the binary. That's kind of the reason why gender queer people, be they trans or otherwise, are so against the construct.

And yet of the small minority of people with gender dysphoria who don't recover from it without the need for treatment, there's pretty much complete overlap between them and different mental illnesses regardless of the environment they are brought up in or how accepting their corner of society is to people like them.

I seriously wonder how people can keep making an argument on the basis that it's a mental illness, then turn around and want us to treat it as something else. Can't have it both ways.

They relate to gender. They relate to gender identity. The revolve around similar issues.

And yet 60 years later there being a net-zero level of evidence would be an improvement for the claim given there's nothing supporting it anywhere and evidence to contradict the claim.

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Ah yes, because social justice induced linguistic revisionism that doesn't apply to the vast majority of society changes the fact trans still means what it has always meant to those who are not part of this tiny fringe minority with far too loud of a voice who are actively trying to force the rest of society to indulge in their delusions.

No, it's shorthand for being transgender, as in identifying as something other than the gender you were born into and assigned at birth.

Wrong

I had no idea that having expensive medical treatments, psychological screenings, and rampant discrimination was trendy.

It's not, but then for the vast majority of young trans people who are just trans trenders none of those things are things they have to deal with.

Tend, tend being the operative world. It's not binding.

Yet it is near total correlation, and it also doesn't change the fact that if your primary and secondary characteristics are one thing but some (but not all) of your trinnary ones are another, that doesn't make you some sort of aborition.

Such as?

Norway

In what way?

The Norwegian Gender Equality Paradox (or Norwegian Gender Paradox for short) where decades of the systemic braking down of barriers that have created the most equal society in terms of how people are raised and treated has not only had no effect in creating equity in how men and women are, but has in fact increased the gap leading to more equality having an even less equal outcome.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

You know you'd think the minority of psychologists who actually support this idea would back up their claims with *gasp* evidence. Yet 60 years later and still nothing.

To transition, you need to be diagnosed and psychologically screened. You can't just go to your local clinic and start buying hormones or scheduling surgeries. These are all things that have to be approved of for medical reasons or at least approved for insurance to cover it which does include insurance provided by the government such as soldiers, veterans, and prisoners. Gender dysphoria and the like is a diagnosis.

As for "gender queer" people, I really hope you aren't seriously asking why someone with no medical training giving a self-diagnosis is something that should be dismissed out of hand.

Except they're not self-diagnosed. They see therapists. They sometimes get approved hormone therapy depending on the case. They consult specialists on how to take care of themselves.

Again, I know gender queer people. It's not something that just happens on a whim.

And yet of the small minority of people with gender dysphoria who don't recover from it without the need for treatment, there's pretty much complete overlap between them and different mental illnesses regardless of the environment they are brought up in or how accepting their corner of society is to people like them.

And yet practically every reputable medical authority supports transitioning and giving transgender people, which often includes gender queer people, the treatment they need.

I seriously wonder how people can keep making an argument on the basis that it's a mental illness, then turn around and want us to treat it as something else. Can't have it both ways.

Because it's not a mental illness...because it's not in the DSM-5. The dysphoria itself is consider a mental issue because it's related to brain chemistry and identity, but being transgender, gender queer, what have you, is not.

And yet 60 years later there being a net-zero level of evidence would be an improvement for the claim given there's nothing supporting it anywhere and evidence to contradict the claim.

Again, transitioning and the like are supported, and there is evidence that it does work...that's kind of why people who actually study brains, brain chemistry, and so are behind it. You can literally type up "transgender", "gender dysphoria", or "gender queer" in your browser and have lists of scholarly articles, academic sources, and help pages from professional organizations on the topic.

Ah yes, because social justice induced linguistic revisionism that doesn't apply to the vast majority of society changes the fact trans still means what it has always meant to those who are not part of this tiny fringe minority with far too loud of a voice who are actively trying to force the rest of society to indulge in their delusions.

I literally googled "Transgender" in my browser and that's what came up. Is Google some kind of SJW propaganda machine now?

Wrong

Says who? The actual people who deal with this on both ends as patient and doctor disagree with you. Gender is grey. It is both based on biology and culture...that's kind of why it's vague at times and hard to pin down.

It's not, but then for the vast majority of young trans people who are just trans trenders none of those things are things they have to deal with.

Again, to transition, you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. If a trans person is taking hormones or undergoing corrective surgery, it means that a licensed professional has either agreed or encouraged that measure.

Yet it is near total correlation, and it also doesn't change the fact that if your primary and secondary characteristics are one thing but some (but not all) of your trinnary ones are another, that doesn't make you some sort of aborition.

There are men that don't have body and facial hair, and there are women that do. There are men that have breasts and women that don't. Aberration or not, it is something to be considered.

The Norwegian Gender Equality Paradox (or Norwegian Gender Paradox for short) where decades of the systemic braking down of barriers that have created the most equal society in terms of how people are raised and treated has not only had no effect in creating equity in how men and women are, but has in fact increased the gap leading to more equality having an even less equal outcome.

I typed this in and all I got was some sort of documentary miniseries headed by a comedian. That's hardly reputable or dependable science.

 

[Zontar]

To transition, you need to be diagnosed and psychologically screened. You can't just go to your local clinic and start buying hormones or scheduling surgeries. These are all things that have to be approved of for medical reasons or at least approved for insurance to cover it which does include insurance provided by the government such as soldiers, veterans, and prisoners. Gender dysphoria and the like is a diagnosis.

And yet you can go around without doing any of that and claim you're trans with dysphoria and that's how it is for most trans trenders these days. Funny how that works.

Except they're not self-diagnosed. They see therapists.

Oh how I wish that where true in anywhere resembling a majority of cases, but it isn't, it's at best a small minority.

And yet practically every reputable medical authority supports transitioning and giving transgender people, which often includes gender queer people, the treatment they need.

You know up here the first hospital that did medical treatment for minors suffering gender dysphoria has now stopped doing so on the grounds of it violating their oath, due to how many who go through it turn out to just be gay or otherwise just going through a phase and giving them treatment that changes their body chemistry (often, but not always, including sterilisation) only does harm in the long run.

Because it's not a mental illness

Then why do people keep making arguments in support of it that have mental illness as an underlying assumption?

Again, transitioning and the like are supported, and there is evidence that it does work...that's kind of why people who actually study brains, brain chemistry, and so are behind it. You can literally type up "transgender", "gender dysphoria", or "gender queer" in your browser and have lists of scholarly articles, academic sources, and help pages from professional organizations on the topic.

We're talking about apples not oranges.

Yes, there are men with the brain makeup of a woman and women with the brain makeup of a man out there. That doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence supporting the claim the gender binary does not exist.

I literally googled "Transgender" in my browser and that's what came up. Is Google some kind of SJW propaganda machine now?

Google "American inventors" and then ask yourself that very question.

Then again Google pushing social justice propaganda isn't something new or that anyone in their right mind could pretend isn't the case.

Says who?

Basically society as a whole and before the late 00s the dictionary.

Transgender came form Trans, which came from Transitioning. Despite the best efforts by gender activists people still see it as MtF and FtM, which is actually why the alphabet soup keeps getting things added after the initial for letters since even gender activists acknowledge that normal people will never pretend their made up genders are the same as trans people.

Again, to transition, you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. If a trans person is taking hormones or undergoing corrective surgery, it means that a licensed professional has either agreed or encouraged that measure.

And what if like the vast majority of young trans people these days they aren't actually transitioning but instead just calling themselves trans on top of some other label that was born off social media that if you told a medical professional about they'd have no idea what you're talking about?

There are men that don't have body and facial hair, and there are women that do. There are men that have breasts and women that don't. Aberration or not, it is something to be considered.

Taking into consideration and fundamentally changing out understanding of how things work despite not having enough evidence to justify doing so through the use of rational argumentation are two very different things. I acknowledge the former should be done, but I'll never pretend the latter should even be considered.

I typed this in and all I got was some sort of documentary miniseries headed by a comedian. That's hardly reputable or dependable science.

The documentary is the first thing that comes up due to its popularity, though given its factual nature I don't see why the host should matter. Hell even documentaries hosted by scientists tend to be giving out information that the host in question doesn't really change given it's not who's saying it that matters but the accuracy of what is being said.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

And yet you can go around without doing any of that and claim you're trans with dysphoria and that's how it is for most trans trenders these days. Funny how that works.

No. You can't. That's literally not how that works. You have to be psychologically screened for it. That is actually something covered by the DSM.

Oh how I wish that where true in anywhere resembling a majority of cases, but it isn't, it's at best a small minority.

And you know this how exactly?

You know up here the first hospital that did medical treatment for minors suffering gender dysphoria has now stopped doing so on the grounds of it violating their oath, due to how many who go through it turn out to just be gay or otherwise just going through a phase and giving them treatment that changes their body chemistry (often, but not always, including sterilisation) only does harm in the long run.

And yet the American Association of Pediatrics, as well as most if not all pediatrician organizations, support early transitioning.

Kids can't just say "Hey I think I might be a guy/girl" and just go ham on hormones. It's a long process before they can even begin therapy, and you're talking about a situation where this sort of thing was in its infancy. Now it's much easier and accurate thanks to further testing and better diagnostic models.

Then why do people keep making arguments in support of it that have mental illness as an underlying assumption?

Because they aren't? The depression, anxiety, and so on is derived from the dysphoria, not being trans in of itself.

You'd know if you'd like, I dunno, actually talked to transgender people and those who actually deal with the condition. Or just read the DSM. Or read any decent page on it from any credible organization like the ACA, APA, WHO, etc.

We're talking about apples not oranges.

Yes, there are men with the brain makeup of a woman and women with the brain makeup of a man out there. That doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence supporting the claim the gender binary does not exist.

So then why are you talking about transgender people and not the gender binary? Don't detract from the original point. As for the gender binary, whether if it exists or not is still a matter of debate in academic and medical circles since gender is more than just one thing.

Google "American inventors" and then ask yourself that very question.

A moot point. The current definition not fitting your definition doesn't mean the former is incorrect.

Then again Google pushing social justice propaganda isn't something new or that anyone in their right mind could pretend isn't the case.

I literally have no idea on what that is and I feel like it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Basically society as a whole and before the late 00s the dictionary.

So societies and words are immutable and never changing? That's not how that works. Also, gender queer and trans people make up society, lest you have forgotten.

Transgender came form Trans, which came from Transitioning.

Transgender comes from transgender. It's simply a term that describes someone that identifies as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. Nothing more, nothing less.

Despite the best efforts by gender activists

As well as scholars, psychologists, academics, you know, people who study these sorts of things as part of their lives.

people still see it as MtF and FtM

Because that's the most well-known and studied manifestations of being trans.

which is actually why the alphabet soup keeps getting things added after the initial for letters since even gender activists acknowledge that normal people will never pretend their made up genders are the same as trans people.

Well, technically all genders are more or less made up.

And what if like the vast majority of young trans people these days they aren't actually transitioning but instead just calling themselves trans on top of some other label that was born off social media that if you told a medical professional about they'd have no idea what you're talking about?

Because that's not what is happening, at all. Said young people are getting therapy and professional opinions on their situation. You would know this, again, if you actually knew gender queer people.

Taking into consideration and fundamentally changing out understanding of how things work despite not having enough evidence to justify doing so through the use of rational argumentation are two very different things. I acknowledge the former should be done, but I'll never pretend the latter should even be considered.

And that's why you have literally no idea on what you're talking about here since you're automatically removing anyone and everything you deem as an outlier or aberration, regardless on what they have to say or what science has to say on it.

The documentary is the first thing that comes up due to its popularity, though given its factual nature I don't see why the host should matter. Hell even documentaries hosted by scientists tend to be giving out information that the host in question doesn't really change given it's not who's saying it that matters but the accuracy of what is being said.

It's not a scientific or academic source. It's literally a pop documentary for television. That is not a reputable or a credible source.

 

[Satinavian]

It's not a scientific or academic source. It's literally a pop documentary for television. That is not a reputable or a credible source.

It exists. Science acknowlegded it as interesting, yet unexplained and worthy of further investigation (which won't happen until more longterm data about it come in) and then moved on. If you dig, you can find peer revieved papers on it.

But for the last couple of years it has only played a role as an argument in political debates ab out gender and usually outside of Norway.

 

[NemotheElvenPanda]

It's not a scientific or academic source. It's literally a pop documentary for television. That is not a reputable or a credible source.

It exists. Science acknowlegded it as interesting, yet unexplained and worthy of further investigation (which won't happen until more longterm data about it come in) and then moved on. If you dig, you can find peer revieved papers on it.

But for the last couple of years it has only played a role as an argument in political debates ab out gender and usually outside of Norway.

But it's not an academic study, or a lab report, or anything that would be peer-reviewed or abide by academic standards.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Yet people apply that bizarre standard to humans constantly.

And why shouldn't they? As I said, humans are by evolution, a binary species; We have 2 genders, no more, no less.

 

[Trunkage]

Yeah, I'm a 4-slotted sexual toaster. And my "girl"friend identifies as cartoon toast. It's a match made in breakfast heaven.

And all other identities are 100% as valid as ours. So you can take that for exactly as much as it's worth.

Also if all you guys wanted to avoid all these timeouts and warnings, you could have just posted it in the Wild West. That's what it's for. And memes.

Is it weird to want to be some butter right now?..

I don't get people's desire to control what others do. (With one exception - if there is a third party being hurt.) Could you just let people be who they want to be?

 

[Zontar]

No. You can't. That's literally not how that works. You have to be psychologically screened for it. That is actually something covered by the DSM.

Standards must be pretty damn high in the US compared to up here then, since all you need to do to claim to be trans is to start calling yourself that, and to have the legal documentation state that all you need is about 100-2000 dollars (depending on how much paperwork the change needs if you're going full name change with it or not) and about an hour filling paperwork at city hall.

And you know this how exactly?

Interactions with "gender queer" people. Most which I've met (and given how they amassed in the room next to my club during college that wasn't hard to do) claim quite a few things, most of which they don't hid is "undiagnosed" (re: when they went to a doctor said doctor, not being an American one, didn't automatically give them what they wanted).

It's a shockingly common belief that people with no medical training or education know better then those with PhDs on the subject just because they refuse to give them a diagnosis they want.

And yet the American Association of Pediatrics, as well as most if not all pediatrician organizations, support early transitioning.

Kids can't just say "Hey I think I might be a guy/girl" and just go ham on hormones. It's a long process before they can even begin therapy, and you're talking about a situation where this sort of thing was in its infancy. Now it's much easier and accurate thanks to further testing and better diagnostic models.

Yes and give it a few years and they'll catch up to us when the long term results start to come in and it becomes unethical under their rules to continue. We where the first to start doing it, and so it's only logical that when the long term results started coming in we'd be the first to stop.

Because they aren't? The depression, anxiety, and so on is derived from the dysphoria, not being trans in of itself.

You'd know if you'd like, I dunno, actually talked to transgender people and those who actually deal with the condition. Or just read the DSM. Or read any decent page on it from any credible organization like the ACA, APA, WHO, etc.

Having done all the things you've suggested, I'd repeat myself but that would be a redundant waste of our time.

So then why are you talking about transgender people and not the gender binary? Don't detract from the original point. As for the gender binary, whether if it exists or not is still a matter of debate in academic and medical circles since gender is more than just one thing.

I'm only talking about transgender people due to your belief that all the non-binary gender queer whatever they're calling themselves this time of the week types are being lumped into the same category as trans people. If you didn't do that trans people wouldn't ever have been brought up in this conversation.

A moot point. The current definition not fitting your definition doesn't mean the former is incorrect.

I literally have no idea on what that is and I feel like it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You wanted evidence that Google is distorting things for social justice activism and then wonder why I gave you two pieces of such evidence?

So societies and words are immutable and never changing? That's not how that works. Also, gender queer and trans people make up society, lest you have forgotten.

Words change over time, but it's excessively rare for it to happen from a fringe minority actively forcing it to happen, and much of the confusion about the current state of the LGBT community by normal people stems from the fact you have 50 or so different tiny groups all trying to force words to change in their own specific way or make up words on the fly and then expect society at large to be 100% on board with that.

After centuries of almost no use in English it's hard enough to revive the singular "they" in a society where pretty much anyone with a double digit age was raised with it being implied to be impolite, then you expect a sudden explosion in terms for 76 genders and different preferred pronouns that very clearly where made up on the spot with no thought into the linguistics behind it and wonder why society at large needs to be forced by the state to go along with this since it can't be convinced to do so on its own?

Transgender comes from transgender. It's simply a term that describes someone that identifies as a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. Nothing more, nothing less.

It refers to a person who identifies as the other gender and is moving towards that gender. I'm too old for the attempted change of its definition by gender activists to change my views on it, much like society at large.

And given how many letters have been attempted to be added to the end of LGBT to the point it's a meme, gender activists seem to be in disagreement if that fight has been lost given half have already given up.

As well as scholars, psychologists, academics, you know, people who study these sorts of things as part of their lives.

And yet none have actually elected to provide evidence to back their claims, making this nothing more then a hypothesis when using the scientific method to gauge it.

It's like the worst parts of philosophy, sophistry but without the history.

Because that's the most well-known and studied manifestations of being trans.

It's the only form of trans.

Well, technically all genders are more or less made up.

Both genders are just labels we attribute to sex characteristic, so I suppose that in a sense both genders are made up, though not in the way virtually everyone who uses the term thinks given our lack of believing in them will not make them go away.

Because that's not what is happening, at all. Said young people are getting therapy and professional opinions on their situation. You would know this, again, if you actually knew gender queer people.

Given how many I know and the fact that before I met most of them I actually believed what you've been saying before first hand interactions made me realize how detached from reality all these claims going around the internet are, this legitimately makes me laugh.

I'd probably have been better had I not actually interacted with gender queer people, then I'd likely still believe the claims you and people like you have been making on the internet.

And that's why you have literally no idea on what you're talking about here since you're automatically removing anyone and everything you deem as an outlier or aberration, regardless on what they have to say or what science has to say on it.

Actually given the numbers no matter how I feel about the LGBT(and whatever you want to add to it) they are outliers by definition, which isn't a moral judgement just a mathematical statement of fact.

And you know I once did have no idea what I was talking about regarding this subject, but then I actually got first hand experience dealing with these type of people and it made me realise something: either there is a lie that is the foundation upon which what they believe is true, or there is something about being like them that inherently makes one act irrationally, be bad at argumentation, and have serious personality problems that make it clear to me why we've reached the point they have to literally use the threat of violence from the state to force people to give them special treatment given they wouldn't get it otherwise.

It's not a scientific or academic source. It's literally a pop documentary for television. That is not a reputable or a credible source.

So the studies mentioned within are of no worth?

Though then again we do live in an age of fake news where anything that isn't a peer reviewed document behind a university paywall cannot be trusted.

 

[Zontar]

Someone made a comprehensive list of all these genders.

How can people take this seriously? [http://ageofshitlords.com/list-of-all-tumblr-genders-so-far]