Why I Fight.

[Erttheking]

You're fighting for a world which does not exist, will not exist and should not exist.

Men and women will always treat each other with double standards, which is fine, because they are different. They expect different things from each other, and there are good reasons for that - both from a natural and a social stand point.

In any case, whats the worst thing your wife had to endure due to "equating female with male sexuality"? Just out of curiosity.

I will respectfully disagree, because your viewpoint is skewed and presupposes humans are only subject to natural impulses, which history shows is clearly false. Humans are fully capable of moving past their baser selves.

The thing is thats absolute trash. Humans don't even have free will, we just have the illusion of it, and thank god for that.

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

If you accept atomic theory, then you have to accept that people don't have free will. To believe there is free will in a universe where atomic reactions and subsequent actions take place, then believing that humans control the electrostatic atomic interactions in our head would be to believe that humans can control the atomic structure of the universe.

That said, we're humans. We can't be detached enough to accept that as the way of things, so just do what makes you feel good. That's all anyone can do.

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

You'll forgive me if I feel like that sounds nonsensical. How do things work if the human race doesn't have free will? Is racism just programed into us by destiny? Are we pre-determined to like one show over the other?

I can't do what makes me feel good. I don't have free will according to you. Therefore I can't. You see how nonsensical this is?

And what the other guy said, what in the name of all that is holy does atomic reactions have to do with anything?

 

[Lictor Face]

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

Individually? Perhaps not.

When you look at it collectively? Definitely.

If you truly had free will, you wouldn't hesitate to commit a crime right? If not for the little thing called the law, you'd probably certainly commit a crime without second thought. But because the law has set boundaries and punishment, you hesitate if not outright refuse. Thats already limiting your free will. Add in other dimensions.

Responsibility.

Filial Piety

Patriotism

Social status

Financial status

and more.

 

[Thaluikhain]

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

If women are told they have to be careful in public, or with strange men, in case men rape them, then they are being told that every man is a potential monster.

 

[Directionless]

You're fighting for a world which does not exist, will not exist and should not exist.

Men and women will always treat each other with double standards, which is fine, because they are different. They expect different things from each other, and there are good reasons for that - both from a natural and a social stand point.

In any case, whats the worst thing your wife had to endure due to "equating female with male sexuality"? Just out of curiosity.

I will respectfully disagree, because your viewpoint is skewed and presupposes humans are only subject to natural impulses, which history shows is clearly false. Humans are fully capable of moving past their baser selves.

The thing is thats absolute trash. Humans don't even have free will, we just have the illusion of it, and thank god for that.

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

If you accept atomic theory, then you have to accept that people don't have free will. To believe there is free will in a universe where atomic reactions and subsequent actions take place, then believing that humans control the electrostatic atomic interactions in our head would be to believe that humans can control the atomic structure of the universe.

That said, we're humans. We can't be detached enough to accept that as the way of things, so just do what makes you feel good. That's all anyone can do.

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

You'll forgive me if I feel like that sounds nonsensical. How do things work if the human race doesn't have free will? Is racism just programed into us by destiny? Are we pre-determined to like one show over the other?

I can't do what makes me feel good. I don't have free will according to you. Therefore I can't. You see how nonsensical this is?

And what the other guy said, what in the name of all that is holy does atomic reactions have to do with anything?

Dude, atomic reactions are EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING IS ATOMS.

Yeah, i'm not going to do this. If you ever feel like it, research basic atomic theory and it's implications. You should be able to find some good summaries on the web.

 

[Erttheking]

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

Individually? Perhaps not.

When you look at it collectively? Definitely.

If you truly had free will, you wouldn't hesitate to commit a crime right? If not for the little thing called the law, you'd probably certainly commit a crime without second thought. But because the law has set boundaries and punishment, you hesitate if not outright refuse. Thats already limiting your free will. Add in other dimensions.

Responsibility.

Filial Piety

Patriotism

Social status

Financial status

and more.

So what? We don't have free will unless we have absolute anarchy? We need to be able to do whatever we want whenever we want in order to be considered to have free will? We can't have any form of stability or civilization without it infringing on free will?

 

[Erttheking]

You're fighting for a world which does not exist, will not exist and should not exist.

Men and women will always treat each other with double standards, which is fine, because they are different. They expect different things from each other, and there are good reasons for that - both from a natural and a social stand point.

In any case, whats the worst thing your wife had to endure due to "equating female with male sexuality"? Just out of curiosity.

I will respectfully disagree, because your viewpoint is skewed and presupposes humans are only subject to natural impulses, which history shows is clearly false. Humans are fully capable of moving past their baser selves.

The thing is thats absolute trash. Humans don't even have free will, we just have the illusion of it, and thank god for that.

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

If you accept atomic theory, then you have to accept that people don't have free will. To believe there is free will in a universe where atomic reactions and subsequent actions take place, then believing that humans control the electrostatic atomic interactions in our head would be to believe that humans can control the atomic structure of the universe.

That said, we're humans. We can't be detached enough to accept that as the way of things, so just do what makes you feel good. That's all anyone can do.

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

You'll forgive me if I feel like that sounds nonsensical. How do things work if the human race doesn't have free will? Is racism just programed into us by destiny? Are we pre-determined to like one show over the other?

I can't do what makes me feel good. I don't have free will according to you. Therefore I can't. You see how nonsensical this is?

And what the other guy said, what in the name of all that is holy does atomic reactions have to do with anything?

Yeah, i'm not going to do this. If you ever feel like it, research basic atomic theory and it's implications. You should be able to find some good summaries on the web.

If you can't explain an argument and you just give up the second I ask you to explain it, then what was the point of bringing it up in the first place

And if "everything is atoms" then how did you decide to stop talking to me? Did the atoms that make up your mind decide they wanted to do something else?

 

[Directionless]

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

If women are told they have to be careful in public, or with strange men, in case men rape them, then they are being told that every man is a potential monster.

Well that's the same thing as being careful around odd looking fellows because they may be murders. There has to be a point where your paranoia lets up a bit and you stop suspecting every fellow walking behind you is going to sink a knife into your back.

 

[Directionless]

You're fighting for a world which does not exist, will not exist and should not exist.

Men and women will always treat each other with double standards, which is fine, because they are different. They expect different things from each other, and there are good reasons for that - both from a natural and a social stand point.

In any case, whats the worst thing your wife had to endure due to "equating female with male sexuality"? Just out of curiosity.

I will respectfully disagree, because your viewpoint is skewed and presupposes humans are only subject to natural impulses, which history shows is clearly false. Humans are fully capable of moving past their baser selves.

The thing is thats absolute trash. Humans don't even have free will, we just have the illusion of it, and thank god for that.

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

If you accept atomic theory, then you have to accept that people don't have free will. To believe there is free will in a universe where atomic reactions and subsequent actions take place, then believing that humans control the electrostatic atomic interactions in our head would be to believe that humans can control the atomic structure of the universe.

That said, we're humans. We can't be detached enough to accept that as the way of things, so just do what makes you feel good. That's all anyone can do.

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

You'll forgive me if I feel like that sounds nonsensical. How do things work if the human race doesn't have free will? Is racism just programed into us by destiny? Are we pre-determined to like one show over the other?

I can't do what makes me feel good. I don't have free will according to you. Therefore I can't. You see how nonsensical this is?

And what the other guy said, what in the name of all that is holy does atomic reactions have to do with anything?

Yeah, i'm not going to do this. If you ever feel like it, research basic atomic theory and it's implications. You should be able to find some good summaries on the web.

If you can't explain an argument and you just give up the second I ask you to explain it, then what was the point of bringing it up in the first place

And if "everything is atoms" then how did you decide to stop talking to me? Did the atoms that make up your mind decide they wanted to do something else?

Okay, listen. From what you just said, it is obvious that you have no grasp of the basic principles of science. I'm not your teacher, and am not going to educate you in different scientific fields just so we can have an argument.

That is why i'm not going to continue. It would require ages of explaining on my part, to a very unwilling receiver at that. So i hope you can understand why i'm pulling out.

 

[Thaluikhain]

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

If women are told they have to be careful in public, or with strange men, in case men rape them, then they are being told that every man is a potential monster.

Well that's the same thing as being careful around odd looking fellows because they may be murders. There has to be a point where your paranoia lets up a bit and you stop suspecting every fellow walking behind you is going to sink a knife into your back.

There should be, yes, but when a woman gets raped, especially by a strange and/or in public, then she will be blamed.

You don't see the same sort of reaction with murders.

 

[Directionless]

I don't see that reaction with rape victims. There are some people who have that opinoin of course, but implying that it's a majority of people including the media is something i would have to disagree with greatly.

 

[Lictor Face]

So what? We don't have free will unless we have absolute anarchy? We need to be able to do whatever we want whenever we want in order to be considered to have free will? We can't have any form of stability or civilization without it infringing on free will?

If you think peace and stability are the same as free will. You're sorely mistaken.

Plato's Kallipolis was the model peaceful society. Purely because it did not allow free will.

 

[Erttheking]

You're fighting for a world which does not exist, will not exist and should not exist.

Men and women will always treat each other with double standards, which is fine, because they are different. They expect different things from each other, and there are good reasons for that - both from a natural and a social stand point.

In any case, whats the worst thing your wife had to endure due to "equating female with male sexuality"? Just out of curiosity.

I will respectfully disagree, because your viewpoint is skewed and presupposes humans are only subject to natural impulses, which history shows is clearly false. Humans are fully capable of moving past their baser selves.

The thing is thats absolute trash. Humans don't even have free will, we just have the illusion of it, and thank god for that.

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

If you accept atomic theory, then you have to accept that people don't have free will. To believe there is free will in a universe where atomic reactions and subsequent actions take place, then believing that humans control the electrostatic atomic interactions in our head would be to believe that humans can control the atomic structure of the universe.

That said, we're humans. We can't be detached enough to accept that as the way of things, so just do what makes you feel good. That's all anyone can do.

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

You'll forgive me if I feel like that sounds nonsensical. How do things work if the human race doesn't have free will? Is racism just programed into us by destiny? Are we pre-determined to like one show over the other?

I can't do what makes me feel good. I don't have free will according to you. Therefore I can't. You see how nonsensical this is?

And what the other guy said, what in the name of all that is holy does atomic reactions have to do with anything?

Yeah, i'm not going to do this. If you ever feel like it, research basic atomic theory and it's implications. You should be able to find some good summaries on the web.

If you can't explain an argument and you just give up the second I ask you to explain it, then what was the point of bringing it up in the first place

And if "everything is atoms" then how did you decide to stop talking to me? Did the atoms that make up your mind decide they wanted to do something else?

Okay, listen. From what you just said, it is obvious that you have no grasp of the basic principles of science. I'm not your teacher, and am not going to educate you in different scientific fields just so we can have an argument.

That is why i'm not going to continue. It would require ages of explaining on my part, to a very unwilling receiver at that. So i hope you can understand why i'm pulling out.

Begging your pardon, I know what protons, neutrons and electrons are, I know electron shell structures, I know how atoms bond to each other and I know what isotopes are. You argument of "If we accept we think freely we accept we can control the fundamental nature of the universe" just makes no sense. At all. Please explain it to me.

 

[Erttheking]

So what? We don't have free will unless we have absolute anarchy? We need to be able to do whatever we want whenever we want in order to be considered to have free will? We can't have any form of stability or civilization without it infringing on free will?

If you think peace and stability are the same as free will. You're sorely mistaken.

Plato's Kallipolis was the model peaceful society. Purely because it did not allow free will.

I'll have to look that up later. I just feel like there's a difference between "being able to do everything and "not having free will."

 

[Charli]

...

Well, to be fair, I think that's generally an uncontroversial opinion you have there.

Agreed. I think you have a very defensive opinion of what many consider an 'idiot SJW'. Here's the bottom line. It's not you.

...Someone likely called you one because they couldn't come up with a better come-back or argument against what you were saying.

 

[AwesomeDave]

I honestly think one of the biggest roadblocks for feminism, is in fact the word "feminism" itself. It's very easy for that word to come across as a promotion of women's importance over men. This could be due to the vocal minority of feminists who come across as man-haters who want the social dynamic of gender roles reversed, not equalized.

I for one support philanthropy, caring for all people regardless of gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. Things like affirmative action and employment quotas do not help the situation at all. People should be recognized for their actions, personality and skills, not their body parts or skin color.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I honestly think one of the biggest roadblocks for feminism, is in fact the word "feminism" itself. It's very easy for that word to come across as a promotion of women's importance over men. This could be due to the vocal minority of feminists who come across as man-haters who want the social dynamic of gender roles reversed, not equalized.

I doubt it. You see the same sort of reactionary backlash against giving equal rights to ay group, whatever name is used.

The most that could happen is that feminists go for a run on the euphemism treadmill, they wouldn't really get anywhere.

 

[Directionless]

You're fighting for a world which does not exist, will not exist and should not exist.

Men and women will always treat each other with double standards, which is fine, because they are different. They expect different things from each other, and there are good reasons for that - both from a natural and a social stand point.

In any case, whats the worst thing your wife had to endure due to "equating female with male sexuality"? Just out of curiosity.

I will respectfully disagree, because your viewpoint is skewed and presupposes humans are only subject to natural impulses, which history shows is clearly false. Humans are fully capable of moving past their baser selves.

The thing is thats absolute trash. Humans don't even have free will, we just have the illusion of it, and thank god for that.

....What the frak is that supposed to mean? Free will is an illusion? Uh, not it's not. You weren't predetermined by fate to type that out. You did it because you wanted to. I just...that claim of yours is not rooted in logic in anyway shape or form! It makes about as much sense as when batman said that "Punk is nothing but death, and crime, and the rage of a beast" It's trying to sound deep, but it means nothing.

If you accept atomic theory, then you have to accept that people don't have free will. To believe there is free will in a universe where atomic reactions and subsequent actions take place, then believing that humans control the electrostatic atomic interactions in our head would be to believe that humans can control the atomic structure of the universe.

That said, we're humans. We can't be detached enough to accept that as the way of things, so just do what makes you feel good. That's all anyone can do.

@ theluikhain: He said he was a potential monster. IN this context, i'm quite sure he was implying that he believes himself to appear as a rapist. Or murderer. Which is even worse.

You'll forgive me if I feel like that sounds nonsensical. How do things work if the human race doesn't have free will? Is racism just programed into us by destiny? Are we pre-determined to like one show over the other?

I can't do what makes me feel good. I don't have free will according to you. Therefore I can't. You see how nonsensical this is?

And what the other guy said, what in the name of all that is holy does atomic reactions have to do with anything?

Yeah, i'm not going to do this. If you ever feel like it, research basic atomic theory and it's implications. You should be able to find some good summaries on the web.

If you can't explain an argument and you just give up the second I ask you to explain it, then what was the point of bringing it up in the first place

And if "everything is atoms" then how did you decide to stop talking to me? Did the atoms that make up your mind decide they wanted to do something else?

Okay, listen. From what you just said, it is obvious that you have no grasp of the basic principles of science. I'm not your teacher, and am not going to educate you in different scientific fields just so we can have an argument.

That is why i'm not going to continue. It would require ages of explaining on my part, to a very unwilling receiver at that. So i hope you can understand why i'm pulling out.

Begging your pardon, I know what protons, neutrons and electrons are, I know electron shell structures, I know how atoms bond to each other and I know what isotopes are. You argument of "If we accept we think freely we accept we can control the fundamental nature of the universe" just makes no sense. At all. Please explain it to me.

*I am capitilzing for emphasis, not out of condescension or whatever.

Because neurons are made up of many ATOMS. Neuronal electrical activity in aggregates forms all brain activity (Inlcuding motor skills, conciousness, emotions etc. EVERYTING). The product of these neuronal signals is what makes brain activity, and brain activity is what makes US.

These neruons are made up of atoms, and are therefore subject to the atom's reactions. Atomic reactions are pretty much positive things binding to negative things. WE dont control this process. To say that we have complete free will is to say that YOU (the product of brain activity, which is the product of neuronal singalling, which is the product of atomic reactions) can somehow control how the atoms in our neurons will react, which would be saying that WE can influence positive and negative atomic attractions in our brain. The flaw in that thought process is that our thoughts dont exist UNTIL these reactions have already hapenned.

I know it's a real mindfuck, and is really hard to get your head around (It took me a while).

you obviously dont have to believe any of this, it's just the only logical conclusion that can come from accepting atomic theory. Well, there's also all that dark matter shit which no one knows anything about, but we'll just leave that out of this discussion.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Don't care why you or anyone fights quite honestly. Feminism won decades ago and now all that's left of a once useful movement is moaning, whining and irrelevance. Feminism is an outdated dogma which, like sexism, are relics of the past. Feminism stands for injustice, inequality and discriminates against men.

I loathe feminism, I can't stand that this site has been taken over by a vocal minority of the moaners and complainers and the Escapist has suffered greatly for it. I wish all these social issues could just be taken out of Games and Off Topic and put in their own forum at least, but even that is unlikely.

 

[Silvanus]

Feminism won decades ago and now all that's left of a once useful movement is moaning, whining and irrelevance. Feminism is an outdated dogma which, like sexism, are relics of the past.

Feminism has "won", the job is done?

Do you consider the pay gap, or the incidence of harassment and sexual assault to be of importance?

and you prove my point

That may be the most simplistic explanation I've seen today.

Is it true of people who support equality for other groups, too? I don't eat meat, so I suppose I'm just trying to get animals to like me so they'll go out with me.