why hating on kony 2012 is inherently wrong

[SoulSalmon]

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But again, as someone said earlier, what if Kony was raped? thousands of people wouldn't go "it's rape so it's wrong" they'd see it as a twisted form of justice.
In plenty of cultures (and even the 'civilised' cultures from the past) it's 'right' to rape, to commit incest, to be a necrophile, to give young children massive piercings, to be a cannibal.
The Bible say's it's perfectly 'right' to sell your daughter.
A lot of people think it's 'wrong' to eat meat, some think it's 'wrong' to be attracted to members of the same gender, 'wrong' to not be circumcised.
Basically, you were being trolled at the very start of this, but yes 'right' and 'wrong' are ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS subjective terms. Always.

 

[WoW Killer]

Didn't take long:

 

[El Danny]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

Invisible Children was a cash jump on someone who died 6 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry <<---- This is why Kony 2012 surpporters are idiots, you know absolutly nothing about why these leaders are in place. If you want to be a social activist actually learn about what you're trying to change, instead of making a pointless campaign against Token African Warlord #287 that isn't going to change jack.

1. seriously your quoted source is wikipedia?
2. i dont support invisible children however o know several intelligent people who looked at both sides of the argument and support invisible children and although i dont support it i could see it evolving into something i could support and although it want accomplishing anything by getting a video popular it could have used that popular support to make a difference
3. im not trying to be a social activist im trying to convince people that although you may disagree with something (like invisible children) it doesnt mean you should hate on it and campaign against it

1. It's fairly well accepted that a sourced Wikipedia artical is a reliable source, not good enough? Google is your friend.
2.It distracts from the real issues, such as the Global Arms Trade that keeps these warlords in power, not that they remains away from public view, the infomation has always been there, Kony 2012 isn't saying anything new, just outdated considering the guy is dead.
3. There are few things that grind my bones more then people who use 'charity' too pay for their 80K saleries, so yes I can hate it. Invisible Children have convinced so many people that a dead man has become the next Hitler and they're making themselves bloody rich on the idea that you're making somekind of diffrence, when infact you're distracting the world from the real issues that are causing these child soliders such deep suffering.

In short Invisible Children does nothing to serve the cause it pretends to serve, and instead makes the situation worse.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

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Invisible children saves children by murdering other children. Let me explain.
Please dont donate to invisible children. Its good that we are spreading awareness but dont donate to that charity. Write to your local politicion instead. Lemme quote myself on why NOT to donate.

The charity supports the use of the ugandian army to kill konys child army. The ugandian army is known for rape and looting .The picture of the charity members posing with armed militia.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-PnDZmngAhM/Sa_KBGNySiI/AAAAAAAAAJY/uBOfiAysghs/s1600-h/IMG_2941.JPG

Kony isnt in uganda so paying a charity that funds the ugandian army does NOTHING to stop kony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army#United_States_congressional_action

I dont advocate the use of soldiers against a children army. Killing children to save children isnt in my moral code.

Im all behind the awareness, i WANT politicions behind this, i DONT want the ugandian army funded to fight a children army.

Here is proof the ugandian army is less than legit
http://www.observer.ug/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17456%3Aupdf-in-kony-hunt-accused-of-rape-looting&catid=78%3Atopstories&Itemid=116

http://books.google.ca/books?id=tVOCIHLqn6wC&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=UPDF+rape&source=bl&ots=QX7Q996i0Z&sig=BuQdCci0vmhaXicxSWqfa88rYJk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yW1XT-m-MITW0QGywKG6Dw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=UPDF%20rape&f=false

I know its a hard issue. I know it seems like you gotta "break some eggs". But cmon these are children soldiers. They are not eggs to break. Killing them with the UPDF isnt the answer..."

The idea that the children kony are kidnapping are poor victims that need to be saved, UNTIL he kidnaps them, then they become targets sickens me. We cant brute force this issue. Dont donate. Write to the senate.

If you think the best way to save kids is to kill them then donate. I say spread the video, THEN encourage your friends to write to politicions. Hating on invisible children doesnt do jack shit about stopping kony as much as supporting them does. They do NOTHING and if YOU really cared about these kids youd do something helpfull. You sir are a hypocrit and a bandwagon jumper.

You know why youre a bandwagon jumper? You, like ALL facebook posts supporting kony, CLAIM to care SO MUCH. But you cant even be bothered to write a well argued and coherent letter to a politicion about it. I did. If people cared as much as they said they did they wouldnt support this charity and would instead demand political action.

Wanna see the video where they showed "kony 2012" to the ugandian victims of kony? They were NOT amused by your lazy clicktivism and they were NOT happy you were funding th ugandian army. The VICTIMS dont like the charity. How much clearer can it get.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/anger-kony-video-shown-ugandans-4777862

So am i going to hate on a charity that decides its right to KILL CHILDREN (konies army) with an army known for RAPE AND LOOTING?!

Yes

Yes i am

Inivisible children isnt great. It isnt good. Its WORSE than nothing.

EDIT: Id love to address your other laughable point that i "destroyed him". I agree with his viral video. Just not his charity. Please tell me how me, one person, on the internet, who did nothing but post constructive and well founded critisism "destroyed" a man. Please. Explain how i managed this. And how much of a monster i am.

 

[Vegan_Doodler]

Because committing mass genocide goes against the concept of perpetuating the species. "Right" and "Wrong" exist because of our innate biological drive to continue existing but with more and more of ourselves around. Morals and Ethics are just the result of this put into concept. Why is saving a man right when killing a man is wrong? Because in one scenario you are avoiding the untimely death of a fellow man, thus keeping our numbers raised, the other is the polar opposite of this result. In an ideal world, naturally there would be no killing so this does start to break down after that, but the general concept comes from that. We don't kill and innately discourage against it because it's apart of who we are as a social species. Kill beasts and eat their flesh to stay alive, don't kill your fellow man unless the end result is more men existing ect.

Sorry for the wall. Above is the general idea behind the concept of "Good" and "Evil" and where they fit, but really it's kindof irrelevant since it doesn't exactly work that way, does it?


Know what? How about this: "Good, evil, the difference between the two and the ability to destinguish this difference is a corner stone in human society. It allows us to structure ourselves in a way which we might not otherwise be capable of." And now i'm starting to babble so your turn.

No worries, I like walls, my hose is made of them, I apologies for late reply though.
Again, the statement saving right killing wrong has very little value (I know you touched on it towards the end) but killing someone, sorry I over use it but lets say Hitter again, results in more people living less oppression and far more diverse and accepting society, this is logical and rational and productive (and I suppose "good") where as saving Hitler would cause oppression uniformed society and a grate increase in the number of a** holes walking around (I suppose this would be called "bad"). Saving right, killing wrong isn't a logical argument it is an opinion, one that I'd like to point out I don't have anything against, the less people there are murdering each other the more productive the world would be but it is not fact.

To put what I'm saying in context, I don't like to use the words good or bad to describe anything that isn't being objective, I'm being over analytical here but to describe a painting as good or bad is technically incorrect because art is a subjective thing (why I don't like film critics much) but to say a painting lighting or perspective is good or bad is a reasonable statement because they are quantifiable things, if lines bend when trying to draw a box room with real world perspective its bad perspective. I also apply this to people, this may sound a bit phcotic but rather than good or bad I see them as productive and defective, if some one murders thousands of people they aren't bad because it is a subjective term and to them there is reason behind their actions (Hitler did it for his race not his species), instead they are defective, they are no longer contributing to a goal and are actively hindering others in theirs, this is when they need to be dealt with.

Wow didn't seem that big when I was typing it.

 

[Vegan_Doodler]

Okay......

I'll try and prove that Rape is wrong.

Rape has many psychological or emotional and physical effects.

Common consequences suffered by Rape victims are:
vaginal or anal bleeding or infection
fibroids
decreased sexual desire
genital irritation
pain during intercourse
chronic pelvic pain
urinary infections
pregnancy

Not to mention the STD's, and the shame associated with it.

How about the Physical effects such as bruises and cuts.

I don't think anyone should have to suffer that, all those effects clearly prove it's wrong, and detrimental to one's physical and mental wellbeing.

All the effects clearly prove is that it is probably one of the worst situations to be in but not that it is wrong. I would no wish this on anyone and by saying it is not wrong I am not trying to imply that it is right, merely that it is an act performed by what are some really scummy back water creatures. Morality plays a big part in how we view and act in the world but it is a some what arbitrary set of rules that have very little baring on practical world application. And not to sound hostile or any thing but isn't it rather arrogant to amuse that your subjective view of the world is absolute truth, out of the almost 7 billion humans on the planet why is your morality "better" than anyone else's. As far as I can see we all have the exact same qualification, we exist

Just to reiterate I didn't mean for that last part to sound so condescending, sorry about that.

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

I'll tell you how you can tell if something is right or wrong. It's that little sense of horror in the back of your mind. Ever felt it? It's your conscience.

Jesus Christ, moral relativity is the most retarded thing Humanity ever came up with, and that includes the vuvuzela.

 

[Toilet]

Jason Russell's idiot tax raised a shitload of money so he decided to get drunk, high and masturbate in public.

I knew it would eventually end in an arrest but not so soon.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

No, grow the fuck up. This is the internet, reposting a video does jack shit for bringing someone to justice. 20 fucking years of operation, arrest warrants for 7 of them, direct military involvement for 2 and we still haven't got the guy. If you think that you were doing some good by sharing that video then you're incredibly fucking naive.

destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

2. dude let me get afew hundred thousand people together to all shout hate at you over the internet (mostly for very poor reasons) and see how it affects you because it doesn't matter how thick skinned you are it will get to you and next thing you know youre the guy in drugs embarrassing himself

Oh no... NOT THE INTERNET! Not the place where I have a KA-BLOCK button and don't have to see people's hateful nasty words if I choose not too!

 

[Vegan_Doodler]

Morality and logic are separate entities, right. Sorry I didn't exactly understand your position at first. I'm not really in disagreement with you here.

And then every one agreed and everything was good forever and ever.

 

[Sgt Doom]

I'll tell you how you can tell if something is right or wrong. It's that little sense of horror in the back of your mind. Ever felt it? It's your conscience.

Jesus Christ, moral relativity is the most retarded thing Humanity ever came up with, and that includes the vuvuzela.

Moral relativity is an interesting philosophical idea, but far too many people view it as _the_ most valid philosophical position to hold, rather than as a demonstration of flaws in our reasoning and logic that should be overcome.

 

[need4snacks]

aaaaaaa

Well, wrong and right don't really exist.

Right and Wrong does exist. Morality is not subjective. People often assume that morality cannot exist as an inherent value because of all the cultural impacts its definition has come to absorb.

But 2 + 2 still equals 4. Just because some people think its ten doesn't make 2 + 2 a subjective math problem.

 

[eels05]

I'm to tired to even laugh at this.
Are you seriously going to chastise and tisk tisk at the internet?
Grow up child.
If everyone who donated time and money into Kony 2012,donated time and money to charities that actually make a difference on the ground for everyday Ugandan kids I probably wouldn't be wasting my time attempting to mentaly grasp your lack of 'having a fucking clue'.

But hey dont let all this turn you all cool jaded will you.

 

[Sandytimeman]

Well, wrong and right don't really exist.

yes they do for example raping some one is wrong
giving some one who is dying of thirst water is right

trying to bring and evil man to justice is right
destroying some ones life who is trying to bring said evil person to justice is wrong

depends on your religion, rape is okie via the old testimate. Source [http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm]

 

[MammothBlade]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

Hahaha. Sorry, but no. The campaign was naive and manipulative, don't try to take the moral high ground on this. I don't feel ashamed for seeing past the emotional blackmail + manipulation practiced by the whole Kony 2012 thing. I don't feel guilty because I can see beneath the surface... and your post is just another example of precisely what I mean.

Personally I think this whole social networking crowdsourcing thing creates a bunch of mindless fanatics who wouldn't give a shit if it wasn't pasted all over faecesbook and twitter. People who actively ignore other charity campaigns but all of a sudden start "caring" when some video goes viral.

 

[artanis_neravar]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

The dude made a choice, don't blame the so called "haters" for him making that choice. Also if people disagree with a cause it is their right to voice their opinions, just like it is the supporters right to voice their support. If people didn't stand up against the things they disagree with then Kony 2012 wouldn't have even been started.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Yeah! Hating on an organization that directly funds corrupt governments' totalitarian armies for a cause that was resolved six years ago is inherently wrong! Anyone who hates on an evangelical, cult-like charity that provides weapons to armies that oppresses its citizens is a monster, a true monster! Fuck those people! I'm gonna go out and buy a bunch of stickers to put on other people's cars!!

...do you read what you type before you post it? Seriously, in the words of David Mitchell: "no-one that certain can fail to be a maniac." These guys are corrupt and insane and him masturbating in public should cement that fact, not act to counter it.