There is no reason why they can't present it in a more tasteful fashion than objectifying women for the sake of selling it to men. If it is really not centred around that as people are saying.Dreiko said:
Why is Catherine getting such great reviews.
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For one this game isn't having just rave reviews, Gameinformer gave it a 7, Playstation magazine also gave it a similar score (Can't remember the exact score, so I might be wrong).
But truthfully, I think it's getting good reviews because it's something new, original and is pretty well executed. I haven't beat it yet, so my opinion is able to change in the next few hours of gameplay, but what I've played so far has interesting mechanics and a very good story.
I do have complaints, the game is stupid hard, especially the boss battles, but it does leave you feeling very satisfied after succeeding. Some of the cutscenes, specifically in the beginning, run to long. The story being good helps, but sometimes its nice to actually play the game.
I do have more nitpicky complaints, but I'll say this: If you want something new and interesting to play, get Cathrine.
But truthfully, I think it's getting good reviews because it's something new, original and is pretty well executed. I haven't beat it yet, so my opinion is able to change in the next few hours of gameplay, but what I've played so far has interesting mechanics and a very good story.
I do have complaints, the game is stupid hard, especially the boss battles, but it does leave you feeling very satisfied after succeeding. Some of the cutscenes, specifically in the beginning, run to long. The story being good helps, but sometimes its nice to actually play the game.
I do have more nitpicky complaints, but I'll say this: If you want something new and interesting to play, get Cathrine.
I was extremely close to buying Catherine yesterday, but I didn't, and I'm not sure why.xerounlimited said:
But upon reading that, I'm convinced. So either I just needed a bit of clarification of what I was getting into, or I'm the most easily convinced worm on the planet.
Either way, I'll be getting it later.
Yeah, let's just say I'm not entirely convinced by all the positive reviews out there for it. It is rather telling in the game's defense that Susan Arendt gave it a quite positive review, but with all I've heard about the game, I just can't get rid of this nagging feeling in the back of my head that a lot of the positive reaction is coming from people who were blinded by the boobies. I'll download the demo when I can, to see if this game really has this awesome gameplay everyone mentions to death (especially when it doesn't really look like anything new at all), but what with all the media behind it, it's gonna take a LOT of convincing to make me comfortable (even as a heterosexual male) buying this game.
You aren't going to play it? May I use spoilers in my explanation?xXxJessicaxXx said:
Catherine is sexualized and flirtatious for a reason. She is a succubus. It is her job to seduce Vincent. The game is about a man taking responsibility and control of his life...or running away from that depending on your choices. It isn't really sexist. The ending I got was one where he owned up to his mistakes and proposed to Katherine. It was a story of redemption and growing up. I have also got the ending on the opposite side of the spectrum. He decides to fuck society and gambles on getting together with Catherine. It gets quite humorous. Her dad (The king of the underworld tries to intervene and stop her. She tells him to shut up and kicks him in the groin.) Vincent becomes a demon himself and lives happily ever after with Catherine as the new king of the underworld. He has a harem of succubi and she still seduces mortal men. The two sides are called "Freedom and Order" instead of "Good" and "Evil" for a reason. I just don't see the sexism argument.
Visual presentation, however, is more difficult to cover up using this excuse.dancinginfernal said:
I know about Catherine's background shall we say it's been kind of hard to avoid being an internetite. However, there is no reason to make its tasteless and plaster half naked pictures of her everywhere. You can seduce a man without being a complete hussy. It's sexist becuase it objectifies women and panders to male gamers with sex appeal and two women fighting over them. The fact that there is straight men in this thread who say that it makes them uncomfortable should speak volumes.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Its clearly 'for men only' and that's what makes it sexist. Games like this are basically shoving the fact that developers don't care about the female demographic in our face. If you're male I don't think you can really feel how bad it is.
xXxJessicaxXx said:
But that is the point. He is a guy stuck in a rut. He has a go nowhere job and his relationship with his girlfriend is static. Katherine is pressuring him into marriage. Catherine appears as everything he wants. A carefree girl who doesn't care about commitment and is someone who is perfectly happy with Vincent having no ambition. She is everything that Katherine isn't. But Vincent still has doubts. So Catherine gives him that extra push by being overly sexual and engaging any sexual encounters that they have. She forces the issue. And Vincent just goes with the flow. His original problem.
You complain about about the outfit the girl wears when the most scantily clad character is the man. Vincent is pretty much running around in his underwear for all the gameplay moments and yet when it comes to outfits you don't mention this once.xXxJessicaxXx said:
Vincent isn't put everywhere in sexy, demeaning poses though is he. So that kind of negates your point.G-Force said:
I think you completely missed my point but okay. It was that they could have made and marketed this game and story without making it come off as a sexist japanese dating sim. Is what I'm trying to say.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
If your on the fence, try the demo. It should give you an idea on if you like it.PureAussieGamer said:
As for the reviews, games developed by Atlus tend to get good reviews, because theyre very solid games, though aimed at a niche market. Youll find the good reviews are coming from people who like those random Japanese niche games. So if you like Atlus's other work, you should give it a shot. If not, you probably wont like this one.
Remember that this game wasnt going to be released in english initially, since Atlus thought it wouldnt sell well enough. So the target market is quite small. Its more than likely its not the game for you. Im not saying you shouldnt play it, just dont feel left out if you dont enjoy it.
Disclaimer:I have not actually played the game yet, since its not out in Europe and PAL territories.
Oh, you were talking about the marketing. It was a bit excessive, but it did its job (generating buzz around the game). I've seen worse. I thought you were talking about how Catherine acts in game mostly. Sorry for the misunderstanding.xXxJessicaxXx said:
I've been playing it for the last couple of days and It deserves the high scores it's getting from reviewers. The puzzle part of the gameplay is actually pretty damn fun once you get the hang of it, and the story of the game is very good and engaging enough that you want to keep playing to see what happens next.
I haven't played it, and I'm not criticizing the game -- just explaining why I'm not going to drop $60 on this.
The story looks fascinating, but I'm not a big fan of platforming. I'm also not convinced that "weaving the narrative into gameplay" means "have QBert nightmares." It just seems sort of forced and unimaginative.
The story looks fascinating, but I'm not a big fan of platforming. I'm also not convinced that "weaving the narrative into gameplay" means "have QBert nightmares." It just seems sort of forced and unimaginative.
When they say that, they're referring to the text messaging system that affects Vincent's mood. It's not really a good/evil bar moreso about him being a faithful boyfriend that's ready to slowdown or a swinging bachelor. Throughout the game you can encounter patrons at the Stray Sheep (which is a bar) and rescue them from having similar nightmares and depending on your actions you will be getting one of the game's nine endings.BSCCollateral said:
As has been pointed out, they didn't do this until (I believe) the beginning of last year. But they do now. I used to talk up the Escapist to all my friends because they didn't give out scores, and I thought that was far and above the best way to review a game. Giving people meaningless numbers, which some ignore the review to skip completely to, bugs me. Another issue they recently had was they got a review "wrong", actual factual errors. This prompted them to give a score that they now see as incorrect. However Metacritic only takes original reviews and not 2nd looks. So now the escapist has a review (which it acknowledges is wrong) giving a score (which it acknowledges is too low) lowering said games metascore on Metacritic. And they can't take it back. Makes me wish they'd go back to numberless reviews.PureAussieGamer said:
On topic: I think this game is getting a lot of good scores for 2 reasons. First it's different. A lot of gaming here recently is "attack of the sequels" and seeing new interesting ideas is refreshing. Second I think the story is very well done and makes for an interesting play. And people just like that kind of stuff. Every opinion is different and you shouldn't be going just off reviews anyway, but I don't think it's been "unfairly" given good scores.