Why hasn't the HAL been invented yet?

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Shirokurou

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Question: Why hasn't the HAL been invented yet?
Answer: To be a HAL it heeds to be self-aware. And how to do that nobody knows.
 

Gruchul

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Erana said:
Why is everyone so mean to HAL? He wouldn't have hurt anyone if humans hadn't been so mean as to give him contradictory orders.
Pretty much this. HAL never malfunctioned, humans did. If his instructions were entirely clear, HAL would probably be judged more fairly by the general public (and not 'murdered' anybody).
 

Treblaine

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Why don't we have it?

Partially because they made movies like Space: 2001 have contributed to making people paranoid about giving computers such deductive reasoning and decision making abilities, especially enough to justify murder and sabotage.

More precisely, Space: 2001 demonstrates how vulnerable an artificial intelligence would be in making one contorted judgement to do something very very dangerous.

No, the actual decision making and discussions are left entirely up to humans, the role machine intelligence plays is as a silent and eternally loyal slave. Intelligent, but ignorant. It will do EXACTLY what you tell it to do, if you tell (program) it to solder components then it will until it breaks and is repaired or scrapped.

It's not going to JUDGE whether the task it has been given is the right thing to do, or even whether it is the most efficient thing to do.

We haven't given decision making ability to machines because it's the one part of industry that humans would rather do themselves.

Interestingly, some decision making has been left on large systems, I remember they once handed over a trading bank to an artificial intelligence. I don't think it went well.
 

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Shirokurou said:
Question: Why hasn't the HAL been invented yet?
Answer: To be a HAL it heeds to be self-aware. And how to do that nobody knows.
It would help if we could actually decide what was meant by "self aware".

I mean if a Roomba Automatic hoover is able to recognise its own reflection... that surely can't be what is meant.
 

FalloutJack

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Bobic said:
We have got it, it's called SatNav.
More importantly, we have one with the voice of [HEADING=3]BRIAN BLESSED![/HEADING]

OT: Because building an AI, a REAL one, is alot harder than we thought it would be.
 

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The reason HAL hasn't been made is because we haven't figured out the human Brain's operating system, I guess you could say. I remember reading somewhere that we have properly simulated the brains of lesser creatures like insects and rodents. It's only a matter of time before we are able to completely simulate a human mind and expand upon that. When we get to that point, we'll really have to redefine what is alive and what isn't.
 

Antari

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My TomTom sounds like Hal ... and interestingly enough he has tried to kill me by having be drive down the wrong way on a one way street!
 

Kaboose the Moose

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DeadlyYellow said:
No. I hardly use power tools over the manual counterpart, so why would I place more reliance on machines?
You're joking right? You have hardly used or relied on anything mechanical before?
 

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Kaboose the Moose said:
DeadlyYellow said:
No. I hardly use power tools over the manual counterpart, so why would I place more reliance on machines?
You're joking right? You have hardly used or relied on anything mechanical before?
Aside from cars and computers, I prefer to do things myself.
 

Kaboose the Moose

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DeadlyYellow said:
Kaboose the Moose said:
DeadlyYellow said:
No. I hardly use power tools over the manual counterpart, so why would I place more reliance on machines?
You're joking right? You have hardly used or relied on anything mechanical before?
Aside from cars and computers, I prefer to do things myself.
Doing things yourself doesn't exclude mechanical activity does it? Given that the average person get's up in the morning, exercises (may or may not involve machines), has a shower (which may or may not use mechanical heating), make breakfast (which may or may not require mechanical appliances), catch a ride to school or work (which may or may not involve mechanical transport), do work/hand in assignments (which may or may not require mechanical aid), buy groceries/shop (which may or may not have machines or mechanical aids), get home (again transport), relax (TV, Console, Radio, Ipod, E-readers, games) and finally sleep (which may or may not involve mechanical aids: fan, heaters, mosquito repellents, etc..etc..)

I don't see how anyone can not have a mechanical reliance. Perhaps it's just me....
 

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Barziboy said:
Come on guys, lets face it.

We have Skynet forming on the Horizon, some form of Big Brother in Guildford, England (The Airstrip One-kind), and I can speak into my laptop and it will write what I tell it to...

So why haven't we got the whole HAL thing down yet. I'd be definitely up for it, even if the Murdering feature was included, just that suave voice would raise the roof at any of your crazy sexy parties...I bet HAL makes a good Martini.

Anyway, would you go for it?

theres a thing called ultra hal...sorta works :p
 

Kaboose the Moose

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stinkychops said:
Nouw said:
Saw Moon last night. Good example of a lovely robot!

Answering your question, why hasn't HAL been invented yet is quite simple. You know what he does, and anyone with the right mind would not create him.
He was made more lovely by the fact I assumed he was evil.
Yeah, I think it had lot to do with how he questioned and answered questions. Also the animated faces he kept pulling.
 

DeadlyYellow

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Kaboose the Moose said:
How's this then: I don't put my faith in largely autonomous devices that exist outside a virtual space. Any better?

Though I still don't like power tools.
 

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A computer programmed only by lines of code will never become an artificial intelligence.
To make an A.I., we would need to "grow" them.
In order to do that we need memristors, synapse-like circuits, and massive storage capacity. We have memristors and the storage capacity, but a technology that mimics the way neurons form connections while learning is some ways off.
You would assemble your A.I. brain, and then proceed to teach it how to operate. It would have base-level programming to start with though.