Why Hermione + Ron didn't work but should have.

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Gottesstrafe

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shootthebandit said:
thaluikhain said:
Yes, Hermione was much better than Ron (I'd also argue than Harry as well, but that's just me).

So? She's not allowed to be with Ron because of this?

When you go on a date, do you compare test results or something? Cause, I don't think that's how that works.

To me, this seems reminiscent of the attitude that says guys earn girlfriends. There are lots of problems with that.
I basically came here to say this in slightly different wording, thank for stealing my job


Why wouldnt she want to date ron. He's a great guy. He's fun and loyal and an all round decent guy. Yes he's fucking stupid and a bit of wimp but by saying she shouldnt date him because "she could do better" is as theluikhain said saying that men earn women and only a good looking athletic guy can get the "best women". Attraction is a mutual thing and its purely subjective what youve just done OP is objectify romance which you just cant do. X must like Y because of Z is not a healthy way to look at how relationships are formed

I think the whole point of Hermiones success is that she is muggle born. She doesnt come from a wizard bloodline and she still kicks everyones arse. Ron on the other hand is a weasley who are pure blood wizards yet he is incompetence personified. This just goes to show that hard work and dedication goes a lot further than blood rights.
"Incompetence personified"? That's going a bit far. That was Neville's schtick, which made his turn around as the magic snake slaying rebel leader pay off so well. Ron was always the "competent but overshadowed by his family and friends" type. He was friends with the child of prophecy Harry and the brilliant Hermione. His brothers were the hyper intelligent and charming curse breaker Bill, the rugged athlete Charlie that chose to study dragons rather than play for his country, the intelligent and ambitious political climber with an eye on the Minister of Magic seat Percy, and the highly popular twins Fred and George who were also exceedingly good at charms and created a lucrative business together. Even his father, whom everyone collectively agreed lacked ambition as far as his career went but enjoyed his work, was the heads of two different departments at the Ministry.

To his credit, as far as school went before he left he was a decent enough athlete as his team's Keeper and even managed to enjoy some academic success by getting straight B's and an A or two in his exams. Compared to his friends he was a good tactician, pragmatic and generally more level headed, and had more practical knowledge of the wizarding world as he was not raised a Muggle (Hermione, while exceedingly smart, was mostly in the academic sense). Considering that his primary role was to be the more well-adjusted (if not reasonably insecure) put upon straight man to Harry's destiny and Hermione's genius he turned out pretty well in the face of the wizarding equivalent of the Boys from Brazil second coming of Hitler magic clone saga.

Edit: As far as the viability of a Ron + Hermione pairing goes, I can see the ground work in that they've been friends for a while and have been through plenty of extreme experiences together. However, personality wise he seems the most stunted of the three. I don't know whether it's a reflection of Rowling's weakness as a writer or the limitations of having a story solely from Harry's perspective, but Hermione and Harry get way more development while Ron slowly started turning into the sidekick/third wheel of the group. Ideally he should've been the competent wizarding everyman of the group who could easily make social connections and be their vein into the wizarding community at large what with his heritage and environment growing up. However, the story seemed to be more preoccupied with the expectations placed on him because of his lineage to the point where, rather than being a force in shaping Ron's development and keeping him in check, it just flat out became his personality. Then when they finally got together near the end it seemed more like fan pandering than a reasonable outcome. It's comparable to how the popular image of Dr. Watson turned from a surgeon that was smart in his own right and a good shot with a pistol to Holmes' bumbling wide eyed side-kick until shows like House and Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes reboot.
 

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No, they don?t work, but a lot of relationships of writer?s convenience are like that because plot. Think about Neo & Trinity in The Matrix. There doesn?t seem to be any real reason Trinity falls in love with Neo (and Neo vice versa) other than ?the Oracle said it?d happen, so it did? and then that bullshit kiss towards the end that seemed to rouse him from unconsciousness. Fast-forward to the sequel, and they?re humping like bunnies. WTF?

Anyway, in-universe reason that Ron and Hermione got together is probably because Hermione saw something in Ron that none of the readers did (I dunno, fanwank something). Not to mention they?ve known and grown up with each other for the best part of seven years.
 

DEAD34345

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I don't really agree with your reasoning at all. As many other people have said, those kind of relationships don't work on a ranking system comparing the different attributes of people to match them up, in fact there often isn't any (obvious, easily definable) reason why certain people end up together at all.

That said, I do remember it feeling kind of contrived. There wasn't much chemistry or anything, and they were probably just put together without much thought by Rowling, because that's just what happens at the end of a story.
 

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Thing is, they were telepgraphed from early on as going together, and while they may have stayed on that road because Rowling decided they would, the end fits perfectly in terms of fiction because they're opposites.

It also fits perfectly in the real world for a completely different reason: love is stupid. Love makes US stupid. A lot of people will tell you about relationships where they have almost nothing in common. I have an atheist friend who's had his ass dragged to church most Sundays for over a decade. But you know, they enjoy it so whatever. And I'd be more judgmental, except I've been there. Eight years with a partner who was undeniably nowhere near my intellectual or educational equal. When I say it makes us stupid, I'm not excluding myself.

Before anyone clarifies the point that the OP meant the books handled it wrong, I'm pointing out something that isn't really changed by that.

thaluikhain said:
Apparently it's a big thing in fan-fic for Hermione to discover she's actually pureblood, because of course she does.
And for her to defeat Voldemort, and for her eyes to change colour for some reason. Because being ordinary, or just plain being awesome, isn't enough.

Lilani said:
So...basically you're saying Hermione is a shallow ***** who should only be attracted to the funniest, most intelligent, most dashing thing with a penis?
While I disagree with his post, it's probably more shallow that she loves Ron "because thestrals." I will buy that there is some sort of physical, raw attraction--call it magic, if you will--but that is about all I can see. I'm not sure it's any less shallow of her.

Padwolf said:
In all honesty I thought Luna and Harry would be a much better match.
Luna was waaaaaaay too good for Harry.

...I mean, I won't say that love has to be "equal," but I had to joke within the context of the thread.