...TheNamlessGuy said:
Ok...so your order of preference is Return, Star Wars, Phantom Menace, Clone Wars, Revenge, Empire.
Nope, can't follow or make sense of that at all. Please explain.
Why is Star Wars: Episode I Looked Upon With Despise?
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Nope, can't follow or make sense of that at all. Please explain.
The OT was directed to a younger audience. Family audience more so really. What fails is the prequels is that Lucas doesn't know(or stress) which audience is he talking about.FreezerBurn said:
Is it the young folk? If so why add so much political mumbo jumbo and so much importance in that.
Is it the older folk? If so why add so much childish comic relief and so much "Look flashy things are epic!!" effects.
The prequels fail cause they are a mess. Simple. The originals don't fail cause there was someone there to clean up the mess and create 3 good movies. With the prequels there was no safety net. The big irony is that if Lucas was working for a big Hollywood studio some producer would have stopped him at some point. But Lucas turned his back to that, so it was him and a lot of lemmings.
What Ep.I,II and III needed was a guy saying "I don't think that will work George.". The Plinkett reviews go into a big extent in this one, and now he has released a new review for Episode 2.
Check out the Phantom Edit, I think you'll see that the movie just needed some proper editing to get it to be a good movie.
Speeding those videos up would probably prove to be much more entertaining and much less painful >.<Hoppetussa said:
OT: I didn't mind it, I guess it just didn't provide the same level of quality that most people had hoped and expected from the original 3 episodes.
How about because it fucking sucks?
I mean, they ruined the whole fucking thing.
Everything that could be wrong is wrong.
Look, just watch RedLetterMedia on youtube if you can stand his voice, he'll explain everything.
I mean, they ruined the whole fucking thing.
Everything that could be wrong is wrong.
Look, just watch RedLetterMedia on youtube if you can stand his voice, he'll explain everything.
Yeah that's fair enough. Dont get me wrong I'm not trying to defend the prequels at all, the first (final?) three were obviously better and the midichlorians things was just stupid. Hayden Christianson is a shit actor, but at least we got to see Natalie Portman in tight white pants and Samual. L Jackson wield a purple lightsabre, haha.Plurralbles said:
I didn't quote it because I didn't understand it and I still don't, and you didn't clarify it.Richard Hannay said:
The ways I would have made episode I better:
-no Qui-gon Jinn, sure he was okay but everything he does would be more effective if Obi-Wan did it, would give us better character development, plus we'd know he's awesome, because hey he is Ben Kenobi.
-Make Jar Jar less annoying, still comic relief but in a sniveling coward way rather than a "Izza stepped in da poopy" way he was in the first. Instead of winning by accident in the battle, he overcomes his cowardly nature to be a hero.
-Make Anakin 18-20 basically Luke from IV, that way when they say he's too old to train as a Jedi its an even bigger deal and his relationship with Padme is less weird. Also cast a really likeable and non-emo actor as him, portray him as a paragon of lawful good, that way his fall is more devasting.
-Lose the starfigther battle, it made no sense because that was the only battle that mattered, the gungans, infiltrating Naboo guards and Jedi's battle would have been for nothing had the droids not been deactivated. Make the viceroy only able to disarm them, making Padme's move important, but the other two battle are there to make sure she achieves her goal. This also leaves Anakin free to...
-Kill Darth Maul, so right now we've had Obi Wan get his arse handed to him by Maul, he's all alone and his sabers out of reach, Maul's gloating over him. Suddenly we see the saber slide along the ground with the force and into...Anakin's hand (everyone's assuming it was going to be Obi Wan at this point), who crudely cuts Maul in two.
It ends with Jar Jar having earnt his hero status, Obi Wan deciding to go against the wishes of the council and train Anakin and some early ground work in the relationship with Padme, like a stolen kiss or something.
For II and III:
-Have someone else like Morgan Freeman as Mace Windu, Samuel L Jackson works best with characters full of emotion, which is why he should play Jango Fett, imagine him screaming at "Bantha fodda" eating Jedi as he fires both pistols, simply awesome. Also that would mean a clone army of Samuel L Jackson which is also awesome.
-Have the reason Anakin goes evil be due to Palpatine manipulating him to think the Jedi are corrupt, that the Sith are the real good guys. Stuff starts escalating, he keeps trying to do what he thinks is the right thing, eventually he hits the point of no return and becomes the Vader we all know, hating himself for doing so.
P.S. I am by no means a starwars fanboy, I've only seen the original trilogy a handful of times, the new trilogy only once, never read any of the EU or that stuff. I was just having this discussion yesterday with a mate.
-no Qui-gon Jinn, sure he was okay but everything he does would be more effective if Obi-Wan did it, would give us better character development, plus we'd know he's awesome, because hey he is Ben Kenobi.
-Make Jar Jar less annoying, still comic relief but in a sniveling coward way rather than a "Izza stepped in da poopy" way he was in the first. Instead of winning by accident in the battle, he overcomes his cowardly nature to be a hero.
-Make Anakin 18-20 basically Luke from IV, that way when they say he's too old to train as a Jedi its an even bigger deal and his relationship with Padme is less weird. Also cast a really likeable and non-emo actor as him, portray him as a paragon of lawful good, that way his fall is more devasting.
-Lose the starfigther battle, it made no sense because that was the only battle that mattered, the gungans, infiltrating Naboo guards and Jedi's battle would have been for nothing had the droids not been deactivated. Make the viceroy only able to disarm them, making Padme's move important, but the other two battle are there to make sure she achieves her goal. This also leaves Anakin free to...
-Kill Darth Maul, so right now we've had Obi Wan get his arse handed to him by Maul, he's all alone and his sabers out of reach, Maul's gloating over him. Suddenly we see the saber slide along the ground with the force and into...Anakin's hand (everyone's assuming it was going to be Obi Wan at this point), who crudely cuts Maul in two.
It ends with Jar Jar having earnt his hero status, Obi Wan deciding to go against the wishes of the council and train Anakin and some early ground work in the relationship with Padme, like a stolen kiss or something.
For II and III:
-Have someone else like Morgan Freeman as Mace Windu, Samuel L Jackson works best with characters full of emotion, which is why he should play Jango Fett, imagine him screaming at "Bantha fodda" eating Jedi as he fires both pistols, simply awesome. Also that would mean a clone army of Samuel L Jackson which is also awesome.
-Have the reason Anakin goes evil be due to Palpatine manipulating him to think the Jedi are corrupt, that the Sith are the real good guys. Stuff starts escalating, he keeps trying to do what he thinks is the right thing, eventually he hits the point of no return and becomes the Vader we all know, hating himself for doing so.
P.S. I am by no means a starwars fanboy, I've only seen the original trilogy a handful of times, the new trilogy only once, never read any of the EU or that stuff. I was just having this discussion yesterday with a mate.
It had a few good qualities--No one is arguing that Darth Maul and his double lightsaber isn't one of the most badass guys around, or at least he was, before he got all halved and dropped down a shaft kind of thing. It's just that the whole exposition of The[/] Biggest Mask-breathing-est Badass around degrades the power of the character so exquisitely established as Darth Vader. That he was a whiny little ***** before just makes it...*shudder*. At least he mans up after he gets roasted. Could always do with more Sith, though. And less goddam Midichlorians. What the hell would they be made of anyway? What's the midi-prefix mean chemically, anyway?
Jar Jar Binks, midichlorians and that annoying brat that plays Anakin. Liam Neeson saves the movie somewhat, however. Ewan McGregor does okay and Natalie Portman is always a grace on the screen.
Personally, I don't think Episode I is absolutely horrible. Neeson saves any scene he's in (which thankfully are quite a lot of them), Darth Maul lives by the Rule of Cool and it has lightsabers.
Episode II is much more of wasteland, in my honest opinion.
Personally, I don't think Episode I is absolutely horrible. Neeson saves any scene he's in (which thankfully are quite a lot of them), Darth Maul lives by the Rule of Cool and it has lightsabers.
Episode II is much more of wasteland, in my honest opinion.
Jar Goddamn Jar Fucking Binks.That thing is annoying enough without the racist undertones. It's voice, oh Christ...doesn't anythimg annoy you, OP? Do you enjoy mosquito bites and the whine of leaf blowers? You must be the easiest person in the world to get along with. The other two new ones I enjoyed much better, even with the horrifically inept love scenes, and I think the third is a damn good movie.
But Jar Jar Binks. I would murder that thing in cold blood, then track down every further incarnation of it, and inject chlorine into those eggs. It would be the most necessary Easter egg hunt ever.
But Jar Jar Binks. I would murder that thing in cold blood, then track down every further incarnation of it, and inject chlorine into those eggs. It would be the most necessary Easter egg hunt ever.
Its because it was hyped up to be the best movie ever, not just by the ad campaign, but by our own nostalgic expectations. When it failed to deliver on the impossible expectation, people felt betrayed and blasted it. Also Jar-Jar of the island people is lulzy.
I can only speak of the prequel trilogy as a whole, as its been a while since I've watched it, and the details are a little sketchy to me now.
Midichlorians: Magic n mystery of the force explained took the shine off for me.
Space politics: Cut all the political scenes out of the trilogy and you could have a 2 - 3 hour political (space) thriller.
Jar-Jar Binks: Like Marmite you love him or hate him, I'll go for hate.
Vader/Anakin: One of Sci-fi's best villains, in attempt to make his fall from grace effect you, was made into a whiney b*tch in what I'm guessing was an attempt too identify with him.
and finally
The best bit cut out: What I would have loved to have seen is Vader being a bad ass Sith. His fall from grace, hunting down every Jedi and wiping the floor with them, n eradicating them from the face of the galaxy. But all we see is him sort out some father issues with Obiwan, n the good stuff is saved for books n games
Midichlorians: Magic n mystery of the force explained took the shine off for me.
Space politics: Cut all the political scenes out of the trilogy and you could have a 2 - 3 hour political (space) thriller.
Jar-Jar Binks: Like Marmite you love him or hate him, I'll go for hate.
Vader/Anakin: One of Sci-fi's best villains, in attempt to make his fall from grace effect you, was made into a whiney b*tch in what I'm guessing was an attempt too identify with him.
and finally
The best bit cut out: What I would have loved to have seen is Vader being a bad ass Sith. His fall from grace, hunting down every Jedi and wiping the floor with them, n eradicating them from the face of the galaxy. But all we see is him sort out some father issues with Obiwan, n the good stuff is saved for books n games
