Why is marijuana illegal?

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nklshaz

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evilartist said:
nklshaz said:
The fact that it directly kills brain cells is the main reason. And legalizing it would increase the risk of people driving while hallucinating. While the effects may not be perceived as being "as bad" as cigarettes or alcohol, it still is bad for you, and we're probably better off without it.
Then why not ban alcohol and cigarettes, too? They're far more dangerous to the people that live around the smoker/drinker (i.e. drunk driving, physical abuse, secondhand smoke, etc.); the worse marijuana ever does to adults is make them lazy and unmotivated. The worst it could do to a child (secondhand) is perhaps impede brain development...but then I would question that parent's abilities to even be responsible for another human life. Marijuana is a drug that really only affects the consumer; laws against habits that don't hurt anyone outside of the "habit-doer" are stupid and unnecessary.

And then there's the lobbyists who keep spreading the bad rep about weed; I can't stand corporate lobbyism in general. I think it undermines a politician's integrity and common sense; it forces them down roads of moral extremism. This practice is easy to abuse by the greedy, and I feel it's poisoning Humanity's advancement in numerous scientific fields. Lobbyism should be banned, and any violators should be charged with treason (it isn't that extreme a punishment, when you consider the ethics).

Politicians should be forced to stick to a tight campaign budget, and not waste it on stupid-ass smear campaigns and propaganda on what should be moot topics.
I'm not saying that cigarettes and are good, but the American economy would completely be shot to hell if they banned cigarettes and alcohol. (Which is sad. I think we'd be better off without it) And yes while marijuana only affects the user most of the time, someone hallucinating from the effects of marijuana is driving, then that is a potentially dangerous situation. I'm all for freedom of choice, but I guess what I'm not understanding is why people want it so bad. I understand that hemp is useful and economical, but I just don't understand why people want to smoke it. It seems like I'd be sacrificing a lot of my self control while under it's effects for a hallucination I probably won't even remember. I'd like to understand both sides of this argument, so could you please explain to me why people want it so bad.
 

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AdeptaSororitas said:
evilartist said:
nklshaz said:
The fact that it directly kills brain cells is the main reason. And legalizing it would increase the risk of people driving while hallucinating. While the effects may not be perceived as being "as bad" as cigarettes or alcohol, it still is bad for you, and we're probably better off without it.
Then why not ban alcohol and cigarettes, too?
We tried that. The prohibition led to massively increased crime rates, where as legalizing Mary Jane would lead to, in theory mind you, an increased influx of Mexican crime violence, which is a primary source of marijuana.
^ I think that belief holds some water. I dont think legalizing weed will decrease violence attached to it. I think people will just end up smoking cheap mexican weed and support the cartels.
 

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Just because something isn't as BAD for you as other things (Marijuana vs Alcohol) doesn't mean that everything 'better' than that one bad thing (Alcohol) should be made legal.

Besides, there isn't any GOOD reason for it to be legalized. Crime goes down? Well fuck, just make murder legal and crime practically vanishes.

Gains revenue? Not enough to make a difference, and you'll just end up in the hospital at some point with a horrible, extremely expensive condition to treat.

Has medical purposes? Medical marijuana is already legal. ARGUMENT INVALID.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
Just because something isn't as BAD for you as other things (Marijuana vs Alcohol) doesn't mean that everything 'better' than that one bad thing (Alcohol) should be made legal.

Besides, there isn't any GOOD reason for it to be legalized. Crime goes down? Well fuck, just make murder legal and crime practically vanishes.

Gains revenue? Not enough to make a difference, and you'll just end up in the hospital at some point with a horrible, extremely expensive condition to treat.

Has medical purposes? Medical marijuana is already legal. ARGUMENT INVALID.
This, %100 this!

There was a Cracked article on it, but I can't seem to find it..
 

The Virgo

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Because the government can't find a way to tax it. If we could tax weed, trust me, we'd sell that shit everywhere. Same thing with prostitution. If Uncle Same could find a way to tax pussy, it would be legal.

However, we found a way to tax cigarettes, which kill you, and beer, which has been the cause of more deaths per year due to drunk driving, domestic violence, etc. than weed ever has.
 

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I wish I remember the name of a show that told the history of marijuana... Anyways, someone made commercials showing that weed made people aggressive. (irony) And test showed that weed kill brain cells because stupid scientist would suffocate primates in the process of the test.
The Virgo said:
Because the government can't find a way to tax it. If we could tax weed, trust me, we'd sell that shit everywhere. Same thing with prostitution. If Uncle Same could find a way to tax pussy, it would be legal.

However, we found a way to tax cigarettes, which kill you, and beer, which has been the cause of more deaths per year due to drunk driving, domestic violence, etc. than weed ever has.

Where is your logic coming from? How does it make sense to be able to tax cigarettes but not weed..
 

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prolefeedprocessor said:
nklshaz said:
The fact that it directly kills brain cells is the main reason. And legalizing it would increase the risk of people driving while hallucinating.
The first thing you cite is a falsehood based on a fatally flawed study in which primates were starved of oxygen and allowed ONLY to breathe marijuana, thus killing their brain cells. Smoking marijuana does not kill your brain cells. Nor does it cause you to hallucinate. Although I do agree that one should not drive while high.
Thank you for the information on the flawed study. I was not aware of it. And while that new information was interesting, I still think it's a bad habit. The time people spend smoking it could be spent on a hobby, work, etc. And frankly, I know some people who talk about legalizing marijuana, and most of them are incredibly irresponsible, even while not under it's influence. If those people I mentioned were actually able to buy marijuana as they please, that would be a terrifying scenario. I'm not saying that all people that smoke marijuana are irresponsible, I'm just saying that certain people should definitely should not be able to use it. I can just imagine a taxi driver at some point buying some. (It probably already happens a lot) I'd like to understand both sides of this argument, so could you please explain to me why people want it so bad? I can understand why you'd want to make things out of hemp. It's durable and cheap. But why would people pay so much for a drug that causes a hallucination that they probably won't even be able to remember? (I like to think that I'm an open-minded person, but I'm just having trouble understanding why people want it. Maybe it's just because I've never tried it myself, but I just don't understand.) I also think that people should stay away from from cigarettes and excessive amounts of alcohol, but given the shitty state of the American economy, it's probably impossible to get them banned.
 

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WolffgangVW said:
Drug arguments are so depressing...

Pro-drug will submit a frustrated question, wondering why they're being discriminated against.

Anti-drug will attack with generalisations, cliches, and outright lies.

Pro-drug will retaliate with scientific studies, and a well though-out moderate stance.

*Anti-drug wins!*

*Pro-drug scratches head*
nice generalisation, cliche and outright lie
 

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CM156 said:
I like that. I have no idea why people throw that argument around. Like people are supposed to be somehow impressed about it being less dangerous. That doesn't make it safe. Actually that argument makes me think more things should be illegal.

California is finding out one reality of it even being medically legal. They are having problems with charging people that are driving under the influence of pot and killing people. They cannot put a legal limit on the amount of it in your blood simply because it stays in your blood for so long. There isn't a test that can say when you smoked it.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-pot-drivers-20110703,0,5540871,full.story

No one can think of and cover all the effects legalizing it will have on society. We already know what we have to deal with now, you cannot convince me that making it legal is going to make things better by any stretch of the imagination, it will just be a different set of problems.
 

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Because it is bad for you. Yeah, we could make it legal, then in 20 years when people realize it is horrible for you, we won't be able to make it illegal. Look at the prohibition. Making something that is popular illegal is impossible. Hence, keeping it illegal is the best option. Since when does having something illegal stop people doing it anyway.>.>
 

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If one were to grow it responsibly (or buy it from someone who grows it responsibly) and consumes it responsibly, I really don't see the harm in it being legalized. Short-term changes may be for better or for worse, but the country would adjust to it soon enough.
 

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Wait, what? Pot is not bad for you unless you smoke it. Yes, you are definitely not as smart as you would be while high, but the effect only lasts while you're high. There are no long-term side effects.
banksy122 said:
Yeah, we could make it legal, then in 20 years when people realize it is horrible for you, we won't be able to make it illegal.
Actually the exact opposite has happened.
 

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I really hate to see all the misinformation in this thread marijuana doesn't kill brain cells that was a based on a study where monkeys were subjected to the equivalent of 53 joints with no oxygen breaks generally you need to breath oxygen or brain cells die. also it doesn't make you hallucinate
 

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people are probably paranoid it melts your brains or something.
It burns approximately seven times hotter than cigarettes.

Whether not it melts your brain doesn't stop it from melting your lungs. Breathing in super-heated ash isn't exactly good for your body.
 

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alik44 said:
its illegal yet cigarettes and alcohol kill alot more than marijuana does.
Cigarettes and alcohol also kill a lot more people than babies riding motor vehicles. Should we legalize THAT too? Yeah, just because something kills less than alcohol and cigarettes doesn't mean we should legalize them.
 

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USSR said:
Kopikatsu said:
Just because something isn't as BAD for you as other things (Marijuana vs Alcohol) doesn't mean that everything 'better' than that one bad thing (Alcohol) should be made legal.

Besides, there isn't any GOOD reason for it to be legalized. Crime goes down? Well fuck, just make murder legal and crime practically vanishes.

Gains revenue? Not enough to make a difference, and you'll just end up in the hospital at some point with a horrible, extremely expensive condition to treat.

Has medical purposes? Medical marijuana is already legal. ARGUMENT INVALID.
This, %100 this!

There was a Cracked article on it, but I can't seem to find it..
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/

Here you go :).
 

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i think the only reason it isn't legal now is because first and mainly, it will always have a bad rap with old people and parents which makes up the majority of the US. but also, what would happen when we make it legal? same thing that happened with alcohol when it was relegalized. the mafia! because criminals are the only people that have their hands on the stuff, and if they have to compete with retailers they will unionize. thats dangerous, and while it might only be temporary, it might not be worth the risk. the problem i have with it being legalized is that people will drive high, and thats where most marijuana related deaths occur. if only people could use proper judgment.

but honestly, i think they should make it legal. it will give stoners the chance to finally just shut the fuck up and keep to themselves.
 

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Webb5432 said:
A less dangerous drug like weed would sell much, much more than tobacco and alcohol would.
Are you suggesting that the only reason people use tobacco or alcohol is because there aren't any safer alternatives available? I highly doubt that...
 

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alik44 said:
its illegal yet cigarettes and alcohol kill alot more than marijuana does.
No offense but to you understand how dumb of a point this is?
It will kill less people than other drugs but you admit it will kill people.
This is like saying that we should give 12 year olds guns because it will kill less people than drunk driving so it'll kill less people legalize it!