Why is there less women into mainstream video games?

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Chemical Alia

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How do you know they don't? I mean, I doubt anyone would look at me and think "now THAT person plays video games" as there's really nothing about my appearance that would suggest that I did, despite the fact that I work at a game studio. The only time I wear game-related t-shirts is as pajamas or to the gym if the rest of my clothes are in the wash. The default assumption is probably that females don't play games, unless they make it obvious somehow. I've been asked numerous times by strangers in the elevator in my work building what I'm doing going up to "that" floor when I hit the 12 button, I think it genuinely surprises people.

And online, it's pretty much the same. You're male by default to most people unless you state otherwise somewhere.
 

abdul

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Why would they choose mainstream over the excellent girl games you can find over the internets?

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/mm8chp/hey-ash--whatcha-playin---girl-games
 

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Girl With One Eye said:
Because we're all far too busy doing our makeup ? Honestly I actually find it harder finding men who play games. I would actually love to have a boyfriend who shared this interest with me.
That shouldn't be too difficult.. lol. Tons of guys play videogames.
 

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King Aragorn said:
I like to think teh stigma of ''Women don't play video games, it's a boys thing!'' is still somewhat around.
I couldn't agree more I would also say that it has to do with the reactions some players on Xbox live have.
 

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Well, if you want to make it a gender issue... I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying this, but I'd say because women in general tend to be less competitive by nature than men are, and thus are less drawn to competitive activities like hardcore gaming. Not that there aren't lots of exceptions as other escapists have pointed out.
 

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I can't understand why considering the community is soooo welcoming.

Phasmal said:
Because the community is a big pile of shit and seeks to drive new (and especially female) members out.
Duh.

Slightly more seriously now:

There are women about, we just don't tell you we are women.
I mean, when is the right time?
I remember carrying an entire dungeon group thanks to an incompetent tank, and just before I left the healer says to me: `Good job, son. Need more guys like you about!`. Going `actually I'm a woman` would have been pretty needless at that point. I'm always getting stuff like that.
You are assumed male unless you say otherwise, and if you do say otherwise, why did you? Attention whore.

EDIT: Also, in real life there is a certain stigma to playing games and I find it hard to recognize other lady geeks. I am hesitant to reveal my nerd to people I don't know well. All ladygamers should just wear gaming T-shirts, to identify to each other.
All of this.

Gaming shirts are so unflattering though! :D
 

jackinmydaniels

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I know there's a lot of girls in my town that play video games, they just don't seem to play them as frequently as men do.
 

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Phasmal said:
Because the community is a big pile of shit and seeks to drive new (and especially female) members out.
Duh.

Slightly more seriously now:

There are women about, we just don't tell you we are women.
I mean, when is the right time?
I remember carrying an entire dungeon group thanks to an incompetent tank, and just before I left the healer says to me: `Good job, son. Need more guys like you about!`. Going `actually I'm a woman` would have been pretty needless at that point. I'm always getting stuff like that.
You are assumed male unless you say otherwise, and if you do say otherwise, why did you? Attention whore.

EDIT: Also, in real life there is a certain stigma to playing games and I find it hard to recognize other lady geeks. I am hesitant to reveal my nerd to people I don't know well. All ladygamers should just wear gaming T-shirts, to identify to each other.
I guess it depends on the type of game you are playing. This is very prevalent in MMOs, but less prevalent in more tactical games. Even then though it is still a fairly common practice. I try to make it a habit to say guy/gal, sir/maam, she/he, or her/him. Then the person in question will usually give me a gender to use, but even then I have such a horrible memory I still end up using the female/male thing. Most of the servers I play on though are dedicated to making the environment as comfortable as possible for everyone (man, woman, transsexual, gay, straight, bi, or abstinent) so it isn't as big of an issue.

I actually see the issue with a woman announcing that she is a woman and then being treated with preference to be a larger issue in the gaming community (well that and people not believing in women). This is counter productive and will generally cause whomever it is to leave the server. That is why we have our rules in the OTC.
 

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You also dont see a lot of girls playing with Action Mens and you dont see a lot of boys playing with Barbies, etc...

Games are still very heavily marketed for the male gender so while there are women interested in mainstream gaming its kind of obvious of why there are less then men.
 

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The subject of the thread has merit. It's a pretty good question, actually. And it seems true to a lot of male gamers. My brother has played Xbox Live for 8 years, he has met 1 female gamer and shes a good friend of his. Compared to like the 300+ male friends on his friend list, there ya go.

Sure, girls are out there, but they're hiding/anonymous. If girls want to be accepted as gamers too, they need to stop hiding and being too scared to come out and socialize. Not everyone is a creeper, and even guys have to deal with creepy people online, you know.

I've been playing MMORPGs for... 12 years? 13? And I've known maybe 2-3 women who would talk on mic. I've known HUNDREDS of men in comparison.

It's easy to see why women aren't taken seriously in video games, and why the general consensus is that they don't exist. They're all pretending to be men or simply not sharing in socialization out of fear.

Now, I understand it sucks when you meet "those" kind of guys online, but ladies, you're missing out on decent friends!
 

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This is more of a general thing but when you want to find a reason for something in human behaviour it's almost always not only one reason. Why does it got to be how you're raised or evoloution or societal expectations. Can't it be a huge number of reasons in a mix of percentages we don't know. Why are we so adamant that it's one thing kind of sounds like a political agenda to me.
 

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krazykidd said:
Because they don't want to. There no "reason" as to why women don't play games . There's nothing stopping them . They just rather do other things . Just like how not all guys play games , because they prefer to do something else .
I like this answer. I have a friend who didn't get it when I didn't want to play Magicka during the free weekend, purely because I didn't want to spend my time that way, with a game I had no interest in, which he highly recommended. I still don't think he gets my thinking in that respect...I think it's just as simple as being my autonomy.

But reading OP's post, it seems like the post ends abruptly, without reaching any kind of conclusion. It's like he's trying to convince somebody who isn't there to reply. It doesn't seem that OT, as it seems to misdirect itself towards a thread about "video games as art", rather than I thread about "This: Why not?".

Anyway; I digress.

People just like to spend time the way they want to. That's what makes them individual. They may prefer smaller games for iPhone because they're cheap, always around when you need them, and all they have time for. I think it's fair enough. I LOVE Bioshock, but when I recommend it to people, I don't hound them. Even in the case of multiplayer I'll be like "Hey I'm playing this game, It's really fun..." tell them why, and If they don't seem interested, I'll move on. I probably won't even ask them to play it unless they seem to have already gotten invested in the idea themselves.
 

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probably because for a long time the hobby was (and still is) vastly disproportionately young males, which leads to producers catering to their consumers, which leads to games that most women have a hard time engaging with
 

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Many games are made with 15-30 males as a deliberate target demographic. This doesn't actually stop women playing them. My social circle isn't large or random enough to be a valid statistical source, but fondness for first-person shooters (the genre I see most strongly associated with males) looks fairly evenly distributed to me. All it really means is that women playing those games tend to be ignored. Also, admitting that one is a girl in some online environments is a bit like putting up a sign that says 'Hello, I would like the attention of every asshole in a fifty mile radius, please'.

Frankly, if I had to put up with the crap that a lot of girls online seem to have to deal with, I'd be really appreciative of a game that allowed me to blast an endless legion of monsters and maniacs in to a fine mist.
 

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Girl With One Eye said:
Because we're all far too busy doing our makeup ? Honestly I actually find it harder finding men who play games. I would actually love to have a boyfriend who shared this interest with me.
So um, two things: where have you been all of my life and what are your plans for the weekend?

You've just reminded me of my circumstance. I've always wanted to meet a nice lady who shared similar interests in gaming. If you lived in the states, I would definitely try to get to know you over a few sessions of a Tales of game.

(Disclaimer: Where I'm from women who are strangers or not your friend tend to act offended when a guy tries to be friendly, usually because they automatically assume ulterior motives. This was not meant to offend.)

On Topic
There are more women than you think that are apart of the gaming culture. Sure, the medium is largely marketed to young males and that does deter some women but I think we have far too many games that are diverse and varied so that is quickly becoming a none issue. Another deterrent that few people think of, myself included, is that some women feel the need to suppress or hide their interests in games because of other women. A girl I used to work with at gamestop said as much. During her high school years, most of her friends were girls and she felt that she could not express her interests in gaming around them.
 

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King Aragorn said:
I like to think teh stigma of ''Women don't play video games, it's a boys thing!'' is still somewhat around.
Proof: Every thread on the Escapist that has mentioned sex or gender EVER.
 

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Because in their view they have better things to be doing with their time?

Lets not over think this...
 

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It might have to do with these two things:

1. Most gaming controls are a bit too complex for beginners in general.

2. Mainstream games require a lot of time and attention investment that a lot of women I know don't have.

As a female that's been gaming since I was a toddler, I've only found controls getting easier as I get older and I'm used to organizing time for games. Other girls my age that don't, typically spend more time doing other things and don't know where to put games into their daily timetable.

"I can't, I'm going shopping for makeup with my aunt and tomorrow I've going to meet my friends at the cafe in town."

"It's been so long since I last played "Call of the Warfighter's" tutorial level, I've forgotten how to play it again!
I don't think it's for me."

Using my mum as a basis, since she has tried playing new games a lot of times and enjoys them when she has a chance, a fixed camera angle is usually a plus. 3D orientations confuse her easily. She can't get the hang of controlling the camera and the character at the same time.
My dad sometimes has the same problem, but he will still figure it out after a while (He REALLY likes Halo). She can't.

Out of the games she likes, most of them are 2D because there's no extra plane to worry about. Angry birds on Android, Peggle for Xbox 360, Bejeweled on a PC, Bubble Bobble for PS1, Casper for PS1, Pitfall for Gameboy, The Fish-Catching minigame in Jak and Daxter for PS2... She always enjoys them even if she fails because at least she can figure out why she failed and how she can improve on what she did. Even after she's put the game down. She can go back to it and still remember how to play because she doesn't have to worry about the 3D aspect. Even if the games themselves were rendered in 3D, as long as they played in 2D there was no problem.

And there is evidence to back this up. Women during scientific studies have, on average, had greater difficulty navigating 3D spaces than men do.
It's overwhelming and a large barrier to overcome in an industry focussing more on graphics and less on gameplay.

If every room looks too much the same, if there's no in-game map or compass, if there's no identifiable landmarks to remember so that you know you're not going in the wrong direction but a tonne of identical hi-def trees, it would confuse most folks anyway. But I'd imagine newcomer girl and women gamers would have a harder time with it.

And that's if they've got the time to play for long enough to learn the environments in between looking after kids/pets, going to work, doing housework, buying groceries, etc.
Even though a lot of these tasks are shared nowadays, there's still a lot of women doing most of the main jobs around the house as well as childcare and work. Good luck trying to follow a story with all that going on! Add going places with friends and family to that list and suddenly women not playing COD as religiously makes a lot more sense.

Most games that women like tend to be pick up and play. Something you can learn in a minute, put down in two and then pick up again when you're done with what you needed to do. It's another reason why my mum likes them. She is mostly bedbound thanks to her spine but still cooks the dinner most days, washes dishes, cleans up and organises appointments as well as manage her pain medication and other things.
She couldn't play FFIX even if she tried with her many distractions. If she's reading the screen and suddenly it's 6pm and time to put the chilli con carne in the slow cooker, she won't be able to just stop playing. She'd have to find the next save point. But before she's got to do that she has to either skip what's being said and never read it again or hold out for another hour until it's all finished.

It just makes sense that there aren't as many women playing games. It's nothing to do with marketing. There aren't enough female game testers and developers to say where they or their friends might find it more difficult to keep playing. When those problems are addressed, then games will be more accessable to female gamers.
 

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Mainstream gaming isn't dominated by women because the games aren't marketed towards women, simple as that. And, quite honestly, I can see problems doing it. "Girly games" are by no stretch of the imagination "hardcore", most current "hardcore" games can't really be marketed towards women in any way other than including what is basically assumed a "token female character" ... RPGs are the genre that can do it - and the western ones focus on dragonslayer or apocalyptica - not exactly appealing, one would assume. JRPGs on the other hand quickly become quirky. Which seems to work, even though it seems a little too over-the-top sometimes.

I guess where I'm headed with this is: It requires much more imagination in writing and design to create an appealing hardocre game marketed towards women, compared to a generic male-targeting game with a couple of twists. It's a sad state of affairs, but it could be doable, if anyone were to actually develop a large variety of successful games in that regard.

airrazor7 said:
Girl With One Eye said:
Because we're all far too busy doing our makeup ? Honestly I actually find it harder finding men who play games. I would actually love to have a boyfriend who shared this interest with me.
So um, two things: where have you been all of my life and what are your plans for the weekend?

You've just reminded me of my circumstance. I've always wanted to meet a nice lady who shared similar interests in gaming. If you lived in the states, I would definitely try to get to know you over a few sessions of a Tales of game.
100% this. Well, except for the "in the States" part :p Finding remotely like-minded single women in the vicinity who are into gaming beyond Facebook is a pretty hard task. Heck, I commute between two cities and I don't get anywhere with it.