Psst, that's why you don't play bethesda/obsidian games on the PS3.striderkiwi said:
I loved Fallout 3! But, the gameplay of New Vegas just ruined Fallout 3 for me.
Why is everyone so down on Fallout 3?
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I loved Fallout 3! But, the gameplay of New Vegas just ruined Fallout 3 for me.
Long time fans hate it mostly because its not isometric. You can ignore them though since there ideas of game design have not evolved in over a decade and thus they are the old men of the games world (at least for this).
Never having played Fallout 1 or 2, I came into Fallout 3 as a big fan of Bethesda, hoping that it would be similar - in ways - to Morrowind or Oblivion.
What makes Elder Scrolls games special to me are the open worlds they contain, and the desire to explore and see this wonderful place. In Fallout, I didn't like the setting, and that really killed the game for me. I pretty much went "Okay, so it's desolate wasteland and mutant infested sewers. Why don't I just stay in Megaton?" There was no interesting plot, no memorable characters, and nothing particularly great to get me hooked. I never finished the game, barely making it to the Brotherhood of Steel.
I've heard that Fallout: New Vegas is great in all the ways that I thought Fallout 3 failed, but I never really had the chance to play it, and the original game did a very good job of putting me off Obsidian's sequel for a long while. Not to mention KotOR 2...
What makes Elder Scrolls games special to me are the open worlds they contain, and the desire to explore and see this wonderful place. In Fallout, I didn't like the setting, and that really killed the game for me. I pretty much went "Okay, so it's desolate wasteland and mutant infested sewers. Why don't I just stay in Megaton?" There was no interesting plot, no memorable characters, and nothing particularly great to get me hooked. I never finished the game, barely making it to the Brotherhood of Steel.
I've heard that Fallout: New Vegas is great in all the ways that I thought Fallout 3 failed, but I never really had the chance to play it, and the original game did a very good job of putting me off Obsidian's sequel for a long while. Not to mention KotOR 2...
Was that seriously an incredibly-misguided pun of Todd Howard's name? Like seriously? We do that here?bussinroundz said:
I agree with the OP.
It certainly seems to me that a lot of people outright hate this game and there are few people who at least ?like? both F3 and F3NV (a disproportionate amount seem to love one and hate the other.) It could just be in my head but this doesn?t happen to other favourites. A lot of flak seems to come from people who were mad on the first two (of which I haven?t played.) I?m surprised such a rabid fanbase and desire for consistency from a game released over ten years ago even exists but, hell, shows what I know.
Although Fallout 3 is in my top 10 there are indeed serious problems with the game.
1) Its too easy
Even if you?re not stealing everything in sight it?s very easy to find yourself with tens of thousands of caps, several hundred healing items, and enough stashed replacement weapons to keep you good for several times over what you?d need to finish the game. Not to mentioned the level cap is quickly reached (even with BoS) and most of the perks are rather OP or UP. I use the G.E.C.K. modding software to address all of these but I totally respect anyone who?ll seriously mark down the game because of these problems (esp ? console players.)
2) Its buggy as hell
I don?t know if the console players have this to complain about as well as (1), but Fallout 3 really put me through a lot of grief to get the bastard to work properly (if at all.) Unpredictable stuff and graphical anomalies are common and the game does stutter. Not even Black & White was this much of pain.
Other complaints I don?t give much respect to. Story and character are both solid, I?m prepared to forgive the tone given the sense of humour, some parts are unbalanced but never break the game, and although the DLC was a mixed bag, two of them in particular I?d consider exceptionally good by standards of both FPS and RPG.
I *adore* the Capital Wasteland. Pick a direction. Walk. Find adventure. Repeat. That feeling of death, emptiness, misery, improvisation, freedom, ridiculousness ? that?s magic for me. But I wonder if it?s because I?m some sort of wannabe composite of bad-ass lone explorer and a travelling salesman come scavenger. Okay. It?s not for everyone.
It certainly seems to me that a lot of people outright hate this game and there are few people who at least ?like? both F3 and F3NV (a disproportionate amount seem to love one and hate the other.) It could just be in my head but this doesn?t happen to other favourites. A lot of flak seems to come from people who were mad on the first two (of which I haven?t played.) I?m surprised such a rabid fanbase and desire for consistency from a game released over ten years ago even exists but, hell, shows what I know.
Although Fallout 3 is in my top 10 there are indeed serious problems with the game.
1) Its too easy
Even if you?re not stealing everything in sight it?s very easy to find yourself with tens of thousands of caps, several hundred healing items, and enough stashed replacement weapons to keep you good for several times over what you?d need to finish the game. Not to mentioned the level cap is quickly reached (even with BoS) and most of the perks are rather OP or UP. I use the G.E.C.K. modding software to address all of these but I totally respect anyone who?ll seriously mark down the game because of these problems (esp ? console players.)
2) Its buggy as hell
I don?t know if the console players have this to complain about as well as (1), but Fallout 3 really put me through a lot of grief to get the bastard to work properly (if at all.) Unpredictable stuff and graphical anomalies are common and the game does stutter. Not even Black & White was this much of pain.
Other complaints I don?t give much respect to. Story and character are both solid, I?m prepared to forgive the tone given the sense of humour, some parts are unbalanced but never break the game, and although the DLC was a mixed bag, two of them in particular I?d consider exceptionally good by standards of both FPS and RPG.
I *adore* the Capital Wasteland. Pick a direction. Walk. Find adventure. Repeat. That feeling of death, emptiness, misery, improvisation, freedom, ridiculousness ? that?s magic for me. But I wonder if it?s because I?m some sort of wannabe composite of bad-ass lone explorer and a travelling salesman come scavenger. Okay. It?s not for everyone.
It's an open world game. I can name 5 games that are just as buggy. Heck, New Vegas is just as bad.darkfox85 said:
Don't see the big deal with the sights, crafting is a bore(And I play Atelier games), the menus are basicly copy pasted, and the factions..., just give me a big meh. Just adds another layer to the quest line. "Go here, do something" is the normal route but now it's "Go here, please these people, then do somethng". Course you can just murder them.Lederin said:Maybe mechanics isn't the right word....I mean like the fact New Vegas gave you Iron Sights (finally!) crafting, more balanced menus and factions. I think if 3 had had that it would've been even better, hope that clears that up
And while I'm on the subject of murder, so what if you couldn't kill kids?!? Do you know the amount of media that would jump down their throats if they tried sneaking in that? Heck, Australia Fallout 3 from what I heard had to lose some of the drugs. Can you just picture trying to sneak a game that had kid killing in?
Yeah, I'm going with "Bethesda can't write". Well, they can, but dialogue seems to be a problem (I typically enjoyed what I found on the computers and in the books of The Elder Scrolls games I've played). You know what I want to know? Why so many people insistently think New Vegas should have been an expansion pack. According to them it's not it's "own game". By that logic, neither are classics like Mega Man 2 or Majora's Mask, but whatever...
I really liked Fallout 3. Hell, I like it even more than New Vegas. New Vegas definetly had great writing but the plot didn't feel that immersive for me. I never really felt the urge to follow the main plot as much as I did for Fallout 3. Also, Fallout 3 had a much better world than New Vegas. The world in Fallout 3 looked and felt like an actual post-nuclear apocalypse, where everyone is barely trying to survive and you can see the ruined remains of humanity from before the war. The world in New Vegas felt way too orderly and clean to be a post-nuclear apocalypse. While it made sense in game why everything wasn't destoryed, it just wasn't what I expected from a game about a post-nuclear apocalypse.
People were down on Fallout?
Fallout 3 was great, no major, wide spread, game breaking bugs, no backwards flying dragons... The game was fantastic.
I was such an evil jerk on Fallout 3!
Fallout 3 was great, no major, wide spread, game breaking bugs, no backwards flying dragons... The game was fantastic.
I was such an evil jerk on Fallout 3!
I was obsessed with F1 and 2. Obsessed.Nokiro said:
I played through each of those games dozens and dozens of times, i created every possible character in each, pacifists, slavers, psychotics, diplomats, merchants, ninjas, fucking everything.
I have seen, robbed, befriended, murdered or fucked every single NPC in both of those games one hundred different ways apiece.
Fallout 3 was a fucking magnificent game. Its sole failing was that about 30 hours in, you're really just running around collecting ammo.
That and the (original) end was kind of a But Thou Must forced messianic sacrifice, but screw it, the rest of the game was fucking splendid.
To repeat:
I was obsessed with Fallout 1 and 2.
I thought Fallout 3 was fucking splendid.