Why is everybody looking for Luke?(*spoilers*)

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mrdude2010 said:
The more ridiculous part is that Luke is treated as a myth, despite being a huge rebellion figure like 30 or 40 years ago. Did no one write anything down?
He's just one person. For context there's over 7 billion people on Earth, there are are hundreds of populated systems in the Star Wars galaxy.

Also, apart from blowing up the Death Star, a lot of his actions in the movie are out of the public eye. Him going to fight Darth Vader both times is a personal quest rather than an official mission from the Rebellion.

And remember, this is the galaxy that forgot that the Jedi, a peacekeeping force that's existed for thousands of years and fought in the last galaxy-wide conflict, were real within 15 years.
 

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Drathnoxis said:
EDIT: I mean, were any motivations actually given in the film by anyone?
Apart from everyone knowing his name, talking about the legends, the stories?

No. Not at all. There was absolutely no reason given why a struggling Dark Jedi would want to kill his old master, they never do that. I mean, they usually end up killing each other anyway, imagine what they'd want to do to their old Light Side master. There's absolutely no reason that the First Order would want to finish off Luke, the hero of the Rebellion, who destroyed the first death star, converted Vader, and caused the death of the Emperor. A man who is referenced as possibly being capable of bringing Ren back from the Dark Side. A man who can control minds, use telekinesis, and god knows what else after all this time. There is absolutely no reason why the Resistance could want the heir to the power of the Force on their side, why Leia might want her brother back, why Han might want his friend back.

There's plenty of motivation, explained and what you can infer. Hell, the audience wants Luke back just because they want to see what happened to the cast, what happened to the characters. It's our journey too. I'm guessing that's why they included him at the end, since that scene was pretty out of place otherwise, it would have made a better opening for the next one.

The movie works fine. We're plenty involved in the heroes plight. They're attractive, sympathetic, charismatic and they're going through a bunch of Star Wars references that border on excessive, in a plot that is a literal retread of A New Hope. Our two leads don't really care that much about the map or finding Luke. Finn wants to run away, Rey wants to go back to Jakku. This is LITERAL SPOKEN DIALOGUE. The Resistance cares about the map to Luke, but we don't see much of them, exactly the same as the Rebellion in the original, who we see for a moment at the start, and we're introduced to before the end. Maybe you don't like it. That's perfectly fine. Not everything's to everyone's taste. Maybe Star Wars isn't your taste. It was a serviceable film, competently made. The biggest thing you can level at it is how unimaginative and derivative it is. And hey, it totally is. It's just competent. It's not visionary, it's not imaginative, it's just a bigger version of that original film, because that's safe. And you know what? That original was a classic for a reason, and the formula still works. It just feels sad and pedantic how people are trying to pick at it. Oh no, Rey reaching out to the force, who could imagine that? She knocked down a darksider after connecting with the mystical energy field that binds all living things, unlike Luke, who destroyed a PLANET KILLING SUPERMOON. Oh no, how could someone so new to this take down Ren? It's not like Han and Chewie shot Darth Vader and sent him spinning off into space, a Sith far more powerful than Ren, one of the best pilots in the galaxy, who clearly outclasses Luke, who we are informed and shown, is an excellent pilot. Oh god, how could that happen, two beings without a spec of the Force? MARY SUES! HAN AND CHEWIE ARE MARY SUES. CONTRIVANCES, MARY SUES, EVERYWHERE!
 

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More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
 

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kenu12345 said:
More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
Probably the same way it works in real life, considering it's a real droid that they really built. Granted, it's remote-controlled, not AI driven, but that's about all that's left out.
 

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kenu12345 said:
More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
Well, considering we, in real life, have had the basics of spherical locomotion since at least the 1970s...



I don't think BB-8 is that big of a technical leap.
 

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He is a Jedi master, the last one in fact, seems like the right guy to find when the dark side users are back up to their old tricks. That and Rey needs to be trained by someone who is not a wanabee sith and Luke is the only one left who has that ability.
 

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It is because they are afraid that Luke might get into contact with the Force Ghost of Heath Ledger (God rest his soul) and they merge into Darth Joker. Then everyone is *seriously* screwed....
 

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Happyninja42 said:
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The term Sith is basically synonymous with "dark jedi". And honestly, we don't know what Snokes background is. He very well could be some surviving Sith apprentice from some other neck of the woods. Or whatever. *shrugs* We don't know at this point, and won't until Ep 8 at least.
Sith =\= dark jedi. Sith from this era adhere to the rule of two and for good reason. They have two goals with the first foremost important: destruction of the jedi. Second goal is domination over the galaxy. If you want to stick to just the movies " mace windu: there are always two, the master and the apprentice".

Stoke cant be plagueis because he is dead. And he can't be a sith because it is not allowed. One to wield the power and one to coven it. More then two leads to the downfall of the sith. It is why the rule has not been broken for a thousand years. Breaking it now would be stupid and illogical.

Dark jedi are jedi who fell to the dark side and are motivated by personal gain. There is a difference.
 

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iseko said:
Happyninja42 said:
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The term Sith is basically synonymous with "dark jedi". And honestly, we don't know what Snokes background is. He very well could be some surviving Sith apprentice from some other neck of the woods. Or whatever. *shrugs* We don't know at this point, and won't until Ep 8 at least.
Stoke cant be plagueis because he is dead. And he can't be a sith because it is not allowed. One to wield the power and one to coven it. More then two leads to the downfall of the sith. It is why the rule has not been broken for a thousand years. Breaking it now would be stupid and illogical.
Considering whats going on in Rebels, it seems at least plausible that Snoke is an Inquisitor, which would make him a valid heir when the Sith Lord and Apprentice fall. So he could very well be Sith (Though it's by no means certain).

It should also be noted that in neither the old nor new canon was the Rule of Two ever followed truly in spirit, at least not in the 'modern' era (Clone Wars and later).
 

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AccursedTheory said:
iseko said:
Happyninja42 said:
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The term Sith is basically synonymous with "dark jedi". And honestly, we don't know what Snokes background is. He very well could be some surviving Sith apprentice from some other neck of the woods. Or whatever. *shrugs* We don't know at this point, and won't until Ep 8 at least.
Stoke cant be plagueis because he is dead. And he can't be a sith because it is not allowed. One to wield the power and one to coven it. More then two leads to the downfall of the sith. It is why the rule has not been broken for a thousand years. Breaking it now would be stupid and illogical.
Considering whats going on in Rebels, it seems at least plausible that Snoke is an Inquisitor, which would make him a valid heir when the Sith Lord and Apprentice fall. So he could very well be Sith (Though it's by no means certain).

It should also be noted that in neither the old nor new canon was the Rule of Two ever followed truly in spirit, at least not in the 'modern' era (Clone Wars and later).
There's an annoyingly convincing theory that Snoke is Vader or something to that effect. He has the same markings on his face as Vader did without a mask, and it lines up with the damage to his helmet that Kylo has. I really hope it's not because it doesn't make any kind of narrative sense, but I can't figure out why they would do that.


Maybe it's Sidious' spirit inhabiting Vader's corpse? God knows.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
kenu12345 said:
More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
Well, considering we, in real life, have had the basics of spherical locomotion since at least the 1970s...



I don't think BB-8 is that big of a technical leap.
But its not the same thing. How does the head even stay on there and why is it so different from the other tech. From that universe it is a technology leap. I just want to know if this is ever explained >3> Don't take it so seriously. I am simply curious
 

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Kolby Jack said:
kenu12345 said:
More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
Probably the same way it works in real life, considering it's a real droid that they really built. Granted, it's remote-controlled, not AI driven, but that's about all that's left out.
Its also slower and doesn't work like it does in the movie. The movie one is like a ball with a small droid head on it
 

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Drathnoxis said:
Luke's been moping on some mountain for 20 years and hasn't shown any intention of returning, why is everybody expending thousands of troops in a mad pursuit for him?
Because Luke Skywalker, the last Jedi Knight, destroyer of the Death star and redeemer of of Darth Vader is essentially the figurehead of the New Republic.

Think about the resources used to find and capture Osama bin Laden in the real world, to The Empire Luke Skywalker is as if the 9/11 attacks had destroyed the entirety of New York, then he'd personally motivated Dick Cheney to assassinate George Bush.

As long as one Imperial loyalist remained, they would hunt Luke Skywalker. He's simply too valuable a figure to leave around or abandon to his fate. Quite aside from his powers being quite literally able to turn the tide of battles, that might be a factor too.
 

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kenu12345 said:
Kolby Jack said:
kenu12345 said:
More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
Probably the same way it works in real life, considering it's a real droid that they really built. Granted, it's remote-controlled, not AI driven, but that's about all that's left out.
Its also slower and doesn't work like it does in the movie. The movie one is like a ball with a small droid head on it
dude. sphero. loo it up, it does exactly the same stuff as the movie BB-8. they made the one for the movie. just smaller and non of the pop out stuff
 

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Hoplon said:
kenu12345 said:
Kolby Jack said:
kenu12345 said:
More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
Probably the same way it works in real life, considering it's a real droid that they really built. Granted, it's remote-controlled, not AI driven, but that's about all that's left out.
Its also slower and doesn't work like it does in the movie. The movie one is like a ball with a small droid head on it
dude. sphero. loo it up, it does exactly the same stuff as the movie BB-8. they made the one for the movie. just smaller and non of the pop out stuff
Well thats freaking neat .3.
 

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TheRightToArmBears said:
AccursedTheory said:
iseko said:
Happyninja42 said:
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The term Sith is basically synonymous with "dark jedi". And honestly, we don't know what Snokes background is. He very well could be some surviving Sith apprentice from some other neck of the woods. Or whatever. *shrugs* We don't know at this point, and won't until Ep 8 at least.
Stoke cant be plagueis because he is dead. And he can't be a sith because it is not allowed. One to wield the power and one to coven it. More then two leads to the downfall of the sith. It is why the rule has not been broken for a thousand years. Breaking it now would be stupid and illogical.
Considering whats going on in Rebels, it seems at least plausible that Snoke is an Inquisitor, which would make him a valid heir when the Sith Lord and Apprentice fall. So he could very well be Sith (Though it's by no means certain).

It should also be noted that in neither the old nor new canon was the Rule of Two ever followed truly in spirit, at least not in the 'modern' era (Clone Wars and later).

There's an annoyingly convincing theory that Snoke is Vader or something to that effect. He has the same markings on his face as Vader did without a mask, and it lines up with the damage to his helmet that Kylo has. I really hope it's not because it doesn't make any kind of narrative sense, but I can't figure out why they would do that.


Maybe it's Sidious' spirit inhabiting Vader's corpse? God knows.
I'm putting that in the 'suspected red herring' category. But who knows?

kenu12345 said:
AccursedTheory said:
kenu12345 said:
More important question is how does soccer ball droid even work and how did they even make that leap in technology. I haven't actually seen the film >3> I am just curious
Well, considering we, in real life, have had the basics of spherical locomotion since at least the 1970s...


I don't think BB-8 is that big of a technical leap.
But its not the same thing. How does the head even stay on there and why is it so different from the other tech. From that universe it is a technology leap. I just want to know if this is ever explained >3> Don't take it so seriously. I am simply curious
I think Colonel Jack Oneal can explain this best.



Also, if anyone's interested.

 

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In the Expanded Universe, he was the guy who killed Palpatine and stopped the Empire, no matter how much he tried to credit his pops for that. He's someone to turn to for rescue in the minds of those searching for him, and also a Brother and Bestie where Leia and Han were concerned. It probably doesn't hurt that he's the Uncle and former teacher of the current bad guy who's going publicly playing the Darth Vader role for the bad guys who fly Tie Fighters and dress in white and black.