Well I was looking for a good argument against meat, and you delivered and have got me thinking, so all I can say is well done.TheNarrator said:
Why I think eating Meat is A-ok
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I eat meat and I really don't care what happened to the animal before it died either. Man is a part of nature, and nature is a very harsh thing. Even if you believe that animals have "feelings" it doesn't stop nature from slaughtering it, whether it be from a lioness ripping the throat out from a gazelle or some farmer cutting the head off a chicken, it's perfectly natural. People really do tend to forget that humans are a part of nature. We aren't some supernatural entity spawned from thin air to make sure the Earth is kept in check. We use our logic and reasoning to triumph over other species just like nature intended, and I feel no remorse if it means some cow feels pain before it dies if I get to eat.
I think people feel "guilty" for eating meat in which the animal "suffered" because they somehow got into their mind that the "feelings" of these animals is more important than the nutrition of themselves and other humans. If you ask me, those are the unnatural humans.
I think people feel "guilty" for eating meat in which the animal "suffered" because they somehow got into their mind that the "feelings" of these animals is more important than the nutrition of themselves and other humans. If you ask me, those are the unnatural humans.
Why I think meat is A-ok: It's good.
Now, jokes aside I believe that while it may be cruel to raise animals just to kill them, it's better than to kill animals in the wild unnecessarily ... plus, I doubt some of this raised food will survive much in the wild ... so the way I see it, we win, the animals in the wild win
Oh and that Cracked article is really interesting. It got me thinking that people are protecting some "angels who would hurt a fly" and what bullshit that is. Some animals do not contribute anything, therefor they must be slain and properly served on a dish
Now, jokes aside I believe that while it may be cruel to raise animals just to kill them, it's better than to kill animals in the wild unnecessarily ... plus, I doubt some of this raised food will survive much in the wild ... so the way I see it, we win, the animals in the wild win
Oh and that Cracked article is really interesting. It got me thinking that people are protecting some "angels who would hurt a fly" and what bullshit that is. Some animals do not contribute anything, therefor they must be slain and properly served on a dish
The reason I eat meat is twofold:
a) It's fucking delicious.
b) I don't feel bad in the slightest.
I agree with the OP, animals are dicks. I grew up on a farm, I work with them nearly every day during the holidays. I've seen some die right in front of me. I have no empathy toward sheep or cows. At all.
a) It's fucking delicious.
b) I don't feel bad in the slightest.
I agree with the OP, animals are dicks. I grew up on a farm, I work with them nearly every day during the holidays. I've seen some die right in front of me. I have no empathy toward sheep or cows. At all.
but in fact the meat industry (as well as fur etc.) only brings animals suffering. There are many many videos on the interwebs showing you how meat stock is held and slaugthered... there is no respect for life in this process.viranimus said:
My question is: Why do we eat cows but not dogs or cats? Because they don't taste? They have this "long history together"-thing going with us?
Hint: None of the above.
I think what we have here can be called is a double standard. We judge by damn cuteness what lives and what dies! Back in the time after WW2 in destroyed Germany there was a dish called "roof rabbit". Another hint: that's cat. In Asia there are several dog dishes. So where is the problem with that? If it is only for the sake of "gusto", when we could in fact live good lives without meat.
I know I am not going to convince anyone right here - decisions are made. But a bit of critical thinking an what one eats and why would be great. i would link or post some pictures of butchering and living condition of "industry cattle", but i myself would ban me for this because it's damn gruesome.
People become vegetarians primarily for two reasons, morals and health.
Most moral issues bother me, though that's more directed to how people pick and choose convenient morals because they think they need specific restrictions to guide their lives lest they forget what good and bad is in a given situation. Fact is, you will never save a single animal with such a passive form of defiance like vegetarianism. And before someone says "But get a lot of vegetarians together and we can make a difference," you are not "a lot of vegetarians", nor do you have enough influence to make a difference. You are one person, restricting yourself of meat for convenient "moral" reasons that have no real effect on anything. It's just your conscience you're trying to protect, because you arbitrarily believe that it needs some form of tangible protection. Yes, animals are often treated poorly, but refusing to eat meat does nothing for that.
Health reasons are much easier to address. If you're smart enough to go on a vegetarian diet, then you're smart enough to eat like a normal healthy person.
For me the only acceptable reason why someone won't eat meat is if they simply don't like the taste or are somehow grossed out by it for reasons that don't include shallow morals.
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Now I don't care what people do or believe as long as they keep it to themselves, but a large amount of people I deal with are hardcore vegetarians. As soon as someone imposes their beliefs it becomes a problem and I'm constantly having to skip by restaurants that don't have good vegetarian selections or miss out on meat in lunch and dinner because it's offensive to keep it next to the "pure" food in the fridge. Any complaints result in "you need to respect vegetarian's beliefs" despite the lack of respect for my (less insane) beliefs.
Most moral issues bother me, though that's more directed to how people pick and choose convenient morals because they think they need specific restrictions to guide their lives lest they forget what good and bad is in a given situation. Fact is, you will never save a single animal with such a passive form of defiance like vegetarianism. And before someone says "But get a lot of vegetarians together and we can make a difference," you are not "a lot of vegetarians", nor do you have enough influence to make a difference. You are one person, restricting yourself of meat for convenient "moral" reasons that have no real effect on anything. It's just your conscience you're trying to protect, because you arbitrarily believe that it needs some form of tangible protection. Yes, animals are often treated poorly, but refusing to eat meat does nothing for that.
Health reasons are much easier to address. If you're smart enough to go on a vegetarian diet, then you're smart enough to eat like a normal healthy person.
For me the only acceptable reason why someone won't eat meat is if they simply don't like the taste or are somehow grossed out by it for reasons that don't include shallow morals.
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Now I don't care what people do or believe as long as they keep it to themselves, but a large amount of people I deal with are hardcore vegetarians. As soon as someone imposes their beliefs it becomes a problem and I'm constantly having to skip by restaurants that don't have good vegetarian selections or miss out on meat in lunch and dinner because it's offensive to keep it next to the "pure" food in the fridge. Any complaints result in "you need to respect vegetarian's beliefs" despite the lack of respect for my (less insane) beliefs.
Are you aware that people who eat meat have health issues as well? In fact, no matter what you do, you are going to have health issues at some point. Also, that's not what "omnivorous" means.Gustavo S. Buschle said:
Not taking sides on the meat vs no-meat debate, only logic vs no-logic.
You have a lot of interesting points that I tend to agree with. But humans? Not being animals? And entirely different from other animals bearing no similarities? That's just flat out fallacious.Vault101 said:
The "dogs and such show emotions but why not cows" argument doesnt stand up to scruitiny. Cows are herd animals. Notoriously stupid because they dont need to be intelligent. They huddle together, eat grass and let the confusing mass of mooing cow heads protect them from predators. Wolves (Dogs) on the other hand need to understand their pack. They need to understand their body language, moods, pecking order and the likes. Chickens have very small, simple brains. Dogs have slightly more complex brains and thus more capable of general thinking. Dolphins apparently do things like name eachother and have recreational sex and make friends and bonds like people. I say apparently i dont know if its true. So i suppose im going to go out on a limb and say i have double standards. I will eat stupid herd animals and bukking retard chickens, but try and feed me a dolphin or fido and i may well try and eat you instead.
I eat meat becuase if I didn't I would faint every five minutes from aneamia. That's nature for you.
Also if we stopped eating meat certain animals would become extinct very fast, most farm animals are pretty expensive to feed and care for.
I love animals but nature is nature at most we can try and stick to farm animals and make sure the rest of the body isn't wasted too much right?
Also if we stopped eating meat certain animals would become extinct very fast, most farm animals are pretty expensive to feed and care for.
I love animals but nature is nature at most we can try and stick to farm animals and make sure the rest of the body isn't wasted too much right?
The human body thrives on saturated fat from animal flesh, plant matter and fruit. The thing that's truly unhealthy for us is grains and processed vegetable oil. Grains unlike what we've been told to eat our whole lives is actually the worst thing human beings can consume. Grains mostly convert into sugar and raise insulin levels and that's what causes you gain weight to begin with. I can't believe im saying this..but..bacon is good for you, butter is good for you, steak is good for you, the whole wheat toast in your fridge is not. Saturated fat fuels your brain, provides vital cholesterol for your body, prevents blood sugars spikes. Eat plenty of veggies and fruit along with it and you'll notice how much better you'll feel.
Check out a movie called "FatHead" on hulu. It's free and exposes the bullshit we've been fed about nutrition back then and to this day.
Check out a movie called "FatHead" on hulu. It's free and exposes the bullshit we've been fed about nutrition back then and to this day.
My usual response is I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat veggies* exclusively.
*I do like vegetables tho and I even like tofu (yummy yummy inari) but I also like chicken and pork chops and seafood and BACON. Mmmmm bacon. Being lactose intolerant I have to get a lot of my calcium from veggies.
*I do like vegetables tho and I even like tofu (yummy yummy inari) but I also like chicken and pork chops and seafood and BACON. Mmmmm bacon. Being lactose intolerant I have to get a lot of my calcium from veggies.
But why would you become a vegetarian? Why restrict yourself with a specific set up guidelines by associating with a label when you could just eat less meat whenever you pleased?TheNarrator said:
You gave some big picture reasons for an entirely personal decision. You aren't big picture, you aren't large scale, you're one person with knowledge of big picture but not any realistic influence over it. I don't mean to attack you, but I'm curious what your other reasons are.
I like eating meat and I know perfectly that many animals are treated poorly, but since I am eating them I really can't bring myself to care much about it. If they can make the meat for animals with that extra meter of living space just as cheap as regular meat then I'll buy it.
