why hating on kony 2012 is inherently wrong

[Baron von Blitztank]

So let me get this straight, because I still have no idea what this is about

There's this guy called Joseph Kony, he ran an army in Uganda which forced children to kill their parents (or die themselves) and turned the boys into soldiers and the girls into sex slaves. He caused terror throughout the country and he died some years ago and the army has been disbanded and they have barely any political power now. Then there are some people on the internet who are trying to run a charity to stop Kony (who, again, is dead) by using old footage of him in a marketing campaign to get people to donate to a cause that is pointless because the guy they are trying to stop is dead. This shows that the internet people running the charity are using it as a ploy to scam people out of their money who thought they are donating for a good cause but are really just covering this guys costs for filming in Uganda and giving him some more proceeds in the process.

Am I anywhere near close? Because from how I get it there is a good reason for the internet to be hating on Kony 2012

 

[Nikolaz72]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

He stopped the majority of his actions in 2004. If you wanna do something good try to make STOP Bashar al-Assad 2012. Im sure a lot more people would follow that, and guess what, you dont even need a movement. Several western journalists have 'died' down there trying to get footage. Im not gonna waste my breath trying to catch an 8 year old inactive terrorist. Not even by 'liking' it on facebook as thats apparently a valid way of contributing. No.

This guy is actively 'shelling' artillery bombarding. Children, no his not drafting them into military service, his 'waging war on them'. Honestly, I think thats worse. And thats something going on now, not something going on eight years ago.

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

What they hate is privileged American kids feining interest in something they know nothing about and hasn't been an issue since they were in fucking short pants. Also, don't quote things out of context. Makes you look really stupid.

Also, what this guy said. A nineyearold video was released about a guy who stopped his actions eight years ago. And young kids all over the world were too quickly to not look up facts and just think 'omg thats such a cool video' *Like/Share* And suddenly it was everywhere.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

What they hate is privileged American kids feining interest in something they know nothing about and hasn't been an issue since they were in fucking short pants. Also, don't quote things out of context. Makes you look really stupid.

Well, wrong and right don't really exist.

Don't be so goddamn obnoxious

 

[Wintermoot]

I hate it because it,s lying to yourself.
Just changing your FB status isn't doing anything yet people think they are the big damn hero.

 

[ZippyPizzahead]

What they hate is privileged American kids feining interest in something they know nothing about and hasn't been an issue since they were in fucking short pants. Also, don't quote things out of context. Makes you look really stupid.

My main problem. I don't dislike the campaign itself, just the people who see everyone else posting this crap, deciding to follow the crowd, and then forgetting about it the next day.

I find two links relevant here.
http://i.qkme.me/36h9t3.jpg
http://www.google.com/trends/?q=Kony&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0

 

[Arakasi]

Reasons why I don't care:
1. Worse shit has happened.
2. This is been and gone.
3. It's become an internet fad.
4. Worse warlords have been and gone and never been heard of by Western media, and yet this one is special? Nope.

 

[Snotnarok]

I think most people were 'hating on' it because it was just being slapped around on facebook/twitter asking for likes to raise awareness. Which is stupid and childish to think posting and liking a status will stop someone from being evil, and the guy was doing it for YEARS before this. Raising awareness isn't going to stop someone from doing bad things, a bullet in the head would though.

 

[Zelcor]

I believe in a very simple rule one I hope spreads far and wide.

IF something is so popular that facebook starts "sorting" peoples posts based on the subject ie. "Person A and 6 other friends posted about insert subject here" I instantly stop giving a fuck about it.

Kony 2012 was just giving people the illusion that they were making a difference. "You mean I don't have to donate any of my money and I can help all the while sitting at my computer in my living room? Well I'm absolutely amazing for doing this I feel soooo much better about myself" This was the basic dark inner thought about all the Kony 2012'ers. Kudos for people trying to do good I suppose but this whole thing was just poorly executed

 

[RagTagBand]

Oh i'm sorry, I didn't realize that airing legitimate criticisms against a clearly in-need-of-careful-critique charity was something that shouldn't be done. I do love your "Agree or STFU" Policy, It tells me how liberal, reasoned and enlightened you are.

People who do not agree with the Kony 2012 bollocks aren't, believe it or not, instantly helping or agreeing with Joseph Kony.

I know YOU might not have known about this guy until a week ago, but that doesn't mean everyone was quite as ignorant on global affairs as you and just because Invisible children have had the loudest campaign against him does not mean that they have made the only campaign against him. If you had actually paid attention to the criticism, rather than simply continuing to be ignorant about EVERYTHING, you'd have deduced that Invisible children are simply not the best charity to be donating to unless you want to see them make more films; If you'd like them to actually help the people in africa, uganda and the congo they're a terrible choice.

If you're under the impression that Public pressure, or how much money for films Invisible Children has, is the only thing stopping Kony being brought to justice then this CLEARLY underlines just how ignorant you are of the ENTIRE situation.

You don't understand the situation
You don't understand the important of the criticism
And frankly you don't have any valid reason for standing on your soapbox and talking down to anyone.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

What they hate is privileged American kids feining interest in something they know nothing about and hasn't been an issue since they were in fucking short pants. Also, don't quote things out of context. Makes you look really stupid.

My main problem. I don't dislike the campaign itself, just the people who see everyone else posting this crap, deciding to follow the crowd, and then forgetting about it the next day.

I find two links relevant here.
http://i.qkme.me/36h9t3.jpg
http://www.google.com/trends/?q=Kony&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0

My favorite one is

http://www.theafricareport.com/index.php/news-analysis/kony-2012-and-a-lot-of-angry-ugandans-501807410.html

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

1. i never said that re-posting a video helped bring down kony (and i never personally did) i just said that we had the potential to do it (however we completely fucked it up)
2. dude let me get afew hundred thousand people together to all shout hate at you over the internet (mostly for very poor reasons) and see how it affects you because it doesn't matter how thick skinned you are it will get to you and next thing you know youre the guy in drugs embarrassing himself
3. i dont personally support invisible children but they had the potential to be something i could get behind and i know several people who looked carefully at both sides of the argument and chose to support knoy 2012 they, were not sheep and they did a damn site more good (IMO) in supporting invisible children than all the people combined who have effectively destroyed it

as i just replied to some one else hating on invisible children accomplishes nothing, it doesnt help the ugandans, it doesn't help bring kony to justice and it destroys on of the few charities that has had any sort of success in addressing the issue (no matter how little it actually managed to do in the end) if anything its just counter productive and it would have been much better for everyone if it didnt happen

That's what I was getting at; it doesn't have the potential to bring Kony down and revering it as a saviour of all Ugandan people is stupid. He should have been well aware of what the internet does when he started and should have prepared himself for a backlash of hundreds of thousands of people to shout at him and his 80 million supporters. Besides, I was ridiculing the idea that I helped destroy him, rather than actually agreeing that I did. I'm not saying they were sheep, they were the minority of people who actually bothered to make a thought out decision. The people who supported it blindly are the moronic sheep.

I destroyed Kony 2012 because I disagree with Invisible Children almost entirely. 31% of donations is not enough and supporting the Ugandan military more so than the Ugandan people is ridiculous. The military enforces a horrific government and has been accused of rape, pillaging and child recruitment; effectively sending you back to square one. I'm not cool with people doing that so I'm going to shout and wave my arms like Kermit at everyone who does support it.

 

[the random]

Just because you disagree with Kony doesn't mean you should hate him and try to destroy him. God, you're such a terrible person.

made me lol, im sure you were joking but if you dont get the difference between some one committing war crimes deserving to be punished and some one trying to help out a situation (even if their not doing the best job) getting flamed to death by the internet before any good could come of it

 

[TheIronRuler]

Well, wrong and right don't really exist.

yes they do for example raping some one is wrong
giving some one who is dying of thirst water is right

trying to bring and evil man to justice is right
destroying some ones life who is trying to bring said evil person to justice is wrong

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What if you're forced to do the rape and if you refuse that man the keeps you both captive will kill both the victim and an orphange full of children?
What if the man dying of thirst is a wanted criminal with a death penalty looming over his head?
What if that evil man became a turncoat and is now working against his former friends. Stopping him would mean that you would not be able to catch others like him.
What if the man that wants to bring him to justice does it on purely personal reasons and has nothing to do with ideology?
...
This whole thread seems pointless. Are you trying to argue against all of the people that rallied against him? Like mentioned earlier, this is a group to raise awareness of the issue. Also, you can't really address the people here as the ones that attacked the group. To tell you truth I haven't even heard of it up till now... Interesting.

 

[Darth_Dude]

yes they do for example raping some one is wrong

Why?

giving some one who is dying of thirst water is right

Why?

trying to bring and evil man to justice is right

Why?

destroying some ones life who is trying to bring said evil person to justice is wrong

Why?

You cannot make a logical connection between any stance/action/etc and "rightness", because such a thing does not exist. When you say something is "right" or "wrong", you aren't making a factual statement.

Really? Seriously?

There are really people out there who think Rape isn't wrong? This is just...academic. I know you're trying to say that 'right' and 'wrong' are subjective terms, but...

Come on man. Do we really need to explain why Rape is wrong?

 

[Rawne1980]

Shows how much I pay attention. This is the first i've heard about invisible children (unless we're talking ME3 ending again and we don't want to go there).

All I will say, after looking into it a bit, is anyone who thinks a Facebook charity has any chance of changing anything or catching anyone is seriously deluded.

 

[The Funslinger]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

Yes, clearly we haters are the ones responsible for this mans decesion to do drugs and then run around naked in the streets. We forced him... nay! WE BULLIED HIM INTO HIS NEGATIVE CHOICE!

KONY ISN'T THE REAL MONSTER, WE ARE!

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>.> #AreYouSeriousBro?

hey man, some people don't appreciate a social issue being forced on them, no matter what that issue is.

dude if your life work was destroyed by internet trolls i bet you would go downhill fast, i think i would probably go nuts over it hell it upsets me just watching it happen to some one else

people hating on invisible children probably wasnt the only reason why he went crazy but it was definitely a BIG factor and the bottom line was that there was no reason for this to happen but people wanted to see a charity devoted to bringing an evil man to justice fail.

i fail to see how anyone can defend this behavior in ANY way

How about because IC's charity proceeds support the Ugandan army?

The Ugandan army. You've fucking seen them, right? They've got one hell of a habit of rape and pillaging. Yeah, they could be argued as better than Kony, but by a gnat's wing.

In any case, Kony is only fractionally as active as he used to be, and beyond that, he's not in Uganda anymore. So IC is doing nothing to stop him. Finally, only about 30% of the proceeds go to the Ugandan army. That 70% is being kept back, so IC are clearly the ones directly benefiting from this.

With these points, I fail to see how anyone could defend IC in any way.