Yes, there is definitely a lot of flame baiting. Luckily for me I'm quite immune to such nonsense. Getting into internet shenanigans as a teen has helped me grow a very tough skin. I am not mad at this. Simply amused at these turn of events.Lightknight said:
I have enjoyed our conversation so far. You bring up good points as a rebuttal, and I can clearly understand where you are coming from.
I agree on this. The only games I ever buy on launch day are Pokemon games. However Nintendo games are notorious for having loving owners and it's so rare for a game to be put used en masses so it gets cheap that you might as well buy the thing new anyway.
Seriously, after all these years Mario Kart for the DS is still basically full priced. The used copies are perhaps maybe $5.00 less. Of course this is me browsing Gamestop, not Amazon, but...I just can't really trust it all that much sometimes. I guess my parents distrust for online retailers- especially customer sold products are rubbing off on me.(what I mean by customer are user based sellers like "aria2885" or something.)
No. I am not concerned. The Wii U will do fine soon. This is the same doom and gloom the 3DS got. And now look at it- it's the go to console right now, and it will certainly be topping the wishlists of many children this holiday season. The Wii U is picking up traction now. Just a couple more releases and the thing is necessarily good to go. Remember, even with all the negative articles, the number one thing stated on them from consumers is that they just need more games. That's really all there is to it; and Nintendo has a lot of games in their library to churn out.
Then again, that's all any console really needs to sell. Games.
It's sentimental value more than anything. I have a perfectly operable Gamecube, so I have no worries about not being able to play those games.
I'm just the kind of person that gets pretty attached to a console. Especially one that has given me a lot of fun. It's hard to let it go.
I am aware that severs cost money. But still, it's clear that they have a base of consumers willing to pay the price of PS+ to get those benefits. Enough so, that they are able to fund those over crowded servers. However they are now saying "pay or lose out" which isn't fair. I payed $60.00 for the game, I should get everything that comes with it. Multiplayer included. You want more PS+ members make the service more attractive. However pay or no online pay- at the end of the day both parties payed money for a full game. It's not right to basically bar out the other party because they aren't giving you extra cash on top of the already hefty price of $60.00
Get ready for beautiful colors, adorable creatures, and facepalm worthy puns. Oh my god the puns.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy those too. However like I said, most that interest me I can easily get on the PC during steam sales (because I'm a cheap fucker)
A wonderful, sadistic game disguised in cute animal pinatas. It's heart breaking playing it though...knowing the current state of the legendary company behind the game.
This is where a lot of people tend to miss the mark. You are right and wrong with this in my opinion. You should rephrase that as the majority of "teen to adult" gamers. You have for the most part ignored the demographic of children. A group of consumers that seemingly is long since forgotten by Sony and Microsoft. Aside from the few little ones that develop an early taste for fine story telling, many of them for years will grow up and enjoy Nintendo's IP's. I've seen it myself with little siblings that come over to parties. They practically enjoy this stuff. Then, as they get older, this is around the time they get two consoles- One Nintendo the other Sony/Microsoft, or simply move on from Nintendo completely.
The same way you say some people cannot justify buying a Wii U for two titles that interest them is the same thing I can say for Sony and Microsoft.
No kid is really going to enjoy a console when there are only maybe two or three games on it- possibly in it's entire generation that so much as attempts to cater to them. (and isn't 1st rate shovel ware like Petz) Looking at the choice between a Nintendo console and the other two; Nintendo and PC would give those kids more bang for their buck on that front. Little Big Planet was a start in the kids demographic, but I feel since then they kind of loosened their grip on it, and they don't have Spyro or Crash to back them up either which were kid title favorites on the early PS2.
Shovelware is very easy for even average consumers to shift over. Along with being a shitty game, they also have shitty covers and people don't buy things with crappy art. Of course, that's the price you pay for having a wildly popular handheld device.
I'm not sure why a game such as Nino Kuni is not on the Nintendo systems. I guess there was a deal somewhere in there. Or perhaps a port is on the way? Idk.
Nintendo has a large cache of IP's to utilize from. Of course they put out their big sellers first. Then after that they focus on the more niche titles. More people are excited for the Fire Emblem X Shin Megami crossover than the Zelda game. Especially when Fire Emblem (and the help of a good promotion) basically skyrocketed the fanbase to numbers that fandom could only dream of.
That is not to say third party support isn't necessary.
However when I think of Sony and Microsoft, I don't really think about their first party titles. I only think about their third party games.
The only franchise I can exclusively attach to Sony in a mental sense is Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, and Little Big Planet.
For Microsoft it is only Halo. Other then that, it keeps it's most popular image as a CoD, Madden machine.
Many reasons for that. Some others have touched upon. An interesting thing I heard is because competing with Nintendo in the game department is hard. I agree. It is one hell of a *****. I think the thing they should utilize is standing out form the crowd. Make your game look just as interesting as Nintendo's. Rayman Legends stands out to me, and many kids, and I feel with the right amount of ads on the Nintendo platform it will be able to stand up to Nintendo's first party titles.
[qouteIf you've got a limited amount of money and can only pick one console, that's a serious issue.[/quote]
But it all comes down to preference. I have a feeling the Wii U will be facing a lot more issues this coming season than the Wii U has ever witnessed.
Earthworm Jim is mainly the artist this time around. I think it's other people who are focused on the actual production. Especially considering the fact that this was a game that was going to be PC exclusive anyway. Meaning they had no interest in making a Wii U game. Nintendo simply requested. They could of said no, but they agreed to it instead.(and managed to fund the money in quick order to develop for it.)
You need to specify on the "prove themselves bit". I didn't say that only if you got contacted by Nintendo go they make games on the Wii U. I said that for games that have generated a lot of buzz Nintendo has personally contacted them and requested their game be on their system.
No one really knows what is going on in that front. Especially if it's in their own home country. However someone brought up in the comments section is that one of the reasons why this may be happening is because many Japanese indie games tend to either be blatant hentei games, or hentai games disguised as appropriate games that Nintendo doesn't find out until after they sink their time into reviewing those games. Again that is all speculation.
I guess? I really don't know anymore. Different reasons for different studios. Not directed at you, but I'm just tired of going back and forth on third party support roulette. Why did this go on that system and so on.
It's not the argument that you presented is wrong or anything...I'm just...really tired of all this.
Whatever the reason so be it.
This is Nintendo's case to solve.
Coming from someone who say some of my favorite IP's of all time get destroyed by this nonsense...it is TOO MUCH of the gaming industry that is indulging in this idiocy. This would be a fucking okay if dumb studios do dumb things and get shut down.
However they don't keep their filthy hands to themselves. They buy out other studios that were good to keep them alfoat, and sink them dead in the water first before they go down. Or the good IP's they do have just become husks of what they once were before being taken out the back.
EA and Mass Effect. That is all I'm going to say on that matter.
App games have already proven themselves to think up quite a few clever things when they need to. However what is to say for the opposite?
I'm curious as to what new things your talking about. I'm not trying to be condescending. I'm genuinely curios. The only thing I can think of is the PS move.
Just because it incorporates existing tech doesn't mean it's not innovative. It can open a lot of doors for devs who want to try out different ways to utilize gameplay on two screens for a console. Especially if they were unable to do those things on the handhelds.
This is something I will always disagree with you on.
Yes. It will be a very sad day if Nintendo drops out of the home console market, and it would affect me because now the only choice I will have is between the Sony console with same old gameplay mechanics, or the Xbox with same old gameplay mechanics with no alternative to try something out unless they want to.(Which I'm betting on, they won't most of the time.)
When Nintendo has free reign to do what they want with their own hardware, they can make it to the utmost quality. You cannot guarantee that Nintendo will always be successful in their "gimmicks" if they were on PC with that same amount of polish. People will probably ignore it just as much as if they did on their consoles. And since they don't HAVE to use it in order to play their games, I can only imagine in short time they will soon just become the same as the other two. The only difference is that they cater to kids.
Gamers aren't going to benefit from that. At least, not the ones that enjoy finding new ways to play games. The only people who will benefit are those who have been crying for Nintendo to doom themselves sine the N64 era just so they can play their games on the system of their choice.
and considering how nobody equally demands this from Sony and Microsoft- really makes me shake my head.
You need to look at it at a different perspective. A perspective that is starting to become lost on this generation. Mario Kart is a success in software sales alone. However ever it is even more of a success when you consider the fact that most people who own a Wii owns Mario Kart. Same can be said for Mario Kart Wii U. It is a success (hypothetically, the game hasn't come out yet) because most people who own the Wii U owns the game. When more Wii U sales come in, then that means more Mario Karts will be sold. Which means if/when the Wii U reaches a base of 20 million(or whatever high number you want to substitute) they can safely predict that 18 million of those Wii U's will have a Mario Kart with them.
That's pretty optimistic if you ask me.
