How to train your dragon, HTTYD 2, Frozen, Tangled, Brave, Princess and the Frog, Big Hero 6, Home, Planes, and that's pretty much just off the top of my head.Fox12 said:
Why has traditional animation died (in the states)?
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For that matter, just how many do you think were being made in a 5 year period in the 90s?Fox12 said:
I would say it's not so much changing social trends, as a logical conclusion of the social trends that have always been driving western art.Fox12 said:
Verisimilitude, immersion, believability.
The thing about Japanese animation, is that just like Japanese poetry, Japanese theatre, Japanese gaming, Japanese gardening, and pretty much every other art form, it is extremely conservative, and focused on traditional forms of expression, only ever changing how the building blocks are put together.
They emphasize showing off the artist's skill at handling the genre, where the western artist tries to make the audience forget that they are looking at a work of art, and let them get immersed inside the virtual universe.
1996-2000spartan231490 said:
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Hercules
Mulan
Tarzan
The Prince of Egypt
The Road to El Dorado
The Iron Giant
Quest for Camelot
Anastasia
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Space Jam
Its not dying. Family Guy is one of the biggest shows in the states. Everyone loves them some Family Guy and the Simpsons is still going, theres Bobs Burgers and Futurama. They even have their own block on Fox. As far as movies I don't want to repeat everyone else but it is absolutely cost and ease of use. If you have high quality 3D to work with there is simply no practical reason to use 2D unless you feel like pissing off investors and not having the get made. Even Japan is trying to get in on the 3D game with horribly ugly and horrendous results. I don't know why but 3D animation in Japan is horrible unless they are combining it with 2D and even then it has a tendency to stick out a lot. But wholly 3D films look awful because they don't adapt really they try to have it look just like 2D. Whats worse is when they have characters or objects floating a few inches off the ground I mean how does that even happen? What a tangent.
But anyway major 2D movies are dead in the states. 3D is the future and it came to the surprise of nobody in the industry and it has no reason to die off even japanese animation has 3D in it somewhere.
But anyway major 2D movies are dead in the states. 3D is the future and it came to the surprise of nobody in the industry and it has no reason to die off even japanese animation has 3D in it somewhere.
I don't think you understand what the thread is about. I'm talking about traditional, 2d, hand drawn animation. The only one that you mentioned is Princess and the Frog. The others are computer animated.spartan231490 said:
I agree with you, that there are a lot of high quality 3d films being created. Up is one of my favorite films of all time. Not one of my favorite animated films, just one of my favorite films. I'm glad that there are good 3d films being made, and I hope they continue to succeed. However, I would like 2d and 3d films to be produced together, which used to be the case.
Traditional animated films have all but died in the West, which strikes me as nothing short of a tragedy.
Those all came up when I searched 2d animation. I admit not being an expert, but none of them look like the 3d animation I've seen. and if you're specifying hand drawn, of course that's dying out, it's significantly cheaper and faster to do computer animated, for the same quality result. Of course computer animation is going to win out.Fox12 said:
How do your examples not look like other 3d films? The films you listed are some of the biggest 3d titles of recent years. I'm fairly certain that Frozen is the highest grossing 3d animated film of all time (ugh). You can't have researched very hard.spartan231490 said:
I also wouldn't argue that their "the same quality result." I would consider them entirely different art forms. Have you seen recent 2d films from Japan? The quality is staggering. 2d films can make use of digital animation techniques, which are quite different from 3d cgi and models. Here's a list of hand drawn, digital, and 3d films.
Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges, but their related, because the prescence of one has impacted the existence of the other, specifically in America.
CGI Is easier. They can design a character and manipulate it with ease in a computer program(which is why so many Disney characters look so much alike, aka the Rapunzel same face syndrome). It annoys me to high hell that CGI is taking over because we have a ton of companies that don't know how to make it look halfway decent making cartoons anyways. Like Sofia the First, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Super Why, and Thomas the Tank Engine come to mind. I miss seeing hand drawn animation. It still exists, sure, but it seems like it is dying out. My youngest son seems to like it though, and if it'll keep him quiet long enough for me to go to the bathroom without an audience then so be it.
Speaking of traditional animation, I stumbled upon this gem today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=264&v=DUlg8Y_mLfA
The style, the music, the action, the character, the tearjerking story, aaaaah...
Could the future of 2D animation be in Kickstarter, just like with these guys? There are things in this short that could never, EVER be done in 3D animation and I think there's certainly an audience for that, if not big enough for a big release, then perhaps for an independently funded one?
The style, the music, the action, the character, the tearjerking story, aaaaah...
Could the future of 2D animation be in Kickstarter, just like with these guys? There are things in this short that could never, EVER be done in 3D animation and I think there's certainly an audience for that, if not big enough for a big release, then perhaps for an independently funded one?
It's like when the camera was invented I guess. Why pay an artist that takes longer to finish when there is an alternative?
It's a business decision made by people wanting to save money/turn a profit.
As a traditional graphite 'artist' (and God dam do I wear that label loosely!) I can appreciate the old cartoon classics and it is sad that that style is dying.
However as an avid reader and listener of stories I praise this new media for its flexabity.
It's a business decision made by people wanting to save money/turn a profit.
As a traditional graphite 'artist' (and God dam do I wear that label loosely!) I can appreciate the old cartoon classics and it is sad that that style is dying.
However as an avid reader and listener of stories I praise this new media for its flexabity.
Computers are how the creators of South Park can make an entire episode in 7 days. They will start the morning after an episode airs, and have the new one finished before it airs the following week. That's how they can crank out episodes about things that just happened in the real world.
They can often crank out the actual animation part in a day or two, they often get the finished episode in literally minutes before the deadline. It often takes them several days just to get all the jokes on track.J.McMillen said:
I still remember all the Mtv animation stuff. The Maxx and Aeon Flux .... The Maxx deserved a movie way over AF. Well, the AF movie was shite and had none of the spirit, feel, or character of the animated tv show, so.... both of them deserve a good movie.