Why is the Wii for Casual Only gamers?

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Pendragon9 said:
Nowadays, Nintendo fans and Nintendo themselves prefer games that are easy and do things for you. There's no challenge anymore. None of the new games can offer challenge. Twilight Princess? FEH. That game is a cake walk. Super Mario Galaxy? More like "Super Put down the controller and get a sandwich Galaxy". Metroid Prime? How about you dodge lethal spaghetti-os in a lava filled room for half an hour while trying to fire missiles at a gigantic brain? None of those games can compare to yesteryear. Face it. Nintendo has lost it's touch. Why else do so many eager and well played Nintendo fans praise the Virtual Console so much? Because it's a fountain of nostalgia that they know well.
I'm gonna go ahead and say 'NO' to that. It's not just games on the Wii that aren't challenging enough, it's games overall that have become easier. "But teh halo has legendary moad lolol", you say. Well, I don't care. That's a poor way of making a game more difficult, as it only follows the standard rule of increased enemy HP and they shoot more often. I highly doubt it lives up to the difficulty of retro games, which didn't rely on 'hard modes'.

Metroid Prime was quite tricky, by the way. Unless you started off on the easiest mode..

And to stay a bit more on topic: There are plenty of good games on the Wii, but most people simply focus on the Ubisoft shovelware, that is labelled as 'casual crap'.

Or maybe people are just butthurt because their grandfather/-mother won in Wii Sports during his/her first/second play.
 

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So you can ask. And so you can start a flamewar
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ORLY??? I am the Nintendo president who came out at launch and stated this is for casual gamers??? Give me a fuckin break.

Oh and you may want to go back and reread the OP. Cuz I never once said that only casual gamers play the Wii. Infact if your tiny little dinosaur brain had allowed you to read past the title I was kinda implying that the Wii isn't just for casual gamers. And was asking why they are always labelled as such.
If you could comprehend simple english you would have realized that I was saying

This topic has been done so many times that it's not even funny

It's been 4 fucken years. We all fucken know that the Wii is a system caters to casual gamers and hardcore ones as well.

A fucken autistic 5 year old knows this. Wake the fuck up.

Stop making threads like this. It's like those "Do video games make people violent" threads. We've all saif the same thing over and over agian. Use your fucken brain and come up with a topic worth discussing.

Ohh and for the record.

Use the fucken search bar
Feel better now that you got 2 free post counts and added nothing to the thread? Feel your E-Peen grow did you? Funny how there was some valid discussion going on before you decided to join in. Sorry for holding that gun to your head and making you come in and read it and respond. Didn't realize the internet or the Escapist was so small that it couldn't handle another thread. One that may or may not have been done since searching Wii and Casual Gamer brought up more threads than I can possibly sift through in a lifetime looking for an answer.
 

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JediMB said:
Re: Why is the Wii for Casual Only gamers?

It's not. But people are delusional, bandwagon-hopping, whining wankers.

Thank you.
No... thank YOU! *applauds*
*also applauds*
People who believe the Wii to be a casual and non-gamer console are why I hate loving my Wii.
 

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None of the new games can offer challenge. Twilight Princess? FEH. That game is a cake walk. Super Mario Galaxy? More like "Super Put down the controller and get a sandwich Galaxy". Metroid Prime? How about you dodge lethal spaghetti-os in a lava filled room for half an hour while trying to fire missiles at a gigantic brain? None of those games can compare to yesteryear. Face it. Nintendo has lost it's touch.
All of these games can offer challenging difficulty. Yeah, Twilight Princess was intentionally made less challenging, but you can simply make it harder by not picking up heart pieces or any of the side-quest items. Super Mario Galaxy's main missions aren't too tough, but I lost more than a significant amount of lives on the Luigi's Purple Coins challenge. Metroid Prime 3 can be tricky when you're playing it on the highest difficulty available. Besides, difficulty does not determine quality. Just because SMG is easy doesn't mean it's not a blast to play through. Twilight Princess isn't too challenging, but it's such a great game that I don't care about that. I'm not too into MP3, but I'm sure fans of the series are still quite content with it. If difficulty is all that matters in determining quality, then Capcom's Ghosts 'n Goblins franchise is the best series of all time.

In short, would you rather have a game that's hard, or a game that's fun?
 

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squid5580 said:
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So you can ask. And so you can start a flamewar
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Feel better now that you got 2 free post counts and added nothing to the thread? Feel your E-Peen grow did you? Funny how there was some valid discussion going on before you decided to join in. Sorry for holding that gun to your head and making you come in and read it and respond. Didn't realize the internet or the Escapist was so small that it couldn't handle another thread. One that may or may not have been done since searching Wii and Casual Gamer brought up more threads than I can possibly sift through in a lifetime looking for an answer.
Okay...

First of all, 2 free posts? Why the fuck would I care to have 2 free posts? I wasn't aware the Escapist was a paysite/

No there wasn't discussion. It was either, "The Wii caters to both" or "The wii is for babies and Idiots".

So you're lazy. Stop acting like a dolt and admit you didn;t use the search bar. If you wanted to know why you would have searched this or you could have sat down and thought about it. I'm sorry, that requires a fucken brain.

If you could sit down for a moment or so you would descover that, yes, the Wii does have games for the hardcore crowd. Just like the 360 has casual games. If you could think for a couple more moments you would realize that the people who call the Wii "kiddie" only are as big retared as those who say "Xbox is for suxxors", those who say "The Ps3 is waist $$ abd no good games", or for a personal refrence; yourself

Basically, you knew you were creating a thread that has been done before and better. You could have come up with a better thread idea. Who's the one going for "free posts" now you wanker?
 

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pimppeter2 said:
squid5580 said:
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squid5580 said:
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squid5580 said:
pimppeter2 said:
So you can ask. And so you can start a flamewar
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Feel better now that you got 2 free post counts and added nothing to the thread? Feel your E-Peen grow did you? Funny how there was some valid discussion going on before you decided to join in. Sorry for holding that gun to your head and making you come in and read it and respond. Didn't realize the internet or the Escapist was so small that it couldn't handle another thread. One that may or may not have been done since searching Wii and Casual Gamer brought up more threads than I can possibly sift through in a lifetime looking for an answer.
Okay...

First of all, 2 free posts? Why the fuck would I care to have 2 free posts? I wasn't aware the Escapist was a paysite/

No there wasn't discussion. It was either, "The Wii caters to both" or "The wii is for babies and Idiots".

So you're lazy. Stop acting like a dolt and admit you didn;t use the search bar. If you wanted to know why you would have searched this or you could have sat down and thought about it. I'm sorry, that requires a fucken brain.

If you could sit down for a moment or so you would descover that, yes, the Wii does have games for the hardcore crowd. Just like the 360 has casual games. If you could think for a couple more moments you would realize that the people who call the Wii "kiddie" only are as big retared as those who say "Xbox is for suxxors", those who say "The Ps3 is waist $$ abd no good games", or for a personal refrence; yourself

Basically, you knew you were creating a thread that has been done before and better. You could have come up with a better thread idea. Who's the one going for "free posts" now you wanker?
So you have just restated everything in the original post. Good job. So now do you want to explain why the Wii is touted as a casual gamers wet dream by the makers as well as the internet? That is the question afterall.
 

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The Wii is considered casual because the list of replayable, "gamer" type games on the console can be counted on one hand. In fact... can anyone name one besides Smash Brawl, and the upcoming Tatsunoko vs Capcom? I guess The Conduit will add another later this year as well. Still, for a 2.5 year old console, it has surprisingly few great games.
 

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squid5580 said:
pimppeter2 said:
squid5580 said:
pimppeter2 said:
squid5580 said:
pimppeter2 said:
squid5580 said:
pimppeter2 said:
So you can ask. And so you can start a flamewar
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Feel better now that you got 2 free post counts and added nothing to the thread? Feel your E-Peen grow did you? Funny how there was some valid discussion going on before you decided to join in. Sorry for holding that gun to your head and making you come in and read it and respond. Didn't realize the internet or the Escapist was so small that it couldn't handle another thread. One that may or may not have been done since searching Wii and Casual Gamer brought up more threads than I can possibly sift through in a lifetime looking for an answer.
Okay...

First of all, 2 free posts? Why the fuck would I care to have 2 free posts? I wasn't aware the Escapist was a paysite/

No there wasn't discussion. It was either, "The Wii caters to both" or "The wii is for babies and Idiots".

So you're lazy. Stop acting like a dolt and admit you didn;t use the search bar. If you wanted to know why you would have searched this or you could have sat down and thought about it. I'm sorry, that requires a fucken brain.

If you could sit down for a moment or so you would descover that, yes, the Wii does have games for the hardcore crowd. Just like the 360 has casual games. If you could think for a couple more moments you would realize that the people who call the Wii "kiddie" only are as big retared as those who say "Xbox is for suxxors", those who say "The Ps3 is waist $$ abd no good games", or for a personal refrence; yourself

Basically, you knew you were creating a thread that has been done before and better. You could have come up with a better thread idea. Who's the one going for "free posts" now you wanker?
So you have just restated everything in the original post. Good job. So now do you want to explain why the Wii is touted as a casual gamers wet dream by the makers as well as the internet? That is the question afterall.
Stop being such an idiot and let it go. Wtf do you mean I've restated everything in the post. I'm just saying if you thought about it you would realize your answer instead of asking an obious question online to fill up space.

Why don't you go make a "Why do people belive in God" or "Are Atheists bad people" thread and claim that you're not trying to start a flame war

Bottom Line: You are an arrogant ignorant dolt who won't ever admit he is wrong and that his thread is just recycled shit.
 

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Here's my answer. The Wii is a decent game console. The problem is ALL OF US. And Nintendo is to blame too.

We had to practice and work hard back in the old days. You wanted to complete Super Mario Brothers? You had to get the perfect knack for jumping over those f*cking fish. And then memorize the castle layout at world 8 before time ran out. Then you had to jump over Bowser in one epic hammer flung fireball frenzy that even Cthulu would shoot himself over if he could play a Nintendo with those tentacles of his.

Not going off topic, here's the point. The hard games of yesteryear trained us to play excellent games of the later times. We were ready to play what they gave us next, and that's why the games were so fun. They started out easy for the beginners, then became terribly difficult for us hardcore gamers. But by then, we had it down, and we were running past entire spike levels and blowing up mid level bosses like walking on a meadow of flowers. Thus the game could be challenging yet still fun without being frustrating.
I'm sorry, Bob, but I'm gonna have to cut you off here, since you had such a good thing going up until the final paragraph and silly additions.

As you said, old games like Super Mario Bros. had a habit of starting out easy, and jacking up the difficulty level as you progressed. Part of why the difficulty level went up was to make the games last longer, since technical limitations made it very hard to actually create a lot of content for them. This resulted in gamers that became more and more skilled, allowing for more and more complicated and difficult games. Of course eventually the rise in the difficulty curve had to stop, since most of the gamers would feel alienated if every game was a Ghosts 'n Goblins. Multiple difficulty levels was one way to keep both the challenge-seekers and the regular gamers satisfied.

But now there's still the matter of games being complicated. Since we don't have the same technical limitations anymore, developers get the chance to cram a lot more features into their games, which of course means that gamers have a lot more they need to learn in order to simply play the game. Keep in mind that we long-time Nintendo gamers started out with a D-pad and two face buttons, while the PlayStations have a good 10 buttons, two sticks and a D-pad. It's much, much harder to get into gaming for the first time today than it was 20 years ago. Or at least it was, until Nintendo saw this problem and created the Wii.

This is the point of the Wii:

Ship the machine with a game that people who don't usually play video games can relate to. Give the game simple and intuitive controls, with an amount of depth that is obviously relative to the depth present in the real-world activity it's inspired by. This is, of course, Wii Sports. People can try it, realize that playing a video game can be fun, and they have broken through the first barrier of video gaming.

Next step is to make their new customer go out and buy a new game. They don't want it to be too much of a step up in difficulty, and they don't want it to be too similar in concept to their previous product. They'd also like to add an extra perk, to further encourage a purchase. The game in question is Wii Play, the perk is the bundled Wii Remote, and amusingly enough it's the best-selling video game of all time.

Time for step 3. Take an established classic Nintendo franchise, and make some adjustments to make it appeal both to its regular fan base and to the new gamers they're "shepherding". This product is Mario Kart Wii, with the bundled Wii Wheel to make the controls more intuitive for those who haven't adjusted to using analog sticks yet... or just want a more life-like experience... or enjoy driving like drunks. (No, I don't much like the Wii Wheel, personally.) MKWii clocks in as the 9th best-selling video game ever, and also the best-selling Mario Kart game to date, just barely beating Mario Kart DS.

Now, before I move on to step 4, I'd just like to mention really quickly that, yes, Nintendo has put out or are working on a few more games in the previously mentioned tiers. The upcoming Wii Sports Resort naturally fits into the same tier as the regular Wii Sports, although it's also used to showcase the functionality of the Wii MotionPlus, and Wii Fit probably fits into tier 2 while also slightly nudging at tier 3.

Anyway, step 4, I believe, is a game that will introduce new gamers to a game that is competitive, cooperative, and also requires an amount of skill in order to at all progress through it. I mean, let's face it, even a bad player will inevitably make it through a cup in Mario Kart, since there's no way to actually die. So this game will introduce utter defeat, and not just the "finishing last" worst-case scenario of racing. The game in question is New Super Mario Bros Wii. Of course this is when people will start complaining about the auto-play feature the game is said to have, but if you think about it this is the best way to both maintain the rising difficulty level that is standard in the Super Mario games, while also ensuring that new gamers don't get frustrated and give up. New gamers aren't likely to have the same sense of pride about these things as us veterans, so they're given the option to watch and learn, move forward, and maybe try again later.

Well, that's about it for what I have to say here. I'm sure Nintendo will unveil their next step soon enough, and I'm looking forward to seeing what it is. Mario is likely going to continue to be the vessel for pushing new gamers into for them previously unexplored territory, and I hope that more third party developers come to realize what it is Nintendo are really doing with their games, rather than just push out oversimplified third-rate games with badly designed control schemes.
 

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I've been watching too much Scrubs. I had Cox on my brain the entire time I was typing that.
 

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MetallicaRulez0 said:
The Wii is considered casual because the list of replayable, "gamer" type games on the console can be counted on one hand. In fact... can anyone name one besides Smash Brawl, and the upcoming Tatsunoko vs Capcom? I guess The Conduit will add another later this year as well. Still, for a 2.5 year old console, it has surprisingly few great games.
I don't think that is really a fair statement. "Great games" is subjective. We all want something different from or gaming experiences. As for "replayable titles" there have been titles I would play through time after time because I enjoyed it (or I couldn't afford another game) that others wouldn't Or vice versa they replay a game repeatedly while I burned through it once said MEH and moved on to the next game.
 

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Ok the title doesn't exactly express my question here. Allow me to try and form a couple coherent sentences as to what I mean to ask. Every time Nintendo is mentioned the next words to follow is Casual Gamer. And I can't deny they have some games directed at a younger audience (although you can't say the "hardcore" systems don't have these types of games just Nintendo seems to have more). I owned a Wii for a while and tried out some games. And there was one thing I couldn't help but realize. THEY WERE BLOODY HARD. I struggled to get to the second level of RE Umbrella Chronicles. DAH raped me where on the PS2 and the 360 I breezed through them.

So without using the whole graphics are terrible excuse or all they make is kiddie games can someone explain to me why the Wii is for casual gamers. When a "hardcore" (god I hate using that term) gamer couldn't pick up and play the damn thing?
So don't use "hardcore" use "serious". I think Nintendo has as much potential as any other company to produce deep, serious games. I don't think the Wii controller is necessarily incompatible with that. Wouldn't it feel MORE intense to be in a horror game and actually move a Wii controller like a flashlight? And could you really beat the idea of wielding a Wii controller like a lightsaber? How about an Old West game or Rodeo game where you learn to do rope tricks using it? Or the gun from the House of the Dead arcade games?

It has lots of potential but Nintendo has decided what audience it wants to pursue and like 7-Up it's okay with its current market share. And it had a great shot with the Star Wars franchise to really make its mark with its new signature controller but I've seen their version and the X-Box version and I assure you, the graphics on the X-Box version were MUCH higher. And I still can't fathom why they allowed it to be that way.
Everyone I know were excited about trying it until they saw it.

Maybe they are going with simpler graphics to insure their games make it out faster. I could understand that. But although they have plenty of potential to provide just as much punch as any other system out there, they just aren't doing it. However, they are still pumping out some fun little titles like Animal Crossing. And their is nothing wrong with cute, fun, little addictive games. But they are comfortable where they are right now and until their position is threatened and they have to push back, I don't think they will put out anything more than the occasional rail shooter. It's just where things are right now.
 

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It's the only system that isn't sold solely on graphics, and games have to have SUPER AWESOME HD GRAPHIX to be considered "hardcore"
 

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I'm afraid I'll have to disagree. I just can't get used to the Wii as a gaming machine. Yes, it's a decent machine nonetheless, but I want some old games that push difficulty and at least try to push graphical limitations. I don't care if it alienates the casual gamers. They can go to hell for all I care. When they shifted their games to be piss easy and nothing but Mario remakes and Wii Sports, they stopped interesting me and lost all the zeal they used to have.

Say it all you want, but a sports game will never be as good as a real game. That means Wii sports will ALWAYS be a joke.(Punch Out averted this by actually being fun and cartoony.)
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The auto play feature coming up will be the end of good games. Nintendo fans complain about how other console games are becoming nothing but movies, yet they're making a game that plays itself. I feel sickened by that, and people should be ashamed for thinking it's a good idea.

Also, they should just give Mario a break. I'm tired of seeing sequels and games with him in it. That's why there are fewer decent Nintendo games. We haven't had a Zelda game in a long time. Why isn't it further in development? What about Starfox? and where are the myriads of other titles they used to showboat around?

It's not all about Mario. There's others too.

All in all, you guys wanna complain about other console fans being graphics whores? Then stop being such gimmick hounds. There has to be an end to this constant fighting over who's machine has the biggest e-penis.
 

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The auto play feature coming up will be the end of good games. Nintendo fans complain about how other console games are becoming nothing but movies, yet they're making a game that plays itself. I feel sickened by that, and people should be ashamed for thinking it's a good idea.
Be careful, citizen. Nintendo may break into your home and force you to use something like that. Games will be ruined forever! People will suddenly become idiots who will buy games just to watch them, not to play!

...oh wait, no they won't. People aren't that stupid. Someone who uses an video walkthrough feature for anything other than its intended purpose is someone who doesn't actually own the game they're playing.

MetallicaRulez0 said:
The Wii is considered casual because the list of replayable, "gamer" type games on the console can be counted on one hand. In fact... can anyone name one besides Smash Brawl, and the upcoming Tatsunoko vs Capcom? I guess The Conduit will add another later this year as well. Still, for a 2.5 year old console, it has surprisingly few great games.
SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"
 

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SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"
Wow. I can't believe you actually used Dead Rising as an argument in this case. That game sucks on the Wii.

Most of those are also multiplat, remakes of older games, and/or cash-ins on overhyped franchises. There really are no special games that Nintendo has made. Madworld and the Conduit look like nothing more than attempts to make Nintendo extreme (especially after Nintendo fans complained that First person shooters and violent gory games weren't real games. Now they suddenly like the genres. Hypocrits)SSBB has lost alot of it's steam, and No more Heroes is basically a watered down Star Wars hack and Slash. And wasn't Twilight Princess available on the Gamecube? They ruined Paper Mario by making it too easy, and Super Mario Galaxy was honestly not as inspired as the original Super Mario's. But I guess it was better than nothing.

Also, I hate sequels. They should stop the sequels and start making original games again. How about some original virtual console games? Like some side scrollers? They should've learned from Mega Man 9.
 

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So you can ask. And so you can start a flamewar
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So you have just restated everything in the original post. Good job. So now do you want to explain why the Wii is touted as a casual gamers wet dream by the makers as well as the internet? That is the question afterall.
Stop being such an idiot and let it go. Wtf do you mean I've restated everything in the post. I'm just saying if you thought about it you would realize your answer instead of asking an obious question online to fill up space.

Why don't you go make a "Why do people belive in God" or "Are Atheists bad people" thread and claim that you're not trying to start a flame war

Bottom Line: You are an arrogant ignorant dolt who won't ever admit he is wrong and that his thread is just recycled shit.
That's ironic. Now please act like you don't need to insult someone in every sentence to live.
Although as stated in the original post, the thread title could be better.





Pendragon9 said:
NeutralDrow said:
SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"
Wow. I can't believe you actually used Dead Rising as an argument in this case. That game sucks on the Wii.

Most of those are also multiplat, remakes of older games, and/or cash-ins on overhyped franchises. There really are no special games that Nintendo has made. Madworld and the Conduit look like nothing more than attempts to make Nintendo extreme (especially after Nintendo fans complained that First person shooters and violent gory games weren't real games. Now they suddenly like the genres. Hypocrits)SSBB has lost alot of it's steam, and No more Heroes is basically a watered down Star Wars hack and Slash. And wasn't Twilight Princess available on the Gamecube? They ruined Paper Mario by making it too easy, and Super Mario Galaxy was honestly not as inspired as the original Super Mario's. But I guess it was better than nothing.

Also, I hate sequels. They should stop the sequels and start making original games again.
So you were defining them as games you like?
Personally I get a guilty pleasure from the Lego Star Wars and Indiana Jones games on the Wii, while I avoided shaking the Wiimote as much as humanly possible.

And we all know that Nintendo will start making original games when the Moon Gods allow us into their superior society.