Why is bullying so prevalent in Australian society?

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This is heartbreaking!
https://au.news.yahoo.com/mother-finds-heartbreaking-message-daughters-nintendo-game-023316873.html

https://www.springfielddailyrecord.com.au/news/home-schooling-on-rise-as-australian-bullies-world/3364756/

http://www.unisa.edu.au/Media-Centre/Releases/Australians-some-of-the-worlds-worst-bullies-at-work/

Why are Australians so mean? What can be done to promote compassion and kindness in their society? Should the international community be aggressive and come down hard on their nation?
 

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Is it? When I worked at the NSW Department of Education our schoolyard bullying rates of measured violence in schools weren't that different from places like Switzerland and France. Sure, there's more to bullying than kids throwing punches, and that just represents a subset of what bullying is, but it's a standout metric that I remember finding.

That's not to say that bullying was 'acceptable' ... just that Australia (or at least NSW) wasn't that particularly noteworthy (for better or worse).

What I can say is Australian schools are better now than they were when I was a kid. That's not exctly worth a pat on the back, however. It was almost considered acceptable that school simply be an extension of the hard knocks style of education.

One of the biggest predicaments of secondary school across Australia and challenging bullying is it's often cyclical. You have kids aged 12/13 rubbing shoulders with students 16+. And we found a significant correlation to suffering bullying at the hands of older students resulting in turn when the shoe is on the other foot, those kids who were bullied would in turn bully younger students.

There's a couple of factors for this. Bullying leads to poorer grades, reduced classroom participation, and thus their total engagement at school was often measured by their capacity to endure, and then reciprocate, violence. In terms of ostracism and psychological or social sabotage, we also found young girls exposed to this environment would in turn mimic it once they had established their own cliches of participating female students.

The problem is you can easier count the number of times students send eachother to the NO ... it's harder to calculate just how much a student may be suffering social and psychological sabotage by other students.

That being said, there'sbeen multiple initiatives to check bullying in shools, and once again the situation is proving safer in general than it was in the past. It's a bit much to expect teachers to confront cyberbullying when it happens off school grounds. Things like trying to gain dirt on fellow students for the sake of emotional and social sabotage material is infinitely harder to check. Let's face it ... teachers have enough on their plate without having to treat the whole of the internet as if an extension of their ground duty.

If you want a really basic answer to why cyberbullying is a problem across the OECD, it's simply a matter of ready access to the internet at all times. Students go to school now with three or more devices capable of making an internet connection.

The internet is a part of the school ground, but no school on Earth has enough teachers to treat it as such. Some classes you would confiscate up to three phones before its end ... phones specifically and only, not including other devices. Some of the mind games you'd see the kids pull against their own throuygh social media. Ugly stuff... and all too often one couple of parents would often not see that as a problem while the victim's parents would make demands trying to counteract it.

And whatever legislation and school initiative you can imagine is not going to be apt to cover all its instances.
 

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Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
 

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US is just as bad if not worse. We hire people that beat our children and look the other way if a child is getting hurt.
 

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CaptJohnSheridan said:
Should the international community be aggressive and come down hard on their nation?
That's an excellent way of not helping things at all.

But yeah, bullying is a real problem here, and everywhere. Especially with the current government.
 

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Thaluikhain said:
That's an excellent way of not helping things at all.
But Captain Sheridan led an alliance to Earth and dethroned Morgan Clark. He's set precedent. PRECEDENT!

But yeah, bullying is a real problem here, and everywhere. Especially with the current government.
So, you're saying that students SHOULDN'T be allowed to expel teachers/students because of their sexual orientation?

Peh, Marxist. :p
 

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CaptJohnSheridan said:
Should the international community be aggressive and come down hard on their nation?
Because that's worked so well on developing social changes in North Korea and Iran.

Anyway, there are a lot of people pissed about the gay marriage vote. They want to take it out on anyone they can find. They pass this hatred onto their kids and they take it out on their class mates. I've taught at Christian school were this was prevalent. I also taught at a State school with a low socioeconomic population which had a similar thing but against immigrants.

While this ideological inheritance was unintentional, its super effective. The parents targets can be attacked without actually doing the attacking
 

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CaptJohnSheridan said:
Should the international community be aggressive and come down hard on their nation?
Are you suggesting we should bully Australia in order to prevent more bullying?
 

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Saelune said:
Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
To be fair most of the world isn't pro-Bully, and most people understand bullies are just insecure babies looking to bring others down to their own low.
 

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MetalDooley said:
CaptJohnSheridan said:
Should the international community be aggressive and come down hard on their nation?
Are you suggesting we should bully Australia in order to prevent more bullying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlRHWGxGC6M

Worked with South Park.
 

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Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
To be fair most of the world isn't pro-Bully, and most people understand bullies are just insecure babies looking to bring others down to their own low.
At 'best', most people just don't care.
 

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Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
To be fair most of the world isn't pro-Bully, and most people understand bullies are just insecure babies looking to bring others down to their own low.
At 'best', most people just don't care.
You are incorrect. At 'best' people hold massive rallies, telethons, start foundations, name laws after kids who have killed themselves. Best means best, not just what you think is average.
 

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Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
To be fair most of the world isn't pro-Bully, and most people understand bullies are just insecure babies looking to bring others down to their own low.
At 'best', most people just don't care.
You are incorrect. At 'best' people hold massive rallies, telethons, start foundations, name laws after kids who have killed themselves. Best means best, not just what you think is average.
I believe that is called a 'vocal minority'.


6 or 7+ billion people in the world.
 

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Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
To be fair most of the world isn't pro-Bully, and most people understand bullies are just insecure babies looking to bring others down to their own low.
At 'best', most people just don't care.
You are incorrect. At 'best' people hold massive rallies, telethons, start foundations, name laws after kids who have killed themselves. Best means best, not just what you think is average.
I believe that is called a 'vocal minority'.


6 or 7+ billion people in the world.
Yeah and I bet if you were kicking and beating a screaming child in front of those 7 billion people, the overwhelming majority would at least ask why, if not openly trying to stop you. Most people are easy going, just trying to live their lives, and don't want any trouble or to see anyone hurt.
the vocal minority are the assholes like Trump. He didn't win the popular vote, and there is only like 4 of them.
 

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Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
To be fair most of the world isn't pro-Bully, and most people understand bullies are just insecure babies looking to bring others down to their own low.
At 'best', most people just don't care.
You are incorrect. At 'best' people hold massive rallies, telethons, start foundations, name laws after kids who have killed themselves. Best means best, not just what you think is average.
I believe that is called a 'vocal minority'.


6 or 7+ billion people in the world.
Yeah and I bet if you were kicking and beating a screaming child in front of those 7 billion people, the overwhelming majority would at least ask why, if not openly trying to stop you. Most people are easy going, just trying to live their lives, and don't want any trouble or to see anyone hurt.
the vocal minority are the assholes like Trump. He didn't win the popular vote, and there is only like 4 of them.
Yeah, I don't believe that.


And yes, most people do just want to live their life and avoid trouble. That's my point.
 

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Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Silentpony said:
Saelune said:
Bullying is prevalent in society, full stop.

Putin is a bully, Xi Jinping is a bully, Kim Jong-Un is a bully, Donald Trump is a bully, Erdogan is a bully.

We live in a world of bullies, a world that encourages people to hurt other people just because they can.
To be fair most of the world isn't pro-Bully, and most people understand bullies are just insecure babies looking to bring others down to their own low.
At 'best', most people just don't care.
You are incorrect. At 'best' people hold massive rallies, telethons, start foundations, name laws after kids who have killed themselves. Best means best, not just what you think is average.
I believe that is called a 'vocal minority'.


6 or 7+ billion people in the world.
Yeah and I bet if you were kicking and beating a screaming child in front of those 7 billion people, the overwhelming majority would at least ask why, if not openly trying to stop you. Most people are easy going, just trying to live their lives, and don't want any trouble or to see anyone hurt.
the vocal minority are the assholes like Trump. He didn't win the popular vote, and there is only like 4 of them.
Yeah, I don't believe that.


And yes, most people do just want to live their life and avoid trouble. That's my point.
You believe the majority of mankind would happily watch you beat a screaming child in front of them? Truly? You think when going about your day, the majority of people around you are straining at the leash not to beat people and would be happy to watch others get beaten?
 

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Silentpony said:
Yeah and I bet if you were kicking and beating a screaming child in front of those 7 billion people, the overwhelming majority would at least ask why, if not openly trying to stop you. Most people are easy going, just trying to live their lives, and don't want any trouble or to see anyone hurt.
the vocal minority are the assholes like Trump. He didn't win the popular vote, and there is only like 4 of them.
He didn't win the outright vote, no, but of the people who voted, he only got slightly less than half.

And, seconding Saelune, most people don't want any trouble, and so how much they'll stick their neck out to help someone else is limited. If the kid is being beaten in front of you, it's hard to turn a blind eye, sure, but if things are less blatant it gets quite easy.
 

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Silentpony said:
You believe the majority of mankind would happily watch you beat a screaming child in front of them? Truly? You think when going about your day, the majority of people around you are straining at the leash not to beat people and would be happy to watch others get beaten?
I'd shrug and keep going about my day. It's not my problem, and getting involved could have serious negative consequences for me. Not worth it.

I'm fairly certain that the overwhelming majority of people on the planet would have that same attitude. Some may be appalled, some titillated, but only a small percentage would choose to get involved. I base my thoughts there on the number of people who get involved when some loony is causing a ruckus in public, especially if they're causing harm to another person. Go look at footage of public assaults, the majority of people stay out of the way and don't get involved.
 

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Saelune said:
Thaluikhain said:
DarthCoercis said:
You guys really are serious, right? Oh boy... Like, no, you're all super duper wrong. If someone was beating a screaming, crying, wailing child in front of you, you do nothing? Just so you're all aware, that's not close to average and the majority of the world, regardless of skin color or language would step in.

This says a lot more about ya'll...


Do me a favor, go out and try it. See what happen. Get a kid, get a stick or a whip or whatever, go to a movie theater on Friday night, and start beating the kid mercilessly. See what happens. Bet me the majority don't just 'go with it'