Why is Prostitution Illegal?

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Dags90

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tehroc said:
Because it's impossible to enforce taxation.
That's absurd, it's the same terrible argument sometimes used against legalizing marijuana. It's just as invalid here as it is there. Brothels would require business licenses, prostitutes would be able to file as such legally for income tax. That it doesn't require any business style licensing (because it's illegal) is the reason it's hard to tax.
 

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Dags90 said:
All it would mean was that those girls wouldn't have any legal backing as what they were being forced to do was legal.
What? Being kept against one's will is illegal in and of itself, sex under duress (such as the imminent threat of violence) is rape in and of itself. Human trafficking is illegal in and of itself. if[/I] she says anything. Just because you legalise the industry, Doesnt mean the problem goes away.
Dags90 said:
You cant ignore Nimby's, within reason. You speak to anyone - they wouldnt want curb crawling or a brothel on their doorstep, Even a legal one.
The thread is about the legality of prostitution, not its viability as a business enterprise.
All I've seen so far is appeal to emotion.
Its not a question about it's viability - What would be the point in legalisation if there is nowhere to practice?

Sure, Im not going to lie and say its all on facts & stats - a big part is based on emotion. If this was an arguement about Piracy, Or computer programs, Fair enough - But this is about Prostitution - Which is a human[/I] industry.
 

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The human body is supposed to be sacred..
Says who? Why is a human body sacred yet pig bodies are not? Both are bodies of mammals and are of comparable flesh types.
Human elitism is annoying. We think just because we can think we are so much better than any other creature. Do chickens nuke each and wage wars that cost millions of lives? Do chickens come home after a hard night of drinking and beat their hen? Chickens are good people, human's aren't good people (there are a few exceptions, but most people are evil by default).

Insanum said:
Prohibition, however is alcohol. A few major differences:

1.Alcohol isnt a primal desire, Whilst Sex is.
2.Supply. You need to make[/I] alcohol.
3. Pimps wouldn't be "out of work" - See my 2nd example. All it would mean was that those girls wouldn't have any legal backing as what they were being forced to do was legal.
4. You cant ignore Nimby's, within reason. You speak to anyone[/I] - they wouldnt want curb crawling or a brothel on their doorstep, Even a legal one.

You can say its up to everyone to decide what is moral, but just look at what the industry is. Look at the distress it causes. Look at the people involved. And you think that legalising all that is right?[/I]

(that wasnt meant as an insult, But you understand the point im making)

I'm partial to mental chess, So to speak.
There are more alcohol addicts than sex addicts.
You need a supply of women to be a pimp, and women have to be created and raised (which takes longer than it does to make alcohol).

The pimps would have quite a few less customers. People tend to only do illegal things if there is no legal alternative. Make it legal,and most will do it legally. Pimps will be forced to lower prices to compete, which will drive them into bankruptcy since their other habits aren't cheap and they will for the most part be eliminated.
I personally can ignore NIMBY's, they are just people after all. If a businessman wants to build a brothel, he will. If the locals resist, he just has to shell out a few bucks and the NIMBY's shut up.

I do understand your point, but most problems can be resolved in a short amount of time. Once it is legal, most problems will be eliminated. And don't worry about insulting me, I don't get offended.

Mental chess is quite fun.
 

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demoman_chaos said:
I have never fully understood this. As the late (and great) George Carlin said, "Selling is legal, fucking is legal. Why is it illegal to sell fucking?" "Why is it illegal to sell what is perfectly legal to give away?"


Sex is legal when its free, but illegal when you pay for it. It doesn't make sense to me.
Here is my proposed solution. You have to have a license to be a prostitute, which requires a weekly STD test. Fail the test, lose your license.

Any ideas why prostitution is illegal and any idea ideas on how it would work if it was legal (like the above mention license)?

There are social concerns to think of. There is more to it than disease, crime, and other things. To put it bluntly, do you want a cathouse in your neighborhood? Do you want hookers walking down your sidewalks selling their "wares"?

The point being that you don't want your kids exposed to it, and chances are even if your not opposed to the idea you really don't want to be exposed to it constantly either.

Then of course there is the whole issue of when prostitution is public you've all of a sudden got the issue of johns congregating in the places where the hookers do. People who are buying sex are in a general sense going to be among society's lower demographics. In simple terms this means your dealing with a scum magnet. If you have a cathouse in your region you also have the people that frequent such establishments flocking to your region.

Then there are of course legal issues involved in what amounts to selling humans as a service based commodity. Oh sure, you might not have a situation where you have pimps beating up hookers for holding out on them, but it's going to be replaced by this kind of thing mucking up the legal system. What's more when dealing with something private like this, how does one go about proving whether or not services were rendered, or if the service was satisfactory? Especially when you get into people who are paying for sex because of various kinks.

The bottom line is that it's a giant burden on society, and will involve the goverment being forced to make rulings on things that the goverment should be staying away from on general principle. You can't regulate hookers without regulating sex, laws have to be general and apply equally to everyone. This can amount to a lot of stuff intended to govern the sex trade inevitably coming up in other aspects of law, especially if say your dealing with a divorce case based on infidelity or whatever.

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Right now I think the US has a good compromise. That is that we have a national red light district called "Nevada" where prostitution is legal, with it being banned everywhere else. One of the reasons why I am a big supporter of states rights is that it allows things like this to occur where one state can pass laws to be an exception, without having to bring the issues up before the whole.

I worked for two of the three biggest casinos in the world (Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun) at various times. A lot of personell were hired from Vegas, and I got to talk to a number of them. To say that some of the laws involved in Las Vegas are dubious due to gambling and prostitution would be an understatement. I'm no expert, but going by some of the stories
I've heard I would not want to see some of that enforcement where I live. The way we have things set up is we have one special area put aside for this with special state laws and rules. Greyhound advertises (or used to) that they can get you anyplace in the US for $70
or less. IMO if you *really* want to pay for sex it's not all that difficult for people to head down to Vegas for a weekend specifically for that.

George Carlin is a comedian, you have to take his comments with a grain of salt. To my knowlege he has never engaged in a serious analysis of the subject.

Oh yes and one other thing, most people talking about legalizing prostitution, oftentimes try and justify doing it by talking about requiring periodic liscencing for health and such. Setting up any kind of administration to do that is going to take a lot of money, and that is going to mean higher taxes just to process all that paperwork, especially if your going to require hookers to get re-examined and liscenced often enough for it to be a factor. A lot of people seem to think that the goverment is monolithic and can simply decide to do anything, and make it happen. While there is some truth to that, the general populance has to burden the cost.

If your a young, single guy, I can see the appeal of being able to pay for instant gratification, especially if your not socially apt to begin with. However as you get older, the urgency goes out of a lot of it, and your perspective actually does change. The idea becomes substantially less appealing because you neither want to pay more taxes out of your paycheck, or want to deal with the other associated crud that goes with it. Heck, simply hiring more police to deal with the resulting increase in crime (due to arguements about payment and the like) is going to be a big bill for the goverment to pay. Consider that with legal prostitution the police effectively become pimps... or at least enforcers, since now the guys running prostitution can't just have Mongo bust legs if there is a problem, they have to handle things legally which is time consuming, and expensive for society.
 

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This type of thread has been done to death.

The easiest way for me to say is that there would be no easy way to monitor the health of the prostitutes. Health can mean either STDS or the flu.
It just wouldn't be a good idea.

Insanum said:
The last thing you want is to look out of your window and see a prostitute. You also dont want your area crawling with curb crawlers.

Imagine if Your girlfriend (or you if you're female) was walking home at night, And a car pulled up and asked if she was looking for business. Thats not very nice for one, And its also threatening, as this man may not take no for an answer.
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Plus this. As a woman, if I'm walking down the street and a guy rolls his window down thinking he's getting a prostitute, he may turn violent when I say NO.

There's just waaayy too many factors to consider. I wrote a longer post in one of the other threads about this, but it's 11pm and I have class tomorrow. :p
 

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Insanum said:
Its not a question about it's viability - What would be the point in legalisation if there is nowhere to practice?

Sure, Im not going to lie and say its all on facts & stats - a big part is based on emotion. If this was an arguement about Piracy, Or computer programs, Fair enough - But this is about Prostitution - Which is a human[/I] industry.
All industries are human industry. Are the horrors of most coal miners not a human industry?

You really seem to have a biased view of prostitution and sex trafficking. For one, you keep insisting that pimps are men. While this is a popular conception in many Western countries, a large portion brothels are run by women. They are known as "madams".

Everyone always takes these threads off base, arguing regulatory concerns rather than analyzing the law itself. There are several places where prostitution is legal and society still functions. Women aren't attacked on the street any more often and are entitled to benefits that other "legit" workers get.
 

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demoman_chaos said:
Any ideas why prostitution is illegal and any idea ideas on how it would work if it was legal (like the above mention license)?
Actually, if you look at countries that don't make it illegal, or brush it under the rug, then you notice a interesting fact:
Prostitutes in these regions are, in general, healthier as they have regular STD and drug tests while also making sure safe sex is a mandatory thing with their customers. They are safer as they are not walking the streets, this means they have no 'pimp' that will beat them over money and can go to the police when they are raped/abused. They are also paid a fair rate, cause not only is the 'pimp' not stealing from them but governmental and union groups can make sure there are fair regulations.

Most of all they are WILLING!

You see, when you make it illegal then the vast majority if people who profit from it are... criminals. These criminals don't have a damn if they force people to become whores so they can make a huge amount of money. They will take anyone, even children, get them addicted to drug to make them easy to control and then set them out on the street without a care if they live or die. If you make it legal though... well, they may still be trying but with a legitimate market most customers will go elsewhere then drugged out corner walkers.
 

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D Bones said:
You nailed part of it with STD's. I guess "sex addiction" (although, I think that's bologna. everyone with a penis is a sex addict).

The danger of young girls falling into a cycle of prostitution before they are mature enough to make such decisions, parents prostituting their kids for money, rape, drugs go hand in hand with prostitutes, underage women and men having sex - which also can lead to kiddie porn.

Dude, there are lots of reasons.
True. But theres always a risk of underaged anything anyway. Underaged drinking, smoking etc. But the part about the kiddie porn etc, it's illegal anyway, so even if over aged prostitution was still legal, that, I'm assuming would be illegal then as well.

Meh, it's a confusing world :p
 

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I'll end this with the truth behind why prostitution is illegal: because the Abrahamic (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) religions say it should be.
 

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Jinx_Dragon said:
Actually, if you look at countries that don't make it illegal, or brush it under the rug, then you notice a interesting fact:
Prostitutes in these regions are, in general, healthier as they have regular STD and drug tests while also making sure safe sex is a mandatory thing with their customers. They are safer as they are not walking the streets, this means they have no 'pimp' that will beat them over money and can go to the police when they are raped/abused. They are also paid a fair rate, cause not only is the 'pimp' not stealing from them but governmental and union groups can make sure there are fair regulations.

Most of all they are WILLING!

You see, when you make it illegal then the vast majority if people who profit from it are... criminals. These criminals don't have a damn if they force people to become whores so they can make a huge amount of money. They will take woman, get them addicted to drug to make them easy to control, and then set them out on the street and not care if they live or die. If you make it legal though... well, they may still be trying but with a legitimate market most customers will go elsewhere then drugged out corner walkers.
Exactly my point. If regulated, a lot of the problems with the current system would vanish. It is only illegal due to religious morals forced onto the people that fail to realize all people have their own sense of what is right and wrong. Morals are just like one's self-esteem, it is up to you to decide how you feel and you should let other people control it. Prostitution itself is not immoral to me, but that doesn't mean I' partake in it. Just like with abortion, if you don't like it don't do it (abortion is a subject for another time though so don't discuss it in detail here please).
 

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Dags90 said:
Insanum said:
Its not a question about it's viability - What would be the point in legalisation if there is nowhere to practice?

Sure, Im not going to lie and say its all on facts & stats - a big part is based on emotion. If this was an arguement about Piracy, Or computer programs, Fair enough - But this is about Prostitution - Which is a human[/I] industry.
All industries are human industry. Are the horrors of most coal miners not a human industry?

You really seem to have a biased view of prostitution and sex trafficking. For one, you keep insisting that pimps are men. While this is a popular conception in many Western countries, a large portion brothels are run by women. They are known as "madams".

Everyone always takes these threads off base, arguing regulatory concerns rather than analyzing the law itself.
Im using the general gender sides, But there are "pimps" in either sex. I may have a "Biased View" as you call it, but i have seen the other side, The side that a lot of people havent thought of, or even knew existed. I would quote exact figures as to the people that get out of the industry, But as i cant recall exact numbers, i can only speculate.

If my memory serves me correctly, its somewhere in the region of 1:750.

Mining is a Production industry, Which although it is hard (and often very dangerous work), Is different to this industry.
 

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I think one reason why is. not everyone who is a prostitute is so by choice thiers a large market for human trafficking and some girls (as young as thier low teens get kidnapped) and forced to do it while thier pimp/captor rakes in all or the large majority of the money from what they put thier victims through
 

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It's largely a cash-in-hand business, and you can't tax cash-in-hand. If the government could tax it, they'd legalize it.
 

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008Zulu said:
It's largely a cash-in-hand business, and you can't tax cash-in-hand. If the government could tax it, they'd legalize it.
Busking is legal (though heavily regulated). Don't see many of those guys taking checks or charge cards.
 

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008Zulu said:
It's largely a cash-in-hand business, and you can't tax cash-in-hand. If the government could tax it, they'd legalize it.
Ever heard of a brothel? Basically a hotel, but instead of paying for a room to sleep in or stay a few days in, you pay for an hour or so with a prostitute. Those can be more easily regulated. If legalized, brothels would quickly replace street work and would be easy to tax.
 

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It was banned many years ago by the Church...and in the States (I'm assuming this is where you are meaning), it's because politics and religion are heavily integrated.