why hating on kony 2012 is inherently wrong

[manic_depressive13]

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Anyone who places themselves in the public domain should be prepared to encounter criticism.

 

[the random]

Yeah we're bad people because we don't want to be involved with people who were photographed with the LRA like they were just hanging out like old buds.

i dindnt say you had to support invisible children only that campaigning against it and destroying it is wrong

Yeah we're bad people because we don't want to be involved with people who were photographed with the LRA like they were just hanging out like old buds. Also having people putting things like #StopKony or #Kony2012 on their twitter won't catch him. Watching a 30 minute video will not help Kony be captured. Pretending like you care about what happens in Uganda now as opposed to a year ago won't help Uganda. I give the man props for trying to do something good, but I think he went about it in the entirely wrong way. Plus only like 38% of money donated actually goes to help Uganda the rest is basically used to promote Kony. Making him famous, not to celebrate him, but to make him known will do nothing. Everybody who needs to know about him has known about him for a long time and they've done what they can to try and catch him.

There's no doubt the guy has good intentions, but poor execution.

i agree with this post in terms of not supporting invisible children and this post pretty much sums up why I dont support invisible children but i never hated on the charity invisible children and neither do i see the need to campaign against the charity invisible children. why couldnt people who disagreed wit the charity keep it to themselves and maybe something good would have come out of it instead of it crashing and burning in such a bad way

2 more points on this
1. the LRA is a very complex topic and a big grey area not a black/white open and closed discussion
2. some people do care about kony 2012 and are not just "pretending to care" i care about kony allot and i hope that some one more capable than invisible children can bring him to justice

I don't see why you are getting mad at people for hating on Invisible Children. They literally do nothing, but point out "Hey this guy is really bad". It's just a way for people who want to pretend that they're "activists" to satisfy their own selfish needs. My problem is less with Invisible Children and more with all of the dumbasses on Facebook and Twitter who think they are actually making a difference. I can almost guarantee that unless Kony is caught within a month or two no one will care. No one will even remember they shared a video on Facebook or put a #StopKony at the end of one of their tweets. And worst of all if he doesn't get caught at all people will just forget about him. I know that Invisible Children is trying to make him visible people will enjoy that for a couple months and then they will get tired of hearing about him. If he doesn't get caught by the end of 2012 than I can guarantee most people will give up because we live in a society of instant gratification. If it doesn't happen right now or very damn soon people cease to give a fuck about it.

the reason why it angers me is because something genuinely good might have come of this if people that supported invisible children did well and people who hated on it could keep quiet about it but instead everyone rejected it and worse took some kind of sick pleasure in destroying this charity all the time acting like they were in the right and the charity it self was some sort of evil monster that had to be destroyed and know that it has failed (he lost virtually all his support even before he went crazy) all the haters do is dance on its corpse, shout out called it and act like they've had a major victory and made the world a better place when really the best thing to do would have been to interdependently put pressure on government officials to do something not just about kony but about the whole mess that is uganda

and i ultimately have allot more respect for some one who tried to do something good (despite its failings) than people who jut sit back on the side line not doing anything but hating on the people trying (often struggling) to make a positive difference in the world and its even worse when the haters actually feel like they achieved something positive or are proud of their "accomplishment" of hating on some one over the internet (something anyone can do)

Have you been listening to anyone else in this thread besides your self? The Charity was corrupt, the video was full of false information.

ive seen evidence of the charity doing some bad things but the charity is definitely not corrupt, at one point they were on CNN asking people to stop sending them money because they had enough and their charity isnt about raising funds but about raising awareness

the only over thing money wise is the whole "only 30% goes to charity" and "the ceo gets paid allot" which is true but the same is true of most charities because charities are run like businesses and come with allot of expenses, also it depends on the work being done a charity that makes video's to raise awareness will send less to charity than say oxfam
invisible children gives a higher percent of its money away than red cross but no one complains about them? (the reason for this is obviously the fact that the red cross works with medicine and needs to get much better equipment and requires much better qualified people to run but it proves my point well enough)

also my captcha was question everything which i found very ironic

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Cant tell if serious or just stupid.

This is the internet, not everyone is a sheep that follows everything because some guy said so. I didnt follow this because I knew it would achieve nothing. Not because i'm "evil" or "wrong". I always followed up my statements with evidence why it wouldnt work. Invisible Children act like the second word in their name "CHILDREN". They believe they can fix the world at the press of a button.

 

[the random]

Cant tell if serious or just stupid.

This is the internet, not everyone is a sheep that follows everything because some guy said so. I didnt follow this because I knew it would achieve nothing. Not because i'm "evil" or "wrong". I always followed up my statements with evidence why it wouldnt work. Invisible Children act like the second word in their name "CHILDREN". They believe they can fix the world at the press of a button.

i dont have a problem with people who simply just choose not to support invisible children my problem lies in the people that made it their mission to destroy invisible children that i think was very un called for and the wrong thing to do

as ive said i dont actually support invisible children but i dont think its destruction accomplished anything and i dont think it was the right way to handle this, a much better way would have been to either A. ignore it until it goes away (this would have happened much quicker if people didnt hate on it) or B. interdependently put pressure on government officials to deal with kony and the mess that is uganda in general

from what i can see the outcome of this is no one in uganda gets any help at all, kony gets of scott free with some pretty horrific crimes, invisible children (which despite its imperfections and cock ups managed to achieve allot more than most people do) looses all popular support and no one wins except the few haters who see the disaster as some kind of victory and proceed to dance on invisible children's corpse and act like they won some sort of victory

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Cant tell if serious or just stupid.

This is the internet, not everyone is a sheep that follows everything because some guy said so. I didnt follow this because I knew it would achieve nothing. Not because i'm "evil" or "wrong". I always followed up my statements with evidence why it wouldnt work. Invisible Children act like the second word in their name "CHILDREN". They believe they can fix the world at the press of a button.

i dont have a problem with people who simply just choose not to support invisible children my problem lies in the people that made it their mission to destroy invisible children that i think was very un called for and the wrong thing to do

as ive said i dont actually support invisible children but i dont think its destruction accomplished anything and i dont think it was the right way to handle this, a much better way would have been to either A. ignore it until it goes away (this would have happened much quicker if people didnt hate on it) or B. interdependently put pressure on government officials to deal with kony and the mess that is uganda in general

from what i can see the outcome of this is no one in uganda gets any help at all, kony gets of scott free with some pretty horrific crimes, invisible children (which despite its imperfections and cock ups managed to achieve allot more than most people do) looses all popular support and no one wins except the few haters who see the disaster as some kind of victory and proceed to dance on invisible children's corpse and act like they won some sort of victory

What is so wrong with a little positive critsism. It helps them improve. If you didnt know, even the Ugandans effected by kony dont think that he should be chased after. They dont even see him as a threat anymore. They want the money put into helping rebuild the villages and people affected by kony rather than going on some wild goose chase around central Africa.

 

[Tiddles]

I've been having this argument with a work buddy for days and he calls everyone who supports the campaign "dumb monkey sheep" for going along with the destabilisation of a poor African nation by the "bourgeois pigs of the west". I don't have an issue with his points beyond them being unreasonably offensive but all those points do not invalidate children being soldiers. There absolutely are bigger issues at hand but children being used as soldiers is simply unacceptable to me.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

No, grow the fuck up. This is the internet, reposting a video does jack shit for bringing someone to justice. 20 fucking years of operation, arrest warrants for 7 of them, direct military involvement for 2 and we still haven't got the guy. If you think that you were doing some good by sharing that video then you're incredibly fucking naive.

destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

Yes, my hate on the most viral video of all time destroyed this man's entire life. I hope it fucking did if he was that pathetic and weak. I'm not going to blindly support something just because everyone else thinks I should.

 

[theSteamSupported]

Doug Walker (Nostalgia Critic) made a sketch about this debate, I had roughly the same experience with Kony 2012 (minus the money).

http://youtu.be/BrZVFnqDpUM

EDIT: Why cn't I embed!?

 

[the random]

Cant tell if serious or just stupid.

This is the internet, not everyone is a sheep that follows everything because some guy said so. I didnt follow this because I knew it would achieve nothing. Not because i'm "evil" or "wrong". I always followed up my statements with evidence why it wouldnt work. Invisible Children act like the second word in their name "CHILDREN". They believe they can fix the world at the press of a button.

i dont have a problem with people who simply just choose not to support invisible children my problem lies in the people that made it their mission to destroy invisible children that i think was very un called for and the wrong thing to do

as ive said i dont actually support invisible children but i dont think its destruction accomplished anything and i dont think it was the right way to handle this, a much better way would have been to either A. ignore it until it goes away (this would have happened much quicker if people didnt hate on it) or B. interdependently put pressure on government officials to deal with kony and the mess that is uganda in general

from what i can see the outcome of this is no one in uganda gets any help at all, kony gets of scott free with some pretty horrific crimes, invisible children (which despite its imperfections and cock ups managed to achieve allot more than most people do) looses all popular support and no one wins except the few haters who see the disaster as some kind of victory and proceed to dance on invisible children's corpse and act like they won some sort of victory

What is so wrong with a little positive critsism. It helps them improve. If you didnt know, even the Ugandans effected by kony dont think that he should be chased after. They dont even see him as a threat anymore. They want the money put into helping rebuild the villages and people affected by kony rather than going on some wild goose chase around central Africa.

nothing is wrong with positive criticism (it is actually very helpful) but i think its fairly obvious that what invisible children was getting (for the most part) was very aggressively attacked from all sides which was very counter productive

its the difference between this conversation
person "hey invisible children i dont think your finances are in order because only 30% of the money you raise gets given away what gives with that?"
invisible children "im glad you asked this is not uncommon for our sort of charity as were more about raising awareness and getting the government involved than directly dealing with the problem however we see this is an area we can improve on and we will try to get more money to the ugandans that need it provided people are willing to donate"

and this conversation
person "omg invisible children only gives 30% of the money away they must be corrupt and evil i knew this was a scam everyone who gives any remote support to invisible children must be stupid FULL CAPS RAGE"

judging by what people have been posting at me the later has unfortunately been the most popular approach to the situation because apparently the internet is about as ready to discuss this maturely as it is to transform into a fire breathing dragon and personally kill kony

 

[El Danny]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

Invisible Children was a cash jump on someone who died 6 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry <<---- This is why Kony 2012 surpporters are idiots, you know absolutly nothing about why these leaders are in place. If you want to be a social activist actually learn about what you're trying to change, instead of making a pointless campaign against Token African Warlord #287 that isn't going to change jack.

 

[wintercoat]

how many people does it take to collectively be called "internet trolls"??

i wonder what the collective noun is for a group of internet trolls? maybe a bridge or a party? some one actually good at naming things (not me) should come up with one

on a more serious note i dont think you have to be in the minority to be a troll, for the same reason you can be in the minority and not a troll, its about how you condiuct yourself online and allot of the people i see hating (and a good many people for invisible children) on invisible are full caps on swear mode engaged poorly reasoned argument internet trolls

I'm gonna go with internet. An internet of trolls. That sounds about right.

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Cant tell if serious or just stupid.

This is the internet, not everyone is a sheep that follows everything because some guy said so. I didnt follow this because I knew it would achieve nothing. Not because i'm "evil" or "wrong". I always followed up my statements with evidence why it wouldnt work. Invisible Children act like the second word in their name "CHILDREN". They believe they can fix the world at the press of a button.

i dont have a problem with people who simply just choose not to support invisible children my problem lies in the people that made it their mission to destroy invisible children that i think was very un called for and the wrong thing to do

as ive said i dont actually support invisible children but i dont think its destruction accomplished anything and i dont think it was the right way to handle this, a much better way would have been to either A. ignore it until it goes away (this would have happened much quicker if people didnt hate on it) or B. interdependently put pressure on government officials to deal with kony and the mess that is uganda in general

from what i can see the outcome of this is no one in uganda gets any help at all, kony gets of scott free with some pretty horrific crimes, invisible children (which despite its imperfections and cock ups managed to achieve allot more than most people do) looses all popular support and no one wins except the few haters who see the disaster as some kind of victory and proceed to dance on invisible children's corpse and act like they won some sort of victory

What is so wrong with a little positive critsism. It helps them improve. If you didnt know, even the Ugandans effected by kony dont think that he should be chased after. They dont even see him as a threat anymore. They want the money put into helping rebuild the villages and people affected by kony rather than going on some wild goose chase around central Africa.

nothing is wrong with positive criticism (it is actually very helpful) but i think its fairly obvious that what invisible children was getting (for the most part) was very aggressively attacked from all sides which was very counter productive

its the difference between this conversation
person "hey invisible children i dont think your finances are in order because only 30% of the money you raise gets given away what gives with that?"
invisible children "im glad you asked this is not uncommon for our sort of charity as were more about raising awareness and getting the government involved than directly dealing with the problem however we see this is an area we can improve on and we will try to get more money to the ugandans that need it provided people are willing to donate"

and this conversation
person "omg invisible children only gives 30% of the money away they must be corrupt and evil i knew this was a scam everyone who gives any remote support to invisible children must be stupid FULL CAPS RAGE"

judging by what people have been posting at me the later has unfortunately been the most popular approach to the situation because apparently the internet is about as ready to discuss this maturely as it is to transform into a fire breathing dragon and personally kill kony

I understand where you're coming from and I totally agree. All this hate mail never helps anyone but you cant expect most people to have a civilised conversation. I agree that feedback should be discussed in a more civil matter but that will unlikely ever happen.

CAPTCHA: tighty whitey, doesth thow mockist me captcha

 

[the random]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

No, grow the fuck up. This is the internet, reposting a video does jack shit for bringing someone to justice. 20 fucking years of operation, arrest warrants for 7 of them, direct military involvement for 2 and we still haven't got the guy. If you think that you were doing some good by sharing that video then you're incredibly fucking naive.

destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

Yes, my hate on the most viral video of all time destroyed this man's entire life. I hope it fucking did if he was that pathetic and weak. I'm not going to blindly support something just because everyone else thinks I should.

1. i never said that re-posting a video helped bring down kony (and i never personally did) i just said that we had the potential to do it (however we completely fucked it up)
2. dude let me get afew hundred thousand people together to all shout hate at you over the internet (mostly for very poor reasons) and see how it affects you because it doesn't matter how thick skinned you are it will get to you and next thing you know youre the guy in drugs embarrassing himself
3. i dont personally support invisible children but they had the potential to be something i could get behind and i know several people who looked carefully at both sides of the argument and chose to support knoy 2012 they, were not sheep and they did a damn site more good (IMO) in supporting invisible children than all the people combined who have effectively destroyed it

as i just replied to some one else hating on invisible children accomplishes nothing, it doesnt help the ugandans, it doesn't help bring kony to justice and it destroys on of the few charities that has had any sort of success in addressing the issue (no matter how little it actually managed to do in the end) if anything its just counter productive and it would have been much better for everyone if it didnt happen

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

 

[the random]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

Invisible Children was a cash jump on someone who died 6 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry <<---- This is why Kony 2012 surpporters are idiots, you know absolutly nothing about why these leaders are in place. If you want to be a social activist actually learn about what you're trying to change, instead of making a pointless campaign against Token African Warlord #287 that isn't going to change jack.

1. seriously your quoted source is wikipedia?
2. i dont support invisible children however o know several intelligent people who looked at both sides of the argument and support invisible children and although i dont support it i could see it evolving into something i could support and although it want accomplishing anything by getting a video popular it could have used that popular support to make a difference
3. im not trying to be a social activist im trying to convince people that although you may disagree with something (like invisible children) it doesnt mean you should hate on it and campaign against it

 

[Beartrucci]

That is all LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[the random]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

 

[Mathak]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

Just because you disagree with Kony doesn't mean you should hate him and try to destroy him. God, you're such a terrible person.