Why I think the ME3 fans are actually mad

[JoesshittyOs]

Feel free to disregard the incoming onslaught of 'stay out of the basement' jokes.

That's no joke.

OT: So if I'm to understand you correctly, it's the media to blame? Yeah, I'll say that you really shouldn't allow someone with a paycheck to tell you what to do, and in my own personal experience, the ending was worse than just bad. But we've heard all that.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Feel free to disregard the incoming onslaught of 'stay out of the basement' jokes.

That's no joke.

OT: So if I'm to understand you correctly, it's the media to blame? Yeah, I'll say that you really shouldn't allow someone with a paycheck to tell you what to do, and in my own personal experience, the ending was worse than just bad. But we've heard all that.

The basement is where all the terrible cliche 'welcome to X' jokes go to die.

Which is quite ironic, if you think about it.

 

[anthony87]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

 

[370999]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

What's really weird is why are gaming websites so against it. I can get certain individuals disliking it and arguing against it, that's fine though a lot of them speak from intense ignorance (Movie Bob) but the fact that very few seem to be posting any material from people supportive of it. Why is that? Surely a game site would be interested in generating discussion by showing both sides?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves against companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves againt dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves against game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

 

[anthony87]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

What's really weird is why are gaming websites so against it. I can get certain individuals disliking it and arguing against it, that's fine though a lot of them speak from intense ignorance (Movie Bob) but the fact that very few seem to be posting any material from people supportive of it. Why is that? Surely a game site would be interested in generating discussion by showing both sides?

Well that's the rub isn't it? This is where you get so many people saying that gaming sites are on the take from the companies and whatnot. While it's not an outlook I approve of I can't deny that during times like these it's pretty easy to see things that way.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

What's really weird is why are gaming websites so against it. I can get certain individuals disliking it and arguing against it, that's fine though a lot of them speak from intense ignorance (Movie Bob) but the fact that very few seem to be posting any material from people supportive of it. Why is that? Surely a game site would be interested in generating discussion by showing both sides?

Angry fans don't buy advertising space.

Maybe if the Retake ME3 gang gave their $80,000 to IGN instead of charity they'd have written a few supportive articles. Gotta put food on the table.

 

[anthony87]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

 

[ZorroFonzarelli]

To start with, I am a big Mass Effect fan, but since I lost my saves and need to replay the first two to get my Shepard back I did not buy ME3 at the beginning, and then I started hearing the news, as all of us have.

I think this issue comes down to more than just the ending, even though most people admit that the ending is terrible. I think the reason this has been so bad, and gone on for so long, is a sense of a lack of respect.

There's a sense of a lack of respect from Bioware itself, that it rushed a bad ending in its game and that it may very well try to sell DLC to make it better. This impression is not improved from Bioware statements that they would not do exactly what they did, or by putting out day 1 DLC.

But that's not the reason this flame war has gone on since the game has come out. This has continued, in my mind, because fans legitimate critiques have been openly derided by the gaming media, in what some have called a conspiracy and what I think is more likely to be just an emotional disconnect with fans.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/22/gaming-journalisms-problem-isnt-being-beholden-to-companies/

Instead of getting statements along the lines of "yes, the ending was bad for reasons X,Y, and Z" fans got called entitled and derided as immature children. Yes, some of them have acted like that but in characterizing the entire group as acting like that gaming journalism has gone too far. And if fans are getting disrespected by the mainstream media, gaming companies, AND gaming media, why shouldn't they be mad about that?

There are many people who say the attacks against Bioware threaten gaming as an art form, all the while claiming that we as gamers should seek no validation from non-gamers. I don't think validation from non-gamers is necessarily all that important, but I think respect from within the gaming community in general IS. Because if game companies are going to just treat us like walking wallets, then why should we treat them as artists? And if game journalism doesn't watch out for consumers against the exploitations of the companies, why shouldn't we think that the two are in league together?

This is an exceptionally well-reasoned and thought-provoking post.

I say if this notion makes it big, Rafael here will do the talking...

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

 

[him over there]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

How about a protest or something? we'll just all play Kirby superstar forever and treat each other with love and respect while dismissing all of them until they take us back.

 

[anthony87]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

I can just imagine how that would play out...

Group X: "We should try and form some sort of union!"

Group Y: "We wouldn't need a fucking union if you whiners didn't whine so much!"

*cycle repeats ad infinitum*

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

How about a protest or something? we'll just all play Kirby superstar forever and treat each other with love and respect while dismissing all of them until they take us back.

Love and respect? Did you forget that Zeel is counted as one amongst our ranks?

You've got a better chance of my idea for Badger Assisted Flight taking off.

[sub]I'll grab my coat...[/sub]

 

[BelmontWolf]

with the influx of fps games, mass effect 3 being a disaster to the community, new IPs next to non existent, the retailer GAME going under and the media against the community I genuinely am starting to believe that we are entering the end game for video games =/.
I mean i've always mainly been an adventure and platforming game player but those kinds of games are so rare to be released and when they are its always an elderscrolls or mario game. spyro and crash have become terrible and i only liked jak and daxter 1 the inclusion of guns was terrible imo.
I just hope it doesnt come to that =(

 

[him over there]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

How about a protest or something? we'll just all play Kirby superstar forever and treat each other with love and respect while dismissing all of them until they take us back.

Love and respect? Did you forget that Zeel is counted as one amongst our ranks?

You've got a better chance of my idea for Badger Assisted Flight taking off.

[sub]I'll grab my coat...[/sub]

Well just change it to condescending self-congratulations and we're set? I'm keeping the kirby part though...

Captcha: long division, it sure is.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

How about a protest or something? we'll just all play Kirby superstar forever and treat each other with love and respect while dismissing all of them until they take us back.

Love and respect? Did you forget that Zeel is counted as one amongst our ranks?

You've got a better chance of my idea for Badger Assisted Flight taking off.

[sub]I'll grab my coat...[/sub]

Well just change it to condescending self-congratulations and we're set? I'm keeping the kirby part though...

Captcha: long division, it sure is.

I think that's as close as we're going to get.

We're so fucking amazing for coming up with such an amazing idea. Those other morons would have never thought of such a fabulous and amazing idea.

 

[him over there]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

How about a protest or something? we'll just all play Kirby superstar forever and treat each other with love and respect while dismissing all of them until they take us back.

Love and respect? Did you forget that Zeel is counted as one amongst our ranks?

You've got a better chance of my idea for Badger Assisted Flight taking off.

[sub]I'll grab my coat...[/sub]

Well just change it to condescending self-congratulations and we're set? I'm keeping the kirby part though...

Captcha: long division, it sure is.

I think that's as close as we're going to get.

We're so fucking amazing for coming up with such an amazing idea. Those other morons would have never thought of such a fabulous and amazing idea.

I'll break out the super nintendo it's time to rock chrono trigger old school. How does it feel to be outclassed in both writing and players choices by a game from fifteen years ago Bioware? Not that bad?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that the ME3 ending situation has changed from people being unhappy with the ending to the people who are unhappy with the ending having to defend themselves from seemingly every bloody gaming publication on the internet.

Sad times...

I believe this whole issue has triggered something bigger than itself.

Gamers are sick of having to defend themselves on all fronts.

We have to defend ourselves against people who don't see games as anything more than a child's toy.

We have to defend ourselves from companies trying to bleed us dry with unfair business practices.

We have to defend ourselves from dev teams who consider extreme criticism as a form of 'self entitled fanboy whining'.

And we have to defend ourselves from game 'journalists', the one group of people who should have our backs, dismissing us in the same way as the dev teams.

Don't forget we've had to defend ourselves from all the other gamers who are more than happy to roll out the "entitled" or "whiners" carpet.

Indeed.

So with the added infighting, gamers don't have a cat in hells chance of forming a strong enough united front to actually make devs and publishers seriously listen to us.

We need a fucking union, or something.

How about a protest or something? we'll just all play Kirby superstar forever and treat each other with love and respect while dismissing all of them until they take us back.

Love and respect? Did you forget that Zeel is counted as one amongst our ranks?

You've got a better chance of my idea for Badger Assisted Flight taking off.

[sub]I'll grab my coat...[/sub]

Well just change it to condescending self-congratulations and we're set? I'm keeping the kirby part though...

Captcha: long division, it sure is.

I think that's as close as we're going to get.

We're so fucking amazing for coming up with such an amazing idea. Those other morons would have never thought of such a fabulous and amazing idea.

I'll break out the super nintendo it's time to rock chrono trigger old school. How does it feel to be outclassed in both writing and players choices by a game from fifteen years ago Bioware? Not that bad?

You didn't see the proper ending.

Robo rebelled against the organics so that they couldn't destroy Lavos so they couldn't live long enough to create synthetics that rebel and destroy organics so they couldn't defeat Lavos.