I would buy it...but it's so expensive. Instead I'll just wait until the anime catches up to the story in the manga and watch the fansubs. It's gonna take awhile though.
Why, manga publishers, WHY??????
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Um... as much as it is nice to be able to just go on and read the manga, it was a free reading, and thus technically illegal and not beneficial to the publishers. There is nothing wrong with what they did.
Strange, though... I've never seen Japanese manga or anime publishers to give a crap about stateside sales. Usually they simply don't care. Interesting.
Strange, though... I've never seen Japanese manga or anime publishers to give a crap about stateside sales. Usually they simply don't care. Interesting.
Acutely I'm in the minority in that I buy all my manga, so good for the publishers. I kind of get pissed off when I talk to other manga fans and they tell me they think there doing a service to manga artists by read fan translated scans, or are just too impatient to wait a bit. Published versions are better translated, have translated sound effects, and have the nice feeling of paper.
It is completely within their legal rights to do so. Publishers own the rights to that manga, and you reading it for free is piracy.kjh242 said:
And come on. One major site goes down, you won't be able to read your manga? A simple google search will fix that.
But in manga you get pretty pictures. And these pretty pictures can be used to display action scenes. And in these action scenes you can have people getting shot and stabbed. And this shooting and stabbing results in a lot of blood flowing. And we all know that the Blood God is Khorne. And we all know that Khorne is awesome. So by extension, manga is awesome.Kiju said:
It probably has something to do with the high amount of traffic that sites like OneManga were generating compared to how much manga was actually being sold. When you have a series getting hundreds of thousands of views in a single month, then going on to sell something like 10,000 copies of a volume in a whole year, it gives you a good idea of the number of tightarses out there.Thaius said:
Well... yes for some, not really for others. If it's been licensed in the U.S., then yes it is basically pirating. However there are some works that get translated that aren't licensed, and probably never will be. Which means that the only way someone outside Japan would ever be able to read it at all would be to read a scanlation. And its kind of hard to argue that the publishers are losing money there when English speakers would never be able to buy it in the first place.Soylent Bacon said:
OP: Yeah, it really sucks that One Manga is basically shutting down.
So is this the whole "try before you buy" arguement all over again but with manga? I personally have bought every manga that I have ever shown slight interest in, most often direct from publishers (cheaper more often than not).
You can't justify it when the people pushing this stuff out aren't happy that there not making money off it and you are reading it for free. There missing out on the action. :O
You can't justify it when the people pushing this stuff out aren't happy that there not making money off it and you are reading it for free. There missing out on the action. :O
Manga piracy won't end here. There are already like 10 other sites that, while are not as good as OneManga, can stil provide the material. And this isn't going to stop scanlators from releasing chapters on their websites either. The only real solution is to get sites like OM to have a pay to read service, where the artists get credit (and pay) for their work. It's not like people haven't realized this states side, Hell, OneManga's even considered this, multiple times. It's the Japanese executives in the manga industry that has realized the frugality and the profit-potential from sites like these.
Although OneManga will close, another site is going to go up soon where creators can allow their work to be viewed for free. I can't rememeber the name of the site though. So basically if there is an artist who agrees that piracy is fine they can let their stuff be read for free. I think I'm talking out of my ass actually but that's what I heard.
The thing that annoys me about this is, Now it is almost impossible for me to read it...
When I found out about it being shut down, my friend told me that we could probably just get a subscription to Shonen Jump or whatever. But as it turns out, no, I can't. They don;t ship to Australia... So now I have to say goodbye to all of the Manga I had grown attached to reading...
When I found out about it being shut down, my friend told me that we could probably just get a subscription to Shonen Jump or whatever. But as it turns out, no, I can't. They don;t ship to Australia... So now I have to say goodbye to all of the Manga I had grown attached to reading...
the publishers have been cracking down, that's why. that's also why dattebayo stopped subbing bleach, they've been making it harder and harder to get away with distributing scanlations and subs.
They didn't change shit. They've never supported manga sites like One Manga. The only thing that is different now is that they have the ability to stop themkjh242 said:
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Correction: they haven't known about it till now. Scanslations were always illegal and never condoned, just manga itself is pretty obscure, thus the online translation and distribution of it will be at least as obscure. The problem is online reading sites exert great effort at breaching obscurity and profit from the distribution of other people's intellectual property (ad revenue). Which means it was only a matter of time before someone noticed.kjh242 said:
The real issue is a bunch of greedy retards (read: anyone with an online reading site) have endangered the entire fan translation community with this bullshit. Either every online reading site instantly complies or they prompt further legal action against everyone involved. That means everyone whos ever scanned, edited, or translated a piece of manga.
I do understand why the major companies pushed back in terms of legal reasoning (see the video Hubilub posted). However, it does strike me as odd that they would strike back so heavily.
Whether or not the site itself was illegal, which was clearly the case, many publishers at least tolerated the sites due to the fact that it was, for the most part, free advertising and the sites were receptive to publishers concerns, at least stateside. Many smaller companies, such as Dark Horse and Yen, could, at any time, request that a series be pulled down due to local publication and the series would be pulled down fairly quickly. The only series that the sites didn't follow this on were major series, such as Naruto, Bleach, Detective Conan/Case Closed, and One piece. It also gave a bit of a foothold for more obscure series in the english market and can help give that series enough of a sales base to jusify a official import.
I personally like the idea of a subscription site to take it's place, but the question is how fast the imports would be in that case. For major series, it couldn't be more than three months, otherwise you still have a lot of scanlators filling the hole in the market. There's also the issue of series volume, as sites like OneManga (and a handful of sites I am not going to mention) host 2-3000 series, and pay-services would need to be on that level of volume to justify the cost of a subscription.
Still, it was unfortunate to see OneManga shut down after they worked so hard to make it into the site it had become.
Whether or not the site itself was illegal, which was clearly the case, many publishers at least tolerated the sites due to the fact that it was, for the most part, free advertising and the sites were receptive to publishers concerns, at least stateside. Many smaller companies, such as Dark Horse and Yen, could, at any time, request that a series be pulled down due to local publication and the series would be pulled down fairly quickly. The only series that the sites didn't follow this on were major series, such as Naruto, Bleach, Detective Conan/Case Closed, and One piece. It also gave a bit of a foothold for more obscure series in the english market and can help give that series enough of a sales base to jusify a official import.
I personally like the idea of a subscription site to take it's place, but the question is how fast the imports would be in that case. For major series, it couldn't be more than three months, otherwise you still have a lot of scanlators filling the hole in the market. There's also the issue of series volume, as sites like OneManga (and a handful of sites I am not going to mention) host 2-3000 series, and pay-services would need to be on that level of volume to justify the cost of a subscription.
Still, it was unfortunate to see OneManga shut down after they worked so hard to make it into the site it had become.
I wouldn't actually mind paying for manga if it was offered to us properly.
In Australia we get royally screwed. Not only do the most recent chapters take over a year to be released in english, but with an average manga volume price of $20AUD (~$18.5 USD), and bad translations, can they really blame us for downloading scanlations?
If we could pay for an online subscription of specific manga, or even full manga magazine updates, such as Shonen Jump, that were legal, translated well, released within a short period of time after the original japanese release (less than a week), and cost a reasonable amount like the Japanese Shonen Jump, I would be more than happy to buy it. And i know most other manga readers would too.
In Australia we get royally screwed. Not only do the most recent chapters take over a year to be released in english, but with an average manga volume price of $20AUD (~$18.5 USD), and bad translations, can they really blame us for downloading scanlations?
If we could pay for an online subscription of specific manga, or even full manga magazine updates, such as Shonen Jump, that were legal, translated well, released within a short period of time after the original japanese release (less than a week), and cost a reasonable amount like the Japanese Shonen Jump, I would be more than happy to buy it. And i know most other manga readers would too.