Why is the Wii for Casual Only gamers?

[NeutralDrow]

SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"

Wow. I can't believe you actually used Dead Rising as an argument in this case. That game sucks on the Wii.

So? You were lamenting the lack of "non-casual" games, not the lack of good games, right? I've heard bad things about the Wii Tomb Raider games and Red Steel as well.

Most of those are also multiplat, remakes of older games, and/or cash-ins on overhyped franchises. There really are no special games that Nintendo has made. Madworld and the Conduit look like nothing more than attempts to make Nintendo extreme (especially after Nintendo fans complained that First person shooters and violent gory games weren't real games. Now they suddenly like the genres. Hypocrits)SSBB has lost alot of it's steam, and No more Heroes is basically a watered down Star Wars hack and Slash. And wasn't Twilight Princess available on the Gamecube? They ruined Paper Mario by making it too easy, and Super Mario Galaxy was honestly not as inspired as the original Super Mario's. But I guess it was better than nothing.

Also, I hate sequels. They should stop the sequels and start making original games again. How about some original virtual console games? Like some side scrollers? They should've learned from Mega Man 9.

Ah, so you were defining "gamer" games as "games I like." I was just talking to the air, then.

 

[xxnightlawxx]

Nintendo thinks they are Fisher Price. Thank you Yathzee

 

[Pendragon9]

Ah, so you were defining "gamer" games as "games I like." I was just talking to the air, then.

See the post above my post and you'll know why I pointed out all those things.

Nintendo is trying to be a toy line. None of their games compare with the ones they used to make. And if you think i'm making up smoke, then ask any random person to choose between SUper Metroid and Wii Sports.

I think you'll know what choice they make.

 

[Pimppeter2]

So you can ask. And so you can start a flamewar

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So you have just restated everything in the original post. Good job. So now do you want to explain why the Wii is touted as a casual gamers wet dream by the makers as well as the internet? That is the question afterall.

Stop being such an idiot and let it go. Wtf do you mean I've restated everything in the post. I'm just saying if you thought about it you would realize your answer instead of asking an obious question online to fill up space.

Why don't you go make a "Why do people belive in God" or "Are Atheists bad people" thread and claim that you're not trying to start a flame war

Bottom Line: You are an arrogant ignorant dolt who won't ever admit he is wrong and that his thread is just recycled shit.

That's ironic. Now please act like you don't need to insult someone in every sentence to live.
Although as stated in the original post, the thread title could be better.

No, it isn't.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Ah, so you were defining "gamer" games as "games I like." I was just talking to the air, then.

See the post above my post and you'll know why I pointed out all those things.

Hmm...

Nintendo is inducting more non-gamers into gaming like this.

Nope, they're making a line of high-tech toys for the ignorant masses.

No, I'm afraid I don't see why you pointed out all those things. Truth be told, I kinda zeroed in on your complaint about the "auto-play." If I'd read your whole post, I'd have known not to bother responding.

Nintendo is trying to be a toy line. None of their games compare with the ones they used to make. And if you think i'm making up smoke, then ask any random person to choose between SUper Metroid and Wii Sports.

I think you'll know what choice they make.

No, I don't. Which choice would they make?

 

[Pendragon9]

No, I don't. Which choice would they make?

Are you implying Wii sports is better than Super Metroid?! o_0

 

[Sporky111]

Ok, I am sick of the whole "casual console" vs "hardcore console" mentality. The console is none of the those things, the fucking games are. The Wii is not casual, it just has more casual or kid games because there aren't enough developers getting off their HD graphics thrones and making a game for the mature gamer who wants motion controls. No More Heroes, good; MadWorld, artistic, experimental, fun; The Conduit, a good first try. Big developers just need to follow suit, soon . . . hopefully.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

The Wii is considered casual because the list of replayable, "gamer" type games on the console can be counted on one hand. In fact... can anyone name one besides Smash Brawl, and the upcoming Tatsunoko vs Capcom? I guess The Conduit will add another later this year as well. Still, for a 2.5 year old console, it has surprisingly few great games.

SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"

Ok, so how many of those are Wii exclusive, and how many of them have any sort of replay value? I'm looking through the list, and I see maybe 2 or 3 examples other than the ones I mentioned. My definition of "gamer game" is one that is mostly agreed upon to be great, plus has a lot of replay value. Something that can be enjoyed more than just the first playthrough. Most of the games you mentioned are either not exclusive, remakes of Gamecube games, or have no replay value at all.

Anyways... One thing I really forgot to mention, but is obvious now, is the Wii's incredibly sub-par online system. Honestly, who the hell thought Friend Codes were a good idea after XBL had been out for several years? Did they not see how ridiculously annoying Friend Codes would be, or am I just missing something here?

 

[Roamin11]

Cuz most gamers prefer a controller in their fingers than motion sensing technology

 

[RRilef]

The problem with the Wii is it hasn't really made any real non-casual games for a while. The majority of its list is shovelware. Its launch was insanely strong, but then it petered out for the "hardcore" crowd.

It has its "hardcore" games, but those are vastly outshadowed by the casual community the Wii has developed.

 

[Pendragon9]

Anyways... One thing I really forgot to mention, but is obvious now, is the Wii's incredibly sub-par online system. Honestly, who the hell thought Friend Codes were a good idea after XBL had been out for several years? Did they not see how ridiculously annoying Friend Codes would be, or am I just missing something here?

I know. That was another thing I had against the Wii. Is it such a hard problem to simply type a name and request they be your friend? When did we have to type out the entire numerical system just to send a friend invite?

 

[NeutralDrow]

No, I don't. Which choice would they make?

Are you implying Wii sports is better than Super Metroid?! o_0

I've only played one Metroid game, and only for about ten minutes. Whereas I could easily pass some time with Wii Boxing.

But that's just me. How would I know what someone else would pick?

The Wii is considered casual because the list of replayable, "gamer" type games on the console can be counted on one hand. In fact... can anyone name one besides Smash Brawl, and the upcoming Tatsunoko vs Capcom? I guess The Conduit will add another later this year as well. Still, for a 2.5 year old console, it has surprisingly few great games.

SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"

Ok, so how many of those are Wii exclusive, and how many of them have any sort of replay value? I'm looking through the list, and I see maybe 2 or 3 examples other than the ones I mentioned. My definition of "gamer game" is one that is mostly agreed upon to be great, plus has a lot of replay value. Something that can be enjoyed more than just the first playthrough. Most of the games you mentioned are either not exclusive, remakes of Gamecube games, or have no replay value at all.

So, if it's a non-exclusive game, it drops off the map, then?

Oh, and you're talking to someone who rereads books for fun. Could you define "replay value?"

 

[danosaurus]

Re: Why is the Wii for Casual Only gamers?

It's not. But people are delusional, bandwagon-hopping, whining wankers.

Thank you.

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ORLY??? I am the Nintendo president who came out at launch and stated this is for casual gamers??? Give me a fuckin break.

Oh and you may want to go back and reread the OP. Cuz I never once said that only casual gamers play the Wii. Infact if your tiny little dinosaur brain had allowed you to read past the title I was kinda implying that the Wii isn't just for casual gamers. And was asking why they are always labelled as such.

Excuse me, our brains are not small.
oh and I hate to take sides but uhhh... Pimppeter2 is making sense, as harsh as it is.

I also believe that the 'casual' and 'hardcore' labels are bollocks terminology, you can't just take a whole world of people who play games and then split them up into 2 sweepingly collective categories.

IMHO - Do some of your own research - purchase an appropriate console - enjoy it for what it is and shut the f*ck up.

 

[Pendragon9]

No, I don't. Which choice would they make?

Are you implying Wii sports is better than Super Metroid?! o_0

I've only played one Metroid game, and only for about ten minutes. Whereas I could easily pass some time with Wii Boxing.

But that's just me. How would I know what someone else would pick?

The Wii is considered casual because the list of replayable, "gamer" type games on the console can be counted on one hand. In fact... can anyone name one besides Smash Brawl, and the upcoming Tatsunoko vs Capcom? I guess The Conduit will add another later this year as well. Still, for a 2.5 year old console, it has surprisingly few great games.

SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"

Ok, so how many of those are Wii exclusive, and how many of them have any sort of replay value? I'm looking through the list, and I see maybe 2 or 3 examples other than the ones I mentioned. My definition of "gamer game" is one that is mostly agreed upon to be great, plus has a lot of replay value. Something that can be enjoyed more than just the first playthrough. Most of the games you mentioned are either not exclusive, remakes of Gamecube games, or have no replay value at all.

So, if it's a non-exclusive game, it drops off the map, then?

Oh, and you're talking to someone who rereads books for fun. Could you define "replay value?"

Yes. YEs it does. If it's non exclusive, it won't attract you to that console.

But the bold truth is that if every company was willing to share their exclusives, then we would have no need for console flamewars. But if they did openly share, we'd have to find out what to play on. And if we only had one system, the prices would likely be sky high.

Competition leads to better prices, but then leads to overly done flame wars. We all are caught up in it.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

So you have just restated everything in the original post. Good job. So now do you want to explain why the Wii is touted as a casual gamers wet dream by the makers as well as the internet? That is the question afterall.

Show me some kind of video or article where Nintendo has said something along those lines, or even said the word 'casual' please.

P.S. Remember how many 'casual' shovelware games the PS2 had? No? Interesting...

 

[NeutralDrow]

No, I don't. Which choice would they make?

Are you implying Wii sports is better than Super Metroid?! o_0

I've only played one Metroid game, and only for about ten minutes. Whereas I could easily pass some time with Wii Boxing.

But that's just me. How would I know what someone else would pick?

The Wii is considered casual because the list of replayable, "gamer" type games on the console can be counted on one hand. In fact... can anyone name one besides Smash Brawl, and the upcoming Tatsunoko vs Capcom? I guess The Conduit will add another later this year as well. Still, for a 2.5 year old console, it has surprisingly few great games.

SSBB, No More Heroes, Madworld, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Castlevania Judgment, Call of Duty: World at War, Twilight Princess, Dead Rising, Trauma Center, Tomb Raider, Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Scarface: The World is Yours, Red Steel, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Okami, Ghostbusters, Heavenly Guardian, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Naruto Clash of Ninja...

Or were you defining "gamer" games as "games I like?"

Ok, so how many of those are Wii exclusive, and how many of them have any sort of replay value? I'm looking through the list, and I see maybe 2 or 3 examples other than the ones I mentioned. My definition of "gamer game" is one that is mostly agreed upon to be great, plus has a lot of replay value. Something that can be enjoyed more than just the first playthrough. Most of the games you mentioned are either not exclusive, remakes of Gamecube games, or have no replay value at all.

So, if it's a non-exclusive game, it drops off the map, then?

Oh, and you're talking to someone who rereads books for fun. Could you define "replay value?"

Yes. YEs it does. If it's non exclusive, it won't attract you to that console.

But the bold truth is that if every company was willing to share their exclusives, then we would have no need for console flamewars. But if they did openly share, we'd have to find out what to play on. And if we only had one system, the prices would likely be sky high.

Competition leads to better prices, but then leads to overly done flame wars. We all are caught up in it.

Good point. I think I'll bow out in that case.

Looking back...I hope I haven't been too impolite. It's kinda bad to berate the flamewars and turn around and participate in them...^^;

 

[thewerebuffalo]

mostly I'd say because developers don't want to make a wii only game because then they need a way to make the motion controls work and to be honest, the motion controls on the wii aren't great. and if they want to make a game for all three platform, then they need to add a bunch of gimmicky motion control to the wii version so that people will buy it. so often they don't make a wii version. thus, most good games don't get made for the wii because the motion control are too limited to make an amazing game.

however, the motion controls are easy enough to make some party games and some other less 'ahem' quality games. thus only casual gamers buy the wii to enjoy its plethora of crappy gimmicky games

 

[Pendragon9]

Good point. I think I'll bow out in that case.

Looking back...I hope I haven't been too impolite. It's kinda bad to berate the flamewars and turn around and participate in them...^^;

Don't worry. I've been guilty of that on several occasions.

 

[squid5580]

Undeniabley certain games aimed at hardcore gamers are difficult but every thing else is pretty easy and did you consider that you infact just sucked at using the wiimote like an arthritic 80 year old.

Which is the question. If I can beat alot of "Hardcore" games on the 360 yet suck with every Wii game how does that make it for casual gamers?