Why I think eating Meat is A-ok
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I know. I rolled Necro like no other. I just wanted to see if you were the "I hate myself for being such a disgusting sinner" type of catholic. lolDiablo27 said:
Very true, except the vegetarian and quip back, "what about dietary supplements and greens that are abundant in iron, such as tofu, beans, chickpea, etc?".Macrobstar said:
The vegetarians' point if killing is inherently bad, and that we have alternative means of imbibing nutrition, why not go for the means that requires less killing? I'm sure they could make a host of alternative non-humanitarian reasons for it also.
Idk... I see alotta tomatoes thrown at the abortion clinic... Lol I keed I keed. I'm a pagan so yea hahaDiablo27 said:
I've eaten a many many animal in my 21 years on this earth quite a few extremely odd to a western person and I probably will not stop, usually the strange animals are included in a foreign dish while I'm traveling and would be rude of me to refuse the dish.
@ Plazmatic: Nowhere in my speech did I say that I wish that to enforce my beliefs on everyone. Also, as I can back the statistics the: "Science I have twisted" you are basically calling me a liar out of hand. I understand why people eat meat. It is DELICIOUS. More to the point, it is a cultural habit, one which is hard to throw off. As I have only recently become vegetarian, this is very apparent to me.
1. Methane is not captured and cannot be captured. To capture the methane of a farm you would have to enclose the structure and filter it. Impossible. Gathering it from the atmosphere is not practical, a physical impossibility to do so in amounts that matter.
2. That is Bullshit. Have you no concept of mathematics: if it takes 100 pounds of wheat to make 1 kg of meat, then you only consume 99kg of the output. Wheat and meat are both staple food items, and the comparison is apt, wheat contains fibre and carbohydrates. Basically, I have no idea what maths you are using, but it speaks to your lack of education.
3. I am not saying we have things that taste like meat. Also, synthetic B12 exists.
4. If we all ate crops, especially GM crops, then world hunger could be averted. Also, Animals spoil land that can be used for farming crops. Also, a bunch of middle class people in 1st world countries, poor? Don't make me laugh. Better to have no money in the first world than some in the third world.
Now please, stop talking with authority unless you know something about the subject, making stuff up hurts EVERYBODIES cause.
I don't believe that people should be forced to or not to eat meat. There are plenty of logical and ethical reasons not to, and plenty of good reasons too eat meat. In an ideal world, we could grow delicious meat with no side effects and eat it. In this one we cannot. There is absolutely nothing in my philosophy which is wrong and I defy anyone to make a reasonable arguement against me.
1. Methane is not captured and cannot be captured. To capture the methane of a farm you would have to enclose the structure and filter it. Impossible. Gathering it from the atmosphere is not practical, a physical impossibility to do so in amounts that matter.
2. That is Bullshit. Have you no concept of mathematics: if it takes 100 pounds of wheat to make 1 kg of meat, then you only consume 99kg of the output. Wheat and meat are both staple food items, and the comparison is apt, wheat contains fibre and carbohydrates. Basically, I have no idea what maths you are using, but it speaks to your lack of education.
3. I am not saying we have things that taste like meat. Also, synthetic B12 exists.
4. If we all ate crops, especially GM crops, then world hunger could be averted. Also, Animals spoil land that can be used for farming crops. Also, a bunch of middle class people in 1st world countries, poor? Don't make me laugh. Better to have no money in the first world than some in the third world.
Now please, stop talking with authority unless you know something about the subject, making stuff up hurts EVERYBODIES cause.
I don't believe that people should be forced to or not to eat meat. There are plenty of logical and ethical reasons not to, and plenty of good reasons too eat meat. In an ideal world, we could grow delicious meat with no side effects and eat it. In this one we cannot. There is absolutely nothing in my philosophy which is wrong and I defy anyone to make a reasonable arguement against me.
Plazmatic said:
no thats not exactally my argumentCarlMinez said:
I was more going against the (brainwashing) Ideas PETA loves to preach, that if you took nastly ol humans out of the equation nature and animals would all be dancing around like bambi
which isnt the case, as I said before they turn it into a black and white issue when it is anything BUT
I dont belive in unessicary cruelty against animals
Well that's just not true. Not eating meat does not cause health issues.Gustavo S. Buschle said:
If a vegetarian is not eating correctly, then yes, they will have health issues. Same goes for a non-vegetarian who is not eating correctly.
Health benefits and concerns
The American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada have stated that at all stages of life, a properly planned vegetarian diet is "healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provides health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases". Large-scale studies have shown that mortality from ischaemic heart disease was 30% lower among vegetarian men and 20% lower among vegetarian women than in non-vegetarians.[25][26][27] Necessary nutrients, proteins, and amino acids for the body's sustenance can be found in vegetables, grains, nuts, soymilk, eggs and dairy.[28] Vegetarian diets offer lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol and animal protein, and higher levels of carbohydrates, fibre, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals.[29]
Vegetarians tend to have lower body mass index,[30] lower levels of cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and less incidence of heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, renal disease, osteoporosis, dementias such as Alzheimer?s disease and other disorders.[31] Non-lean red meat, in particular, has been found to be directly associated with increased risk of cancers of the esophagus, liver, colon, and the lungs.[32] Other studies have shown no significant differences between vegetarians and non-vegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, breast cancer, or prostate cancer, although the sample of vegetarians was small and included ex-smokers who had switched their diet within the last five years.[26] A 2010 study compared a group of vegetarian and meat-eating Seventh Day Adventists in which vegetarians scored lower on depression tests and had better mood profiles.[33]
The 2010 version of Dietary Guidelines for Americans, a report issued by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services every five years states:
In prospective studies of adults, compared to non-vegetarian eating patterns, vegetarian-style eating patterns have been associated with improved health outcomes?lower levels of obesity, a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, and lower total mortality. Several clinical trials have documented that vegetarian eating patterns lower blood pressure.
A 2011 study published in the Journal of Agricultural And Food Chemistry stated that Vegetarians tend to have a lower body weight, less incidence of high blood pressure and lower overall cholesterol but have an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.[34] On average, vegetarians consume a lower proportion of calories from fat (particularly saturated fatty acids); fewer overall calories; and more fiber, potassium, and vitamin C than do non-vegetarians. Vegetarians generally have a lower body mass index. These characteristics and other lifestyle factors associated with a vegetarian diet may contribute to the positive health outcomes that have been identified among vegetarians.[35]
The American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada have stated that at all stages of life, a properly planned vegetarian diet is "healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provides health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases". Large-scale studies have shown that mortality from ischaemic heart disease was 30% lower among vegetarian men and 20% lower among vegetarian women than in non-vegetarians.[25][26][27] Necessary nutrients, proteins, and amino acids for the body's sustenance can be found in vegetables, grains, nuts, soymilk, eggs and dairy.[28] Vegetarian diets offer lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol and animal protein, and higher levels of carbohydrates, fibre, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals.[29]
Vegetarians tend to have lower body mass index,[30] lower levels of cholesterol, lower blood pressure, and less incidence of heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, renal disease, osteoporosis, dementias such as Alzheimer?s disease and other disorders.[31] Non-lean red meat, in particular, has been found to be directly associated with increased risk of cancers of the esophagus, liver, colon, and the lungs.[32] Other studies have shown no significant differences between vegetarians and non-vegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, breast cancer, or prostate cancer, although the sample of vegetarians was small and included ex-smokers who had switched their diet within the last five years.[26] A 2010 study compared a group of vegetarian and meat-eating Seventh Day Adventists in which vegetarians scored lower on depression tests and had better mood profiles.[33]
The 2010 version of Dietary Guidelines for Americans, a report issued by the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services every five years states:
In prospective studies of adults, compared to non-vegetarian eating patterns, vegetarian-style eating patterns have been associated with improved health outcomes?lower levels of obesity, a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, and lower total mortality. Several clinical trials have documented that vegetarian eating patterns lower blood pressure.
A 2011 study published in the Journal of Agricultural And Food Chemistry stated that Vegetarians tend to have a lower body weight, less incidence of high blood pressure and lower overall cholesterol but have an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.[34] On average, vegetarians consume a lower proportion of calories from fat (particularly saturated fatty acids); fewer overall calories; and more fiber, potassium, and vitamin C than do non-vegetarians. Vegetarians generally have a lower body mass index. These characteristics and other lifestyle factors associated with a vegetarian diet may contribute to the positive health outcomes that have been identified among vegetarians.[35]
I'm not trying to promote vegetarianism, hell I'm not a vegetarian.
But I get very tired of hearing simply incorrect bullshit like this. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't try to pretend like you do please, especially when you're criticizing a lifestyle. Thank you.
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On a note not related to you at all, but related to comments that often appear in threads such as these.
Can everyone please just ignore PETA? Yes, they are indeed hypocritical attention seekers.
However, by no means does that make all animal rights activists/organizations like PETA. Organizations such as the APSCA, FOA, and local humane societies all around the world are very sane and rational.
PETA is the WBC of animal rights organizations, and just as not all Christians should be judged because of the WBC, not all animal rights activists should be judged because of PETA.
Hahahaha, you reminded me of Louis CK then. In the good way (and is there any other way?).Vault101 said:
I get the arguments against meat eating, I also understand why part of those arguments are bogus, and how part are genuine. But, seriously, this is one thing I'm not willing to give up: Food is one of the few things I enjoy nowadays, immoral or not, it's delicious and it's going to my mouth right now.
O hai two sides on a matter that is down to individual choice claiming objectively being right!
Guess what: intolerance is worse than eating meat.
I eat meat. And I have no problem with vegetarians, vegans and so forth. What I do have a problem with is people claiming some sort of higher justification and trying to convert me.
Look - I hate it when religious people do it, I hate it when smokers do it, when fans of something do it, and I hate it when people with a specific culinary preference do it.
Also, this. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKTsWjbjQ8E]
Guess what: intolerance is worse than eating meat.
I eat meat. And I have no problem with vegetarians, vegans and so forth. What I do have a problem with is people claiming some sort of higher justification and trying to convert me.
Look - I hate it when religious people do it, I hate it when smokers do it, when fans of something do it, and I hate it when people with a specific culinary preference do it.
Also, this. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKTsWjbjQ8E]
I think this guy makes at least a bit of sense. I myself am currently not a vegetarian but considering how little meat I already eat it would be a tiny step...