Why don't you play games on PC?

[Balobo]

Your experience was better than his so now his stance is irrelevant?

Yes because obviously he's doing something wrong.

It will not take one second. Here's a deal. Let's both go and buy AC Revelations from a game store. You buy it for the PC, I'll buy it for the Xbox.

Would you be willing to bet money that you could go from computer off to playing the game before I go from Xbox off to playing the game?

The point he is making remains; he brings a game home, presses a button on his controller, his Xbox is on in less than 30 seconds, and with 10 seconds after that (after putting the disk in), he's playing it. You cannot beat that with a computer, no matter how fast your processor is or how high your SSD's write rate is.

Also, protip, concerning your retarded used game statement:

1. The reason you don't have to deal with "used game bullshit" is because the used game market for PCs is almost non-existant.
2. There are no problems with used games on consoles. Regardless of what Pro-PC Gamer sites want you to believe, there is never anything stopping you from enjoying the offline portion of a used game, and furthermore, the number of high profile games that use an online pass isn't as high as you'd like to think (last I checked, CoD doesn't even have one). Granted, the problem exists, but it's not as insane of an issue as you seem to think.

The used game problem is only going to become bigger and bigger.

Yes, we all know a PC OS takes longer to start up because it's heftier and has to do more. Why turn off your computer if you can just put it in hibernation? Power is not an issue as a plugged-in powered down Xbox still uses a bit of power. I know it's easier to turn on an Xbox 360, but it does less.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

And when you can find those statements in my posts (which you won't be able to be, because you just made those up), feel free to remove that massive stick that seems to be lodged so far up your ass that it's causing you to speak words that were never said.

If you don't have the cognitive ability to process the above, here's a nice tl:dr for you; saying "I prefer controllers" is a perfectly legitimate reason to prefer console gaming over PC gaming. Being able to connect a controller to a PC does not negate this.

I bow my hat to you, as you have succeeded in stopping me from arguing the point further, by being a massive tool. It has been a non-pleasure interacting with you.

Yes, asking you to show me where you pulled your made up facts from is being tool. If that's the case, I'm definitely a 40-piece Craftsman set.

If you don't have the balls to admit you claimed I said something I didn't, kindly shut up instead of doing the "I'm taking the higher route" bullshit. I'll paste it again for you.

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

I'll be waiting when you grow up.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I have a USB Xbox Controller that is instantly detected by Sonic Generations. Yes, it does take one second.

I think you need to re-read what he actually said, because he never made any claim about how his Xbox "detects" his controller. He meant that he can turn on the XBox with his controller in less than a second. For those of us that are lazy, just pressing and holding the dashboard button on the 360 controller turns it on.

Also, calling someone a retard is against forum rules, matey

Sure is! Good thing I never actually called anyone a retard.

I don't have to deal with entering a code to prove I bought the game, not because I dislike used games, I dislike having to enter twelve codes to prove it was a legit purchase.

Funny, I don't remember having to deal with that recently. Oh, wait, actually, I guess you could count all the pre-order bonus codes I got from the CE of Forza 4

Even profit loss at used games is highly irrevelant. The industry picked up tons of mighty-bad habits from trying to shoot down people who buy the game used and has more or less shot themselves with some games.

This is completely irrelevant to what we're arguing about.

There are plenty, plenty of triple A titles that do infact require a code. Rage required a code to get into the sewer area. While Batman Arkham City required a code to play as Cat Woman.

You need to recheck your use of the word "required" here, because I don't think it means what you think it means.

Call of Duty required a Code to get either access to Multiplayer or a item in Multiplayer.

This is utter bullshit. Please point to me where you needed a code to access multiplier in any of the CoD games. And yet again, your use of the word "required" is incorrect.

There was a racing game a while back where you couldn't even choose any other car to use if you didn't buy the game's pass or new.

...how incredibly specific.

Once again, general tip is that calling someone retarded is actually against the rules, so make sure you think of what your going to say first.

Protip: If I call your opinion stupid, I am not calling you stupid.

EDIT: I just accomplish what you said would take several hours within two minutes with Assasin's Creed Brotherhood through Onlive.

LOL!? Really? OnLive substitutes a PC now? I forgot, PC gamers (when comparing to consoles) frequently like to change up the rules of comparison on their terms. OnLive is not your PC. Our comparison involves buying physical copies of the game, coming home, and playing them.

So your point is mute on the basis that it is possible to play a game on PC using a controller with little to no work.

My point about how long it takes from purchase to play had jack-fucking-squat to do with how easy or hard using a controller was with the respective platform.

Honestly, you strike me as a console-fan who is raging at nothing.

And honestly, you strike me as someone who cannot or is not willing to read, creates convenient PC-biased parameters for the sake of comparison, rages on and on about used games and codes, makes false claims about said codes either existing or being required, and in general a PC fan.

The way you wrote your post and all that definetely shows that you need to calm down and think things out rationally instead of jumping down someone who doesn't agree or like what you like every time.

And the way you wrote your post makes me wonder if you had your 7-year old cousin type it up for you. Thinking things out rationally....yeesh.

Sorry, I need to get up and close my windows. The bells of irony are ringing so hard I can't even hear myself think.

Yeah, thats kinda how it works. From his perspective the other persons point is mute, from yours its still valid. Once again, I never had a issue with plugging in my wired Xbox 360 controller and playing a game that was ported to a PC from a console, no problem at all.

Anecdote != fact.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

The used game problem is only going to become bigger and bigger.

We live in the here and the now. This argument/comparison is occuring in the here and now. So if the problem does not exist in the here and now, it is not relevant to the argument that is happening.

...here and now.

Yes, we all know a PC OS takes longer to start up because it's heftier and has to do more.

THat's fucking wonderful. I didn't make the comparison about startup, someone else claimed it was the same or less than the Xbox. I corrected them. Feel as insecure about it as you want, justify it however you'd like, but when such a comparison is made, you don't get to excuse it with "yeah well it has to do more!". I'm not denying it has to do more...

Why turn off your computer if you can just put it in hibernation?

Ah, of course, yet again, PC gamers playing by their own rules; when comparing the startup times between a 360 and a PC, we of course should be allowed to let the PC hibernate instead of turning off all the way. And by the way, unless you have an SSD, a 360 will still start faster than your computer coming out of hibernation.

Power is not an issue as a plugged-in powered down Xbox still uses a bit of power.

...kind of like, oh, I don't know, every single goddamn thing in your home that plugs into a wall?

Protip: use a voltage meter, and you'll find out how much power that all the things you think are off but are still plugged in are actually using. I think you'll be surprised.

I know it's easier to turn on an Xbox 360, but it does less.

It's not about what the 360 can or can't do. It's about comparing the two for the same activity. I'm not denying a PC is more functional (no shit), but when you make the claim that (a claim which appears to be lost in these pages by defensive PC gamers rushing to tell me how their PC can do way more and is therefore excused) a PC will go from game bought to game played just as fast as a console, you cannot add in artificial factors to that claim. You either take back the claim because it is false and comfort yourself with the fact the PC can do more, or you try and prove that it really is the case.

Whining that "oh, but it only starts slower because it has so much to load because it can do so much more" isn't relevant to the claim I'm rejecting.

 

[Balobo]

We live in the here and the now. This argument/comparison is occuring in the here and now. So if the problem does not exist in the here and now, it is not relevant to the argument that is happening.

...here and now.

We're on the verge of a new fucking console gen. We live in the future. Well, unless you want to keep your 360 forever and ever

THat's fucking wonderful. I didn't make the comparison about startup, someone else claimed it was the same or less than the Xbox. I corrected them. Feel as insecure about it as you want, justify it however you'd like, but when such a comparison is made, you don't get to excuse it with "yeah well it has to do more!". I'm not denying it has to do more...

Haha I don't feel insecure. I own every platform, my PC is just my preferred platform. You seem to be more insecure than anybody else in this thread lol. Okay the 360 may get you into the game 120 seconds earlier. So what? Really, what difference does that make? For the advantage in IQ and responsiveness, I'd say that's a decent trade off. I never turn my computer off except for at night anyways.

Ah, of course, yet again, PC gamers playing by their own rules; when comparing the startup times between a 360 and a PC, we of course should be allowed to let the PC hibernate instead of turning off all the way. And by the way, unless you have an SSD, a 360 will still start faster than your computer coming out of hibernation.

Firstly, I have a pretty mediocre HDD and my PC comes out of hibernation MUCH MUCH faster than the length of time my 360 takes to turn on. Like seriously, a press of the spacebar and my screen is lit in less than ten seconds. We're not talking about these shitty tests, we're talking about REAL WORLD SITUATIONS, which matters MUCH MUCH more than "oh the 360 turns on 34.1 seconds faster than an average PC."

...kind of like, oh, I don't know, every single goddamn thing in your home that plugs into a wall?

Protip: use a voltage meter, and you'll find out how much power that all the things you think are off but are still plugged in are actually using. I think you'll be surprised.

Okay, I don't see what point you were trying to prove here. I am aware that things take up power when they're off. I just said that it doesn't take up much power in hibernation to refute future claims that you might make such as "oh having it in hibernation isn't very power efficient". Jesus Christ calm down.
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It's not about what the 360 can or can't do. It's about comparing the two for the same activity. I'm not denying a PC is more functional (no shit), but when you make the claim that (a claim which appears to be lost in these pages by defensive PC gamers rushing to tell me how their PC can do way more and is therefore excused) a PC will go from game bought to game played just as fast as a console, you cannot add in artificial factors to that claim. You either take back the claim because it is false and comfort yourself with the fact the PC can do more, or you try and prove that it really is the case.

When comparing the two for the same activity, PC still comes up on top in every single way except for maybe start up times. IQ, control customization, online, etc. just everything is topnotch on PC. When comparing DD services on Xbox 360 and Steam, there really isn't anything that different when it comes to going from game bought to game played. I don't need to comfort myself with these facts. If I really wanted to have 360 as my primary gaming platform I would. But I feel like the pros of PC outweigh faster start up times (really, that's all it has). It isn't a false comfort that PC can do more, it does do more. It really isn't that hard to prove it. Tell me how you want me to prove it and I will.

Whining that "oh, but it only starts slower because it has so much to load because it can do so much more" isn't relevant to the claim I'm rejecting.

Lol I'M whining?

Also, please drop the hostile tone. It makes it sound like you take this too seriously and you have nothing else to do or talk about.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Because you are too lazy to find out where this argument originated, I will do what you decided not, and link you to exactly what I'm arguing about; this post:

I can easily start a game without having to wait for my console to start up everything.

I'm sorry, what?

Between firmware updates, badly optimised loading and trying to log into a service using a keyboard that's used with the controller, you spend just as much time as us waiting for something to start (assuming you don't solely use pre-firmware consoles.)

Edit: Stuff takes a while to load on all disc-based media, console or PC. You get firmware updates, we get patches which might or might not fix stuff, both of us have to log into services a lot, and now with Microsoft saying you can only play your XBLA games using the exact same console AND exact same user you bought them with...

Does the quality of the PC have a single fucking thing to do with "spending just as much time waiting for something to start"? No? Then please, for the love of god, stop trying to make it be.

We're on the verge of a new fucking console gen.

That's fucking wonderful. I'm not talking about "new fucking console gen", I'm still talking about the current gen, seeing as the original fucking claim was made about the current gen. Can you read?

Haha I don't feel insecure. I own every platform, my PC is just my preferred platform. You seem to be more insecure than anybody else in this thread lol. Okay the 360 may get you into the game 120 seconds earlier. So what? Really, what difference does that make? For the advantage in IQ and responsiveness, I'd say that's a decent trade off. I never turn my computer off except for at night anyways.

HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT. If you weren't involved in the claim made that a PC boots and plays a new game faster than a 360, please refrain the fuck from participating in it. I don't give three quarter's of a flying fuck if it's a trade off, what it can do, which one is better, or what grade you got on your most recent math test. I'm countering the statement that the PC boots faster. Seriously, jumping into the middle of an argument with no context whatsoever about what it was originally about makes you look really dim.

firstly, I have a pretty mediocre HDD and my PC comes out of hibernation MUCH MUCH faster than the length of time my 360 takes to turn on. Like seriously, a press of the spacebar and my screen is lit in less than ten seconds. We're not talking about these shitty tests, we're talking about REAL WORLD SITUATIONS, which matters MUCH MUCH more than "oh the 360 turns on 34.1 seconds faster than an average PC."

....sigh.

Okay, I don't see what point you were trying to prove here.

Yes, that much is very, very fucking clear to me.

When comparing the two for the same activity, PC still comes up on top in every single way except for maybe start up times. IQ, control customization, online, etc. just everything is topnotch on PC.

I'm completely speechless as to how little you're actually processing about what I'm saying. Seriously, I don't know how much clearer I can make this; we're (as in, "we" being the people arguing over a single point, not you being the person who decided to butt in without a clue) not talking about the PC being "better overall" or anything like that.

This is how it always goes in these console to PC comparisons.

1. PC fan makes a specific claim about advantage/statement/ability concerning the PC and the 360.
2. Console fan very specifically refutes that fact.
3. Other PC users who have no idea what the original point made in #1 jump in, get defensive, and start making excuses for their platform with reasons that are not related to the original claim.
4. Chaos ensues, console players get annoyed at 9,000 different tangents coming from a million different ends.

 

[TorqueConverter]

The point he is making remains; he brings a game home, presses a button on his controller, his Xbox is on in less than 30 seconds, and with 10 seconds after that (after putting the disk in), he's playing it. You cannot beat that with a computer, no matter how fast your processor is or how high your SSD's write rate is.

I know it's not your point but a point you are reiterating and solidifying on behalf of someone else, but how is the time it takes to install a PC game a valid argument against the PC platform?

While you are correct that the boot time with a game console is much shorter than that of a PC, not everyone boots a PC every time they use the machine. I keep mine running at idle or in sleep mode damn near 24/7.

I'll argue that a gaming PC offers much quicker load times than a console. If load times or any other time constraint is something of importance to a gamer then the PC clearly has an advantage provided the user keeps the machine at idle or has a machine capable of very quick boot times.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I know it's not your point but a point you are reiterating and solidifying on behalf of someone else, but how is the time it takes to install a PC game a valid argument against the PC platform?

Rational argument! Thank god. To politely respond, the time it takes to install a PC game is not being construed as an "argument against the PC platform", it is being used as an argument against the original claim.

While you are correct that the boot time with a game console is much shorter than that of a PC, not everyone boots a PC every time they use the machine. I keep mine running at idle or in sleep mode damn near 24/7.

Correct. However, in the original claim, the statement "we spend just as much time waiting as PC gamers do" was made with no constraint or parameter about either, so we are to assume that in that claim, if the comparsion is made about the PC relative to the 360, we are to use the 360 as a baseline measure and subject the console to the same rules of the comparison. This means that, specifically due to the claim made, what a PC can do outside of gaming is not relevant to the comparison, the PC cannot be powered on any differently than the console, and the used game market has nothing to do with any of this, and neither does one's opinion on which platform is "better". While it's obvious that I am a 360 user, no arguments I've used to counter the original claim of "Same time spent waiting" has been in any way opinionated.

I'll argue that a gaming PC offers much quicker load times than a console. If load times or any other time constraint is something of importance to a gamer then the PC clearly has an advantage provided the user keeps the machine at idle or has a machine capable of very quick boot times.

And you are perfectly entitled to that, provided that you realized the word you just used (ironically) is "provided". As in, as long as the PC follows these conditions that the console is not following, whether by choice or limitation.

I thank you for keeping it civil and logical.

 

[TorqueConverter]

Correct. However, in the original claim, the statement "we spend just as much time waiting as PC gamers do" was made with no constraint or parameter about either, so we are to assume that in that claim, if the comparsion is made about the PC relative to the 360, we are to use the 360 as a baseline measure and subject the console to the same rules of the comparison. This means that, specifically due to the claim made, what a PC can do outside of gaming is not relevant to the comparison, the PC cannot be powered on any differently than the console, and the used game market has nothing to do with any of this, and neither does one's opinion on which platform is "better". While it's obvious that I am a 360 user, no arguments I've used to counter the original claim of "Same time spent waiting" has been in any way opinionated.

It's not fair to compare a PC to a console. It's impossible to determine which system is superior as two platforms are not even remotely suited for comparison. In order for one platform to superior to the other, there must be a comparison between the two. How else could one come to the conclusion that one platform is superior to the other? The comparison is invalid therefore neither system is superior. There isn't even a baseline for "the PC" to even form the beginnings of a comparison.

I'm guilty as anybody for allowing and even encouraging this topic to become a PC vs console debate.

Let me take the 1st step in getting this topic back on track. While I consider myself a PC gamer I have also played on both consoles. I have noticed something about the consoles that I am surprised no one has listed as reasoning for playing on console over a PC. Skip to bold for short version

The last game I have played on PC, 360 and PS3 was CoD MW: 2. After playing on all three systems I noticed a flaw in the argument made on behalf of PC about the PC having all the control types. While it is indeed great to have the option to use a control type of your choice as a PC gamer for the game at hand, what about the gamers who wish to only use a controller? It's difficult to argue that you just plug a controller into a PC. I say this because certain games on PC such as online multilayer FPS damn near require the use of a keyboard and mouse just to be competitive.

The vast majority of PC gamers playing multilayer FPS are playing with a keyboard and mouse. It is suicide to plug a controller into a PC and play a multilayer FPS. I've done it. The gaming experience of a controller plugged into a console, when playing a multilayer FPS, is preferable to that of a PC when using a controller plugged into the PC while playing a multilayer FPS.

I'll also argue that the gaming experience of a console with a controller while playing a multilayer FPS is very different from that of a PC, with keyboard and mouse, while playing the same multilayer FPS. The gaming experience I had on the consoles when playing CoD MW: 2 was slower paced and causal while the PC experience was very intense. Neither experience was better than the other, just very different.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

Correct. However, in the original claim, the statement "we spend just as much time waiting as PC gamers do" was made with no constraint or parameter about either, so we are to assume that in that claim, if the comparsion is made about the PC relative to the 360, we are to use the 360 as a baseline measure and subject the console to the same rules of the comparison. This means that, specifically due to the claim made, what a PC can do outside of gaming is not relevant to the comparison, the PC cannot be powered on any differently than the console, and the used game market has nothing to do with any of this, and neither does one's opinion on which platform is "better". While it's obvious that I am a 360 user, no arguments I've used to counter the original claim of "Same time spent waiting" has been in any way opinionated.

It's not fair to compare a PC to a console. It's impossible to determine which system is superior as two platforms are not even remotely suited for comparison. In order for one platform to superior to the other, there must be a comparison between the two. How else could one come to the conclusion that one platform is superior to the other? The comparison is invalid therefore neither system is superior. There isn't even a baseline for "the PC" to even form the beginnings of a comparison.

I'm guilty as anybody for allowing and even encouraging this topic to become a PC vs console debate.

Let me take the 1st step in getting this topic back on track. While I consider myself a PC gamer I have also played on both consoles. I have noticed something about the consoles that I am surprised no one has listed as reasoning for playing on console over a PC. Skip to bold for short version

The last game I have played on PC, 360 and PS3 was CoD MW: 2. After playing on all three systems I noticed a flaw in the argument made on behalf of PC about the PC having all the control types. While it is indeed great to have the option to use a control type of your choice as a PC gamer for the game at hand, what about the gamers who wish to only use a controller? It's difficult to argue that you just plug a controller into a PC. I say this because certain games on PC such as online multilayer FPS damn near require the use of a keyboard and mouse just to be competitive.

The vast majority of PC gamers playing multilayer FPS are playing with a keyboard and mouse. It is suicide to plug a controller into a PC and play a multilayer FPS. I've done it. The gaming experience of a controller plugged into a console, when playing a multilayer FPS, is preferable to that of a PC when using a controller plugged into the PC while playing a multilayer FPS.

I'll also argue that the gaming experience of a console with a controller while playing a multilayer FPS is very different from that of a PC, with keyboard and mouse, while playing the same multilayer FPS. The gaming experience I had on the consoles when playing CoD MW: 2 was slower paced and causal while the PC experience was very intense. Neither experience was better than the other, just very different.

Holy shit. I wish I could meet you and shake your hand. That was a fantastic post.

 

[Aprilgold]

-snip-

OH NO, THIS IS WHAT TROLLS ARE MADE OF! Ya' see? I didn't call you a troll so I can't be reported, isn't this great? I'm not calling you a troll, its just heavily implied, boy, isn't literature great?

Still though, it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing, so I'll drop this here.

 

[Fishyash]

my 16 yr old brother has a nice setup to play his games. I guess he has a bit of both really. He tends to chat with his friends over xbox live instead of skype, and his friends like to lend him xbox games now and then or he uses the xbox to play games with his friends at times.

He uses a HDTV to play both his PC and xbox on. Both consoles are set up around the desk with a sound system in front of him. At the press of a button he can switch from the xbox screen to the PC screen. So sometimes I notice him managing his xbox live party settings while waiting to respawn on League of Legends for example. I guess he just set it up in a very convenient way. Unfortunately it does limit him to sit on a chair in front of his massive screen, but I think if he is to browse the internet for one moment and then joining an xbox live party the next, he probably finds it more convenient that way.

Personally I don't really see any advantages of playing console over my PC. All my controllers are set up within one minute, all of my games seem to work fine (...except planescape torment which likes to crash at random) and the time it takes me to download a game is equal to the time it would take to travel to my nearest games retail store to buy it.

I used to play on the 360, it's really handy being able to just turn on the console and just play, but ever since I played WoW, I've been wanting a better PC, and now I have one... and then I quit WoW but I have still been focusing on PC gaming.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

-snip-

OH NO, THIS IS WHAT TROLLS ARE MADE OF! Ya' see? I didn't call you a troll so I can't be reported, isn't this great? I'm not calling you a troll, its just heavily implied, boy, isn't literature great?

Still though, it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing, so I'll drop this here.

"I don't have any logical or rational response to what you've said, and I'm intimidated by your long post, so I'm just going to call you a troll in some clever indirect way and decide that I'm somehow above you because you're obviously just arguing for the sake of arguing."

Got it. I couldn't possibly have a point to what I'm saying.

That was pretty pathetic, to be honest. If you don't have the capacity to reply to me, seriously, don't bother with the whole hit-and-run "yeah? well you're JUST A TROLL and I don't need to reply" bullshit. Here's a quick rundown about how this "forum bzns" works.

1. Person makes specific claim.
2. Second person argues against specific claim.
3. Random person who doesn't know what the claim was uselessly flounders around in clueless waters.

Guess which one you are?

 

[Aerosteam]

Because my laptop is shyte at playing games, mostly.

I have to play Minecraft on the lowest graphics setting for God's sake.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

If they had a PC setup that cost $200 and most games on high then I'd be all over that shit.

I mean I know you CAN technically build a PC for $200, but it's not going to play Crysis 2 at 60 frames a second.

Maybe I should start a Kickstarter.

 

[XIII's Number XIV]

I've never had a computer that was good enough to run games up until last December when my mom got a Mac. Even still, I only use it for Minecraft. That, the fact that I can't speedtype, and that I've spent way too much money on my Xbox/Wii/PS2 to ignore it also factor in as to why.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

And when you can find those statements in my posts (which you won't be able to be, because you just made those up), feel free to remove that massive stick that seems to be lodged so far up your ass that it's causing you to speak words that were never said.

If you don't have the cognitive ability to process the above, here's a nice tl:dr for you; saying "I prefer controllers" is a perfectly legitimate reason to prefer console gaming over PC gaming. Being able to connect a controller to a PC does not negate this.

I bow my hat to you, as you have succeeded in stopping me from arguing the point further, by being a massive tool. It has been a non-pleasure interacting with you.

Yes, asking you to show me where you pulled your made up facts from is being tool. If that's the case, I'm definitely a 40-piece Craftsman set.

If you don't have the balls to admit you claimed I said something I didn't, kindly shut up instead of doing the "I'm taking the higher route" bullshit. I'll paste it again for you.

Point to me where I said said "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller".
The point to me where I said "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller."

I'll be waiting when you grow up.

Groan....

First of you are confusing Speech Marks for Quote Marks. "you can't game on a PC because you can't use a controller" was the original sentiment I was disagreeing with in my first post. "you can't game on a PC because controllers are not the main controller." was paraphrasing the following

because PC games are not made with a controller as the main control device.

Now as to the reason you are a massive tool. In all my previous posts, as far as I am aware, my tone was civil. Yours from the get go was aggressive, insulting and abusive. What ever good points you made were unfortunately outweighed by that doochy tone. Out of the two of us, I have no problems with the maturity of what I have posted so far. Have a look back at what you have posted and think if you can honestly say the same.

Conversation finished.....

 

[Brixton6]

I almost exclusively play games on the PC, however I love consoles for games where precise movement is a necessity (Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia). I'm perfectly comfortable using a mouse and keyboard or a controller, but it's hard to make precise jumps with only 4 directions available. I have a couple non-PC releases for my 360 (Reach, Red Dead Redemption) too.