Why I love Nintendo

[PoolCleaningRobot]

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Damn your good with this syntax. I tried putting my replies into your quote but gave up.

But anyway Jim does have a few complaints in his review. For one, the touch screen doesn't work very well with your fingers and doesn't have multi-touch which blew my mind. Its battery was short and the picture didn't look very good when streaming games to it. I was only really trying to counter your "At least its original" argument because that don't fly with me. Moreover, I agree with him sorta. I don't want the WiiU to fail nor do I think it will and it just doesn't appeal to me and I think Nintendo can do their thing (which is whatever they want) and still make games that appeal to me and others.

I know Metroid Prime 3 was rated T but that doesn't mean a whole lot considering games like Super Smash Brother Melee were rated T. Bro, do you even remember the end of that game? It makes me cringe just thinking about it.

"Sir Samus is sending a message!" MISSION COMLETE flashes on a big monitor and Samus gives a thumbs up and flies away

I don't even want think about what happened in Other M (I understand it might have been fun for some, but narrative is important to me)

Also, there was hardly any gore anything too violent ever in the series. I remember in Metroid Prime 2 you find a group of Space Marines who were killed and all you see are some cracked space suits. Wouldn't a scene like that have been more powerful if they had been torn apart or something? It would suddenly be like "Woa! This place is dangerous!" instead of "Fucking pussy space marines. Good thing I'm Samus". So yes. I like tities and gore. Its great when you can make a scene carry weight without that stuff but sometimes it just can't be skipped. But to gush a little about Metroid (I love it and have beaten every game except Other M) something I can't deny is that the worlds always felt oppressive and lonely constantly walking around with whole planet trying to kill you, every place you go feels abandoned, reading logs from long passes civilizations. Metroid Prime 1 especially because the game was hard as tits. That's all fine and dandy but don't you think a little more adult tension (example: gross corpses instead of the cloned "husks" you find) would have made that game amazing?

As to your Halo statement:

A) fuck Microsoft and B) only having good first party games is what I'm afraid of. Sure, Ninty releases a lot of hell of a lot more than more than Sony and Microsoft and I personally think their first party games are better than Sony and Microsoft's but how can I get a diversity of games on such a console? Those 3 titles you mentioned are one's I couldn't give less shits about. Sin and Punishment is a sequal to an obscure N64 game isn't it? And do those game even compare to games like Dead Space, Metro 2033, or Red Dead Redemption? I kinda doubt it (but feel free to prove me wrong with YouTube links). My favorite titles of this generation are all 3rd parties. I know the Wii U "in theory" won't get left out like the Wii did because of scaling in graphics engines now but if I have the choice to play a game on a console with great graphics or mediocre graphics I'm going to choose great. (Please don't get me started on pc gaming hardware superiority. My decision is strictly between consoles. There are reasons I prefer consoles for most games but that's not part of this)

Basically, I want this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRSZy12EOSs

And none of this:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Wii+U&oq=Wii+U&gs_l=youtube.3..0l10.29990.31785.0.32453.2.2.0.0.0.0.63.115.2.2.0...0.0...1ac.1.0G9Ltvcpk5s

Your post is "Why I love Nintendo" and mine is "Why I stopped loving Nintendo". Who knows though. The console cycle is still young and its easy to say I won't get a WiiU until a sweet game comes out for it (WIND WAKER HD) and maybe they'll even do the things I mentioned but Ninty keeps their focus on younger age groups and casual gamers like they did for the Wii


Edit: fuck this site not making posting YouTube easy

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

I like nintendo as well.

At least their idiocy is just idiocy and pride, and not...well...EVIL.

Yes, it's frustrating for them to not allow the Ambassador Project games to be bought on the 3Ds store (I was hoping to pick up a 3Ds eventually and get to play yoshi's island on the go! Now I can't do that EVER because they said they would NEVER put those games up the 3Ds store), and yes it's annoying that they said they'd never have sales or reduce the price on their Virtual Console games...

But overall, I don't get the impression that they're deliberately trying to take advantage of their consumers. They just seem to have these weird ideals and practices that make no sense.

At least I get the feeling that they give half a damn. I don't get that feeling from Microsoft or Sony.

 

[vasiD]

Furthermore, while modern engines are designed to be powerful, they're also designed to scale. Epic build Unreal 3 to be able to scale to iPhone and iPad. They'll do exactly the same for Unreal 4.

Only Epic stated quite publicly they have no plans to scale Unreal 4 for use on the WiiU, in fact they publicly laughed at the idea. The quote is literally like "Hahahaha, no.", in front of the GDC crowd unless I'm mistaken, who laughed with him.

Everything else you said is fair enough, and as a PC guy I really don't have a dog in this console wars fight aside from the simple notion of staying happily out of it.

 

[Sean951]

Furthermore, while modern engines are designed to be powerful, they're also designed to scale. Epic build Unreal 3 to be able to scale to iPhone and iPad. They'll do exactly the same for Unreal 4.

Only Epic stated quite publicly they have no plans to scale Unreal 4 for use on the WiiU, in fact they publicly laughed at the idea. The quote is literally like "Hahahaha, no.", in front of the GDC crowd unless I'm mistaken, who laughed with him.

Everything else you said is fair enough, and as a PC guy I really don't have a dog in this console wars fight aside from the simple notion of staying happily out of it.

Except he later backtracked [http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/29/mark-rein-interview-gdc-2013/] that statement and called it a gaffe.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

their utter lack of responsibility with regards to conflict minerals has put me off entertaining the thought of buying anything from Nintendo

 

[Arina Love]

WAAAIT....low price??
PS3
$249.99 for 250GB PS3 model

$374.99 for 32gb WiiU model. (!!!!!!!!!!, i mean REALLY in this day and age you release system with such low space available out of the box?

A next-gen system with new ideas/technology and better graphics is going to cost more.

But you are making the wrong comparison, the direct comparison the OP made in the middle of his post was that original Wii's price being low compared to the PS3.

Before the Wii was out even a year I got the thing with another game besides Wii Sports for right at 250 dollars.

Also, as someone has already pointed out to you, that you can't compare the end of the generation price to the start of one. The PS3 when it launched was between 500 to 600 dollars, that is the number that counts when you compare. So the original Wii beat it in price and even at launch the Wii U beat it in price, and the Wii U is next-gen.

Yes 374.99 for the Wii U is higher than normal for a Nintendo system, but I know the PS4 when it comes out won't break lower than a base of 400.

Plus, I only see space on the Wii U as a problem for someone that is going to have 40 or more games on the thing, that is well beyond the game purchase count of a normal gamer(well until like 3 to 4 years later). I also never understood how people complained about the original Wii's memory amount. When my mom bought the thing for me as a gift(because at the time I had been looking everywhere and couldn't find one, since it was during the great Wii "rush"), at the store she got it from, the guy selling it to her said that it would be wise to buy an SD memory card(or whatever thing the Wii used for external memory) because the system didn't have a lot of space for it. The guy was obviously talking out his ass to sell more stuff, because during the time I used my Wii, which was around two and a half years, I had save files from 10 normal sized Wii games on it, plus 10 downloaded retro classics from the virtual store, and I still had a little less than half the memory of the system to go to fill up.

Considering the Wii U is only 32GB(though still greater space than the Wii), I would figure if I got one, with my purchasing level of gaming these days(much higher than before), it would still take around two years to fill that space up. Space always seems different compared to the other companies. Yes, for my Xbox 360, 32 GB is way to small(mine is a 120GB model), but the only reason I've used up 70GB of that space is because I downloaded a few of my full games to the hard drive to shorten load times. Main size and marketplace-wise, I have around 64 games(built up over almost 4 years) for my 360, and if I didn't download some of the main games full to my hard drive. I'd be looking at only 32GB or so of space used. So, to reiterate 32GB of space isn't on the WiiU isn't going to be a problem for some time, even if at all.

But WiiU doesn't play next gen games, it will only be playing next gen Nintendo games, all multiform games will be on PC xbox and PS platforms again. Therefore in my book it's a current gen system. So why would i buy system that is no better than 2 that i already have. For Nintendo games? They don't interest me.

 

[Get_A_Grip_]

I do like Nintendo, the DS and the GBA are two of my favourite consoles. However I keep forgetting that the WiiU exists until someone mentions it.

There's nothing about it that makes me want to own one. Very little third party support, controller has terrible battery life, UI is laggy, horrendous load times etc. I might pick one up in a few years when there's a decent library of first party games and when the price drops.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

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Nintendo's proprietary series are all targeted towards children, and made with children in mind. Pokemon is not a game for mature audiences, although they may enjoy it. The themes in it are not expected to be thought about and responded to by the average Pokemon player and are handled poorly, with Team Whatever tending to have an oversimplistic attitude that does not lend itself to discussion whatsoever. I'll give you Metroid, and Majora's Mask, but most other Nintendo games have at most a light subtext for mature players.

Monster Hunter not being multiplatform is beside the point. If Halo went from being Xbox exclusive to being PS3 exclusive and I were a Halo fan with an Xbox, it would be the same thing.

If I had to blame someone for Bayonetta 2, it would be SEGA for not publishing it. It's just sort of nebulously unfair that Nintendo got it exclusively, but as I said, they're not really at fault for it.

The Nintendo 64 was a long time ago. Nintendo has decided that instead of making more mature games for the audience that played N64 games, they are going to stick with aiming mainly at children. And after the Wii, which as you said had fewer mature games than either of the other consoles, Nintendo is hoping to regain the fanbases that they lost when they decided to make consoles based around motion controls and touch screens and releasing mainly shallow games for them. Besides which, I'm not talking about fans of action games or FPSs or whatever, I'm talking about the fanbases of Monster Hunter and Bayonetta specifically, neither of which were on Nintendo platforms.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

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My thing with consoles over pc is because at this point in my life, I'm fucking busy. For example, while I type this there is a pdf of a Biochemistry research paper on colorectal cancer on one half of my screen and a report on the other (by the way, Fun Fact: cooked meat creates HCA's which get "stuck" in the DNA of the cells that line your digestive track and can give you butt hole cancer. You've been warned). Random shit aside, I already bought a mid range gaming laptop years ago and I can run games a little better than my ps3. That, and I like controllers and tvs and stuff and it takes way too much effort to set this shit up on a computer. PC's need time and maintenance, god forbid I accidentally install a driver that screws up my other software. I also don't have $1000+ to drop on a pc with good enough performance to be worth it right now so there's no point. A console is a mid range pc except the games look better after a few years and it don't cost $600 or $700 and is a hassle to set up to game like a console.

Maybe I wasn't able to describe what I mean by adult which left you confused but to make my point: there's no reason you can't have both. A game with gore and adult content doesn't have to become "a B movie". That's why mentioned Red Dead and such. Red Dead is (obviously) a game about finding redemption so by necessity it had to be gritty otherwise there would have been no impact if all John Marstin did was punch some people or something G rated. Also, look at something like Fallout New Vegas. One minute you're getting a hand job from a robot and the next your making cutesy references to the Princess Diaries only to later experience a thought provoking commentary on religion between different cultures. These things don't detract from the game, but make it more complete. Google the white phosphorus scene from Spec Ops the Line. It probably wouldn't have the impact unless you played the full game though but when I played it.... Lets just say feels were had. That couldn't have been any other way that wasn't "so violent"

And I agree, you can't make a game with just high res textures and moar pixels but art style is important. Sure, the Wii U will probably have good looking games but won't you wonder what could have been? Wind Waker is being remade from the ground up in hd and that will be sweet but I wish some of the games I played on the Wii could have looked like that in the first place. Just to reiterate, I do NOT think games can only be good if they look "realistic" but lighting and affects can make all the difference in how immersed you are in a game. Deus Ex Human Revolution for example didn't look "real". There was nothing realistic about all that vapor and amber lighting everywhere but looked good with all that dynamic lighting. The world around the player is a character too and it should be noticeable no forgettable

Also, for the record, Metal Gear is the WORST example you could have used as a game that doesn't hold up. Metal Gear Solid 4 still looks unfucking-believable and I still play through that game. I'm serious. I expected every game to look that good someday and there's only a handful that come close. Even the Metal Gears from the ps2 and psp hold up as games that still fun and still look good.

As for Mario Galaxy, I still have Super Mario Sunshine around here somewhere. Its a Mario game and it looks about the same as Galaxy except for the whole space thing so I might as well play that again. Fuck, I forgot I might need my cousin to beat the level with the stingray

 

[DarthFennec]

I like Nintendo because they seem to be the only company who understands that power doesn't matter. They keep the power lower which keeps the price lower (which is a good thing), and the biggest change they make from console to console is the controller. I think this is great, because it shows that Nintendo is focusing on the user's experience (which IS what matters), and that they're willing to take a risk on an innovative control scheme (and, sometimes, this risk doesn't end up paying off). Of course, it's up to the developers to make good games out of it, but Nintendo does its share of that as well, and their results are normally fairly decent. It'll be fun to see how the WiiU does.

 

[likalaruku]

I'm a freshly converted Nintendo fan. See, I grew up on the other side of the console wars. What converted me? The sheer amount of RPGs on the Nintendo DS. Sonic's games went downhill when he went 3D, while Pokemon & Zelda are still doing it for me. I still think Mario is overrated as hell, but I will play his RPGs too. Nintendo also has Harvest Moon & Rune Factory & Dragon Quest the & older better Final Fantasy games & Fire Emblem.....

I guess what Nintendo & I have in common is that both of us are stuck in the past & won't step into the light of the 21st century.

Then we have the Wii. Outside of summertime hikes, I wouldn't exercise at all without that thing.

 

[TK421]

I used to love Nintendo, but now I like them. I'm certainly willing to give them another chance, but they still have some proving of themselves to do before I buy anything. I really like that they come out with cool ideas and actually try new things instead of just copying someone else.

 

[Epona]

Also. WIND WAKER HD

I have Wind Waker on the Gamecube. Is it really worth it for me to pay $350 to play it on the WiiU?

Also, I don't understand those people who say "Nintendo only makes games for kids". If Luigi's Mansion 2, Sticker Star, Mario Kart 7, 3D Land, New Super Mario 2, etc... are meant for kids then I must be a kid for enjoying them. I enjoy some of them more than others but none of them feel any more kiddy than Final Fantasy XIII or anything else I might play on a Sony or Microsoft console.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

Also. WIND WAKER HD

I have Wind Waker on the Gamecube. Is it really worth it for me to pay $350 to play it on the WiiU?

To answer your question: Depends if your one of those people who like to rebuy games when they're re-made (I am for Mario, for example). However, the WiiU will be worth $350 when the actual WiiU Zelda game comes out. So maybe you should buy it...

 

[Epona]

Also. WIND WAKER HD

I have Wind Waker on the Gamecube. Is it really worth it for me to pay $350 to play it on the WiiU?

To answer your question: Depends if your one of those people who like to rebuy games when they're re-made (I am for Mario, for example). However, the WiiU will be worth $350 when the actual WiiU Zelda game comes out. So maybe you should buy it...

I wasn't crazy about Skyward Sword. I will have to see reviews for the next Zelda before I buy.

 

[vasiD]

Furthermore, while modern engines are designed to be powerful, they're also designed to scale. Epic build Unreal 3 to be able to scale to iPhone and iPad. They'll do exactly the same for Unreal 4.

Only Epic stated quite publicly they have no plans to scale Unreal 4 for use on the WiiU, in fact they publicly laughed at the idea. The quote is literally like "Hahahaha, no.", in front of the GDC crowd unless I'm mistaken, who laughed with him.

Everything else you said is fair enough, and as a PC guy I really don't have a dog in this console wars fight aside from the simple notion of staying happily out of it.

Except he later backtracked [http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/29/mark-rein-interview-gdc-2013/] that statement and called it a gaffe.

He actually went back on that and said that Epic simply have no plans to bring UE4 to Wii U themselves. He went on to say that if another developer wanted to bring UE4 to Wii U, they probably could. He also said they made it scalable enough to work on 360, and even on mobile phones. Linky link.

Right, spoilered to avoid wall o'text.

Oh I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. Okay, I'm suddenly more optimistic about the WiiU, genuinely. I mean it's Backwards compatible, that right there makes it mildly tempting. Give it a couple more epic games and I'm in.

In fact I posted somewhere else just a few days ago something along the lines of "If Gamefreak makes a Skyrim style Pokemon on the WiiU I will buy one the second the game comes out".

But we all know that's a silly dream, they haven't even realized how profitable a Pokemon MMO would be.

Also: Editing around that wall of text was a manly endeavor.

 

[aba1]

The funny thing is I like Nintendo the best but their games alienate me. I was with Nintendo until the wii came out. The wii had so little going on I bought a 360. I mean I like a mario game once in a while and they have some decent franchises but you know I played them I enjoyed them I have moved on. Nintendo just doesn't offer the variety the other systems offer. The only thing I use my wii for is smash bros and cube games and I have played the wiiu and while it is decent there is not one game I am even slightly interested in coming out on it except smash bros and maybe pikmin 3.

 

[Something Amyss]

You only love Nintendo because their competition stinks?

Sometimes, you don't have to take a step forward if everyone else takes a step back.

I'm indifferent to all these companies. They're companies. And right now, all of them seem in a race to the bottom, but they're still companies.