Why is Rush Considered Progressive Rock?

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RedRockRun

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This is something I've been wondering for years. When I think of prog rock, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, and Pink Floyd come to mind. I think of bands which incorporate instruments which are non-standard to what would normally be considered rock - particularly classic rock. It takes more than a synthesizer for me, and based on the Rush I've listened to, I just can't consider them prog. If that's the genre we put them in, why not consider Journey and Boston to be prog too?

I don't mind the fact that people go nuts for Rush, but it bothers me when they're topping the prog rock lists ahead of true trailblazers like King Crimson.
 

Don Incognito

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It's also the content of the lyrics and composition of individual songs and albums at large, 2112 most notably.
 

DefunctTheory

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Wikipedia says King Crimson hasn't released a (Recorded) album since 2003, and has gone through eight line ups.

Personally, I had never heard of them, though I have listened to Rush, Genesis, and Pink Floyd. I just tried to listen to a few of King Crimson's songs from 'Power to Believe.'

I am not surprised they are not on top of the prog rock list.
 

Sleepy Sol

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You don't need specific instrumental compositions to call a piece of music prog rock.

It was moreso that many bands considered "prog" demonstrated a greater virtuosity and wildly different song structures in comparison to typical "popular" music and rock of the time. Basically just showing a higher level of instrumental skill and trying to give some legitimacy to that form of rock. Rush definitely showed that they had a great amount of technical skill and didn't really sound like anybody else. The same way King Crimson didn't sound like anybody else. But you could still put both of them under the "rock" umbrella.

Like Don said, there was also a large propensity for prog rock bands to base songs or even entire albums around specific concepts. Neil Peart was heavily inspired in writing the lyrics for the band from a large amount of literature/poetry/etc. he had read. Not something a lot of bands were penning lyrics about at the time (whether they were good lyrics or not can be pretty debatable :v).

What Rush have you listened to? Because there are albums they've created that really don't give off a very "prog" impression. Like their first album. I'm not much a fan of their after-1985 material, either, except Clockwork Angels. That shit is dope. Really though, I'd say the only essential Rush albums are...everything from 2112 to Power Windows.

...Still a lot of albums, but only half of what they've put out there.
AccursedTheory said:
I am not surprised they are not on top of the prog rock list.
They kind of are. But certainly not because of their latest album.
 

RedRockRun

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AccursedTheory said:
Wikipedia says King Crimson hasn't released a (Recorded) album since 2003, and has gone through eight line ups.

Personally, I had never heard of them, though I have listened to Rush, Genesis, and Pink Floyd. I just tried to listen to a few of King Crimson's songs from 'Power to Believe.'

I am not surprised they are not on top of the prog rock list.
Yeah, unfortunately King Crimson is one of those bands that was really big at the time of their album releases but faded away. The constant lineup changes didn't help matters. Give their first three albums a listen. They enlisted the help of a poet and songwriter named Peter Sinfield to inject those albums with tons of occult mysticism and symbolism. I've yet to see any music go as deep.
 

Illesdan

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I think the only reason Rush falls under 'prog' is the lead singer's really weird voice. I never liked the guy's vocal style, but you have to admit, no one else out there sounds like him. I recommend 'Fly by Night', its a decent Rush album.
 

Tautology

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Progressive Rock as a genre is very nebulous. A measure of virtuosity in skill and an eclectic sound are largely what characterizes one's perception of a band as being progressive. Because of that and many prog bands' tendencies towards genre fusion and a general interplay between genres mean many bands could be labeled as such. In a way it serves as more of a bridge genre than anything. A musical lingua franca!

Rush is one of the more popular prog bands because, compared to many others, they are much more accessible to people who otherwise wouldn't listen to prog rock. The complexity, themes, and overall sound can turn most first time listeners off entirely. Give the uninitiated King Crimson's "In The Court Of The Crimson King" and Rush's "Moving Pictures" and Rush wins every time. It's less intense on the ears.

Rush, Yes, and post Gabriel Genesis are "foot in the door" progressive. They retain many of the hallmarks of a prog rock band, but are easier to listen to and are more radio friendly. How often do you hear King Crimson, Procul Harum, or Gentle Giant on the radio? Not often I'd bet. I've heard King Crimson's Dinosaur maybe once. In fact, most prog mainstays adopted a streamlined and poppier sound in the 80s. Album long suites that trudged along became less common, which also helped to soften peoples' image of prog rock as being pretentious and overly grandiose. We could argue about whether or not doing either was "selling out" but you can't deny that it exposed them to a wider audience.

Someone who felt a band's music was incomprehensible before could sample their more familiar sounding offerings, dipping a toe in the shallower parts of the genre. When they finally jump into the deep end, they have a sense of what to expect in terms of composition and content. It becomes less intimidating and easier to grasp. When learning math you don't start with calculus, but with basic arithmetic and work your way up. Acquiring a taste for prog rock is the same way, but backwards. You start with pop, not its roots in psychedelic rock.

Regarding Rush and what makes them a progressive band, the first and most obvious is their ability and instrumentation. Without getting into the minutia of music theory, they have both great skill and a wide range of instruments in their body of work; especially Neil Peart. A second example is the synthesizer. The birth of progressive as a genre and the development of the synthesizer happened around the same time and progressive bands were some the first to incorporate them and other electronic sounds into their music. Rush was notable for putting it front and center in many of their arrangements in the 80s.

Another key trait was their exploring and adapting other genres into their music. Not just classical, but jazz, reggae, new wave, and even alternative rock to name a few. It's actually through Rush and prog rock in general that I developed an appreciation for jazz. I can't say I enjoy jazz but I least better understand and appreciate what jazz musicians were trying to do.

In terms of Rush's earlier influences you can count Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Jethro Tull, and even Led Zeppelin as some of the bands they've said were inspirations to them. They started with a "traditional" progressive rock framework and grew from there. You could say they progressed.
 

Sleepy Sol

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Tautology said:
Nice post, and much more detailed and thorough than anything I could have said.

@OP, Peart really has used a pretty wide range of various percussive instruments in his drumming for Rush. Chimes, temple blocks, all manner of stuff. If instrumental composition is a big part of what makes music "progressive" to you I'd recommend songs like "Xanadu" and "The Trees" from Rush. You might be able to get more of that feeling and why they get that "prog rock" label from those songs rather than an album like Moving Pictures, which I'd guess is probably the most largely recognized Rush album.
 

SmallHatLogan

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I've had trouble pinning this one down. I had the exact same question the first time I heard Queensryche. I think the issue for me is that I started my foray into prog rock/metal with a certain expectation for how experimental and weird it should be. My introduction to prog rock was Dream Theater's Dance of Eternity which is a very showy piece in terms of musical virtuosity and has quite an unusual composition. So I kind of dived into the genre head first.

When I got around to the likes of Rush and Queensryche I was comparing them to Dream Theater, King Crimson and Porcupine Tree and was wondering where the weirdness was. But if you compare them to their non prog contemporaries (rather than comparing them to other prog rock bands) you do notice the more (if only slightly) eclectic and ambitious compositions and displays of technical ability.
 

Dizchu

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I haven't really listened to Rush but judging from how they're regarded by fans alone, they're prog. Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart are constantly praised by prog rock and metal musicians for their virtuosity, and consistently list them as some of their main influences.

I think your hesitation to call them prog rock comes from hindsight because they may not follow all of the tropes the genre is known for today. It's like how I'm hesitant to call Black Sabbath heavy metal when they sound more like hard rock and blues than any metal band from the 80s onwards.

AccursedTheory said:
Wikipedia says King Crimson hasn't released a (Recorded) album since 2003, and has gone through eight line ups.

Personally, I had never heard of them, though I have listened to Rush, Genesis, and Pink Floyd. I just tried to listen to a few of King Crimson's songs from 'Power to Believe.'

I am not surprised they are not on top of the prog rock list.
Listen to In the Court of the Crimson King. It's guaranteed that if you have any love for prog rock, at least one of the songs on that album will appeal to you. Don't let the first track throw you off, most of it is pretty sombre and folky.